Spence's Obi-Wan Kenobi (V3 Released) — Page 7

Broom Kid said:

I’m leaning toward maybe keeping the quiet bit while they stand off, then pivoting to the original music when Kenobi says “I will do what I must”.

I gotta say, I really like what you have as you’ve posted it. I don’t think the original music works that well there, how you’ve mixed that version of Battle of the Heroes maybe only needs the tiniest of nudges downward at most, and probably not even that. It’s not a subtle piece (it isn’t a subtle fight) and the fact you’ve managed to make it fit this sequence as well as it does is quite a feat.

For what its worth, as a person who REALLY keys into the music choices and music editing, I think you’ve done a good job here with your choices, and how you’re executing them.

I appreciate that, but my concern is mainly that I won’t 100% sell it and it’ll feel too “fanedity” which I desperately try to avoid on all my projects. I always want people to not be able to spot the magic trick.

So if I can’t do it in a way that’s completely seamless and unnoticeable, I try to go down a different path.

I appreciate that, but my concern is mainly that I won’t 100% sell it and it’ll feel too “fanedity”

I get that, and again - that’s a thing 99% of all fan-editors DON’T do, so that your concern is there is why your edits work as well as they do, and I wish more (WAY more) folks were willing to apply that level of discernment. But as someone who looks at these things with that eye (and ear) I think you HAVE cleared that bar in this instance.

Broom Kid said:

I appreciate that, but my concern is mainly that I won’t 100% sell it and it’ll feel too “fanedity”

I get that, and again - that’s a thing 99% of all fan-editors DON’T do, so that your concern is there is why your edits work as well as they do, and I wish more (WAY more) folks were willing to apply that level of discernment. But as someone who looks at these things with that eye (and ear) I think you HAVE cleared that bar in this instance.

Having done the process of completely redoing SFX a few times, I don’t blame Spence for ditching this idea at all.

DominicCobb said:

Broom Kid said:

I appreciate that, but my concern is mainly that I won’t 100% sell it and it’ll feel too “fanedity”

I get that, and again - that’s a thing 99% of all fan-editors DON’T do, so that your concern is there is why your edits work as well as they do, and I wish more (WAY more) folks were willing to apply that level of discernment. But as someone who looks at these things with that eye (and ear) I think you HAVE cleared that bar in this instance.

Having done the process of completely redoing SFX a few times, I don’t blame Spence for ditching this idea at all.

I still have nightmares about the lab shootout in Mi-2

Broom Kid said:

I appreciate that, but my concern is mainly that I won’t 100% sell it and it’ll feel too “fanedity”

I get that, and again - that’s a thing 99% of all fan-editors DON’T do, so that your concern is there is why your edits work as well as they do, and I wish more (WAY more) folks were willing to apply that level of discernment. But as someone who looks at these things with that eye (and ear) I think you HAVE cleared that bar in this instance.

Honestly, I watched that Patterson cut, and it was like everything I try to avoid. Obvious cuts, bad audio levels, messy music replacement. I would just hate for my version to feel like that. I think it sort of scared me from doing anything too major.

Obvious cuts, bad audio levels, messy music replacement. I would just hate for my version to feel like that.

I get you. All I’m gonna say is - don’t forget to give yourself some credit.

I’ve found a large preponderance of fan-editors are almost entirely ABOUT giving themselves credit. Like, as in, LITERALLY giving themselves credits. Putting themselves in the credits. It frequently seems like people make edits SOLELY so they can put their names in a credit block, because THAT’S the feeling they want more than anything. The edits are just the means to that thrill.

But what I mean to say is that - just because other people aren’t as good at what they do, doesn’t mean you need to second-guess yourself (or triple-guess yourself) in response. Give yourself some credit for having a good eye and a good ear. Don’t start calling your own senses into question because you see that someone else is getting recognized for subpar work.

I think those three changes were good ones. I think you employed them well. But I also think if you seriously trust your own instincts (aside from whether or not you compare your abilities to that other TikTok cut) and you believe it’s ultimately better to leave it alone… you know what you’re doing.

Broom Kid said:

Obvious cuts, bad audio levels, messy music replacement. I would just hate for my version to feel like that.

I get you. All I’m gonna say is - don’t forget to give yourself some credit.

I’ve found a large preponderance of fan-editors are almost entirely ABOUT giving themselves credit. Like, as in, LITERALLY giving themselves credits. Putting themselves in the credits. It frequently seems like people make edits SOLELY so they can put their names in a credit block, because THAT’S the feeling they want more than anything. The edits are just the means to that thrill.

But what I mean to say is that - just because other people aren’t as good at what they do, doesn’t mean you need to second-guess yourself (or triple-guess yourself) in response. Give yourself some credit for having a good eye and a good ear. Don’t start calling your own senses into question because you see that someone else is getting recognized for subpar work.

I think those three changes were good ones. I think you employed them well. But I also think if you seriously trust your own instincts (aside from whether or not you compare your abilities to that other TikTok cut) and you believe it’s ultimately better to leave it alone… you know what you’re doing.

Sidebar, but honestly I’m kind of pissed that guy is going viral because it puts too many eyes on the rest of us. OT and FE are super careful about piracy and are too niche for Hollywood to care too much about what we are doing. Then this dude comes along and now it’s all eyes on fanedits, even though he isn’t part of our community.

On top of that, his is probably the first fanedit many people are seeing, and it’s not particularly great. We aren’t getting new fans, we are getting more scrutiny, and all this guy is doing is promoting himself on TikTok.

He is, for lack of a better term, a clown.

Excited for V3, I like the way you think. That viral tiktok guy cut was… yikes.

cjh808 said:

Excited for V3, I like the way you think. That viral tiktok guy cut was… yikes.

He had some cool ideas but he’s acting like he made a masterpiece… He did a video the other day saying he was willing to let Disney put his cut on Disney+.

SpenceEdit said:

cjh808 said:

Excited for V3, I like the way you think. That viral tiktok guy cut was… yikes.

He had some cool ideas but he’s acting like he made a masterpiece… He did a video the other day saying he was willing to let Disney put his cut on Disney+.

It’s almost like the people who made pretentious fanedits of The Last Jedi where they would change the core structure and events of the movie with obvious cuts and badly inserted voice overs and then claiming their work superior calling everyone the filmmaker of the film incompetent, as if they knew anything about the filmmaking process, there’s this sense of entitlement and ego that’s so pathetic and it gives the fanedit community a bad name.

krausfadr said:

I pulled the quote below off Patterson’s website today:

[beginning of quote]
“Thank you all for your interest in my cut of Obi-Wan Kenobi. For now, the movie is no longer available online and instead will only be shared to “VIP” guests upon request. I’m sorry if you weren’t able to view it. If anyone has a contact at Disney, let them know that I would 100% let them have the cut for free if they wanted to put it on Disney Plus under some sort of “Legends” tab for Star Wars. I just truly want to share this work with people and I ask for nothing in return. Thank you.”
[end of quote]

Now I have not watched the Patterson cut. The idea that Disney would want someones edit is pretty delusional. Sure it’s happened in the past with some quirky directors but this is Disney. And this is apparently a mediocre edit.

Let the countdown to the cease and desist order begin.

It’s all just self publicizing TikTok BS. I appreciate that he put the effort in but this attempt to capitalize on it is kind of sad.

I will say I thought his change of having the inquisitors show up after Kenobi meets Nari was cool and well handled. I have no interest in copying it, as I think it’s stronger to introduce the villains and the concept of Inquisitors right off the bat, but he did a good job of it.

My favorite change by the TikTok guy was that the inquisitors killed the Jedi right at the bar. It tightened that story thread considerably (or made it possible to tighten).

vranir said:

My favorite change by the TikTok guy was that the inquisitors killed the Jedi right at the bar. It tightened that story thread considerably (or made it possible to tighten).

Yeah that was very cool.

So, here is the more “subtle” version of including Battle of the Heroes. It’s just the main motif, one time. Then the music goes back to normal.

Personally, I could go either way with this. I like the idea of it being over the whole battle, but I also like the idea of just giving it a nod in the appropriate place. I also feel like the subtle version might match overall with how I’ve handled legacy music throughout the rest of the edit.

I need opinions! This is the last piece of the puzzle. Once this is figured out I can get my final V3 out in the wild.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13l7VZ9-cQb4-RaqQpaT5Uo7ZLTG37iXt/view?usp=sharing

I think this version is great, it brings a faint tragedy to the moment and adds to the purgatory-like feel of the planet

Wooooooow
Spence, thats a pure perfection! <33

IMO this works much better than putting different music over the whole scene. Musically, subtle nods to past themes are more powerful than inserting a copy of the original score. Michael Giacchino used a similar approach in Rogue One. It was his score, but he had references to original motifs that he mixed in with it.

Looking forward to V3!

I like this subtle hint. Leaving the rest of the score intact is good; having new music for a new movie keeps things fresh. The callback themes keep star wars connected.

If possible, I would like to hear Vader’s subtle theme as he exits the ship. Musically, they hinted at it (by using the loud horns) but they didn’t finish the theme. It was a tease that made you finish the notes in your head, but it felt off.

Rtiller said:

I like this subtle hint. Leaving the rest of the score intact is good; having new music for a new movie keeps things fresh. The callback themes keep star wars connected.

If possible, I would like to hear Vader’s subtle theme as he exits the ship. Musically, they hinted at it (by using the loud horns) but they didn’t finish the theme. It was a tease that made you finish the notes in your head, but it felt off.

I agree that they hint at it, but I think I’m going to leave that one only because there’s already 3 instances of the imperial march throughout the movie, and I don’t want to overdo it. It also let’s the focus be on the battle of the heroes theme being added.

Yeah I think that works better. And personally I thought the only Imperial March you needed was when we first see Vader in his castle. The other usages felt kind of extraneous to me personally, but I don’t dislike them either.

So, I think I’ve decided to stick with just the hint at the song. HOWEVER, I will be rendering out a version of the scene with Battle of the Heroes, which will be free for anyone to download and use as they would like.

I have on final test clip I want to show everyone. I’m very happy with it.

Basically, in any story like this, there’s always a moment where the hero “Answers the call”. They are finally convinced to go out on the adventure and propel us into the next act of the story. For Luke, it’s returning to Ben after seeing the farm destroyed. For Obi-Wan, it’s Bail convincing him and going to get his saber.

However, in the show, there’s another answer the call moment right after, where he hesitates before deciding to get on the transport ship. I originally cut the sabers scene so there was just one, but I realize now I cut the wrong one.

So here is a bit of an editing tweak to that “digging up the sabers” scene to make it stand out and feel like the big moment. It needs a bit more audio work, but you get the idea.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JP22u8I75d-sb_w7O-lTcd2g7r8cieFG/view?usp=sharing

Octorox said:

Yeah I think that works better. And personally I thought the only Imperial March you needed was when we first see Vader in his castle. The other usages felt kind of extraneous to me personally, but I don’t dislike them either.

Funny enough, I cut the one when he arrives at the village. So it’s just the first intro to him at the castle, and the bit at the end after the duel.