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Sometimes do you feel like you should give up on the cause?

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I mean, I won't tell you some of the horror I saw at the other sites. "Hayden replacing Shaw in the Helmet scene is a must!", "why, Sebastian Shaw sucks, Hayden is Anakin not that fat old embarassing man that was him". "Is there anyway to correct the Leia/Mother speach in Jedi by adding new dialogue. I heard that at all the sites like theforce.net and starwars.com. Also when I did try to spread the word accross these "fans" they really didn't care about the O-OT and said "Watch the original movies on your old VHS copies instead of unesscarly getting it on DVD."

I nearly lost passion in the O-OT and the petition.
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I support Lucas' changes to the 2004 DVD's. I, for one, think Hayden should be there. It does make sense. I actually hope for a few more for the HD-DVD, including a CG Yoda. The changes are his right as a filmmaker. Yoiu have to look at it as the film has taken 30 years worth of drafts to complete. However, I still feel the theatrical versions should be on DVD for the nastolgia to some, and film history.
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I never give up hoping and enjoy the people here more, who actually believe the best version of the classic trilogy are probably the original versions and the more fair assesment of the franchise posted here rather than in my opinion the healther than ever state that most SW posters and boards are saying.

I honestly dont believe the originals will ever be released I feel, Lucas wont do it no matter what petitions, and what some fans want he wants he his "vision" for SW and big fans of his and the younger generation(no insult meant) are happy to let him carry on,

I can see Lucas making major changes on the next set to please his big fans and the younger generation(no insult meant) and I feel the only way is the fan-editors and if people going to get them naughty of **** or downloading the originals are the way for them to be seen ever again which is a shame.


I would not complain if they were good changes he did as long as the originals are available.
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Didn't he claim that the originals would be too costly to restore or something, when asked? I somehow don't think he would lose money over that.
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I personally dont care what George Lucas does with HIS films,he can change,add, modify and delete whatever he wants,and i will still buy that version,they are ALL his films to do with whatever the hell he wants,we dont have to buy them or even watch them,but MOST people will,plus that is what WE(people of OT) are all here to do isnt it,ld to dvd captures of the originals,and the X0 project looks to be damn excellent(the cream of the crop),so why all the complainig we still have the originals,hell if everything(all original versions,of ALL movies)were released on dvd,what the heck would we all do then,all the great capture peeps here and art guys would have absolutely nothing to do,except ADM he will have plenty to do,LOL.
sorry for the rant,but i read SO MANY POSTS,of peeps complaining of this,just download or email for copies of your favorite capture project,and dont watch the new ones,its as simple as that.
just my thoughts
DJ
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Thats a very point DJ Im sure I will buy the new version as will may be some others here. thats the good point though there are versions of classic trilogy out there, it is not as if they fallen off the face of the planet and the versions will get better than ever, but its not the same as an offical release but i suppose anythings better than nothing, I happy with what I have at to mo

Its a bit off saying that about a dead man Shaw but they are probably young and werent alive when he died. but thats the future of Star Wars and it is shame but they wouldnt interested in the original SW in its original state and Lucas has had to go with the times and update it, but not forgetting the fans who in 77 loved and still love the film they saw in 77 not the film not the one most of todays generation want the 2004/2007 version
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Well, I can say that I, and I speak only for myself, am slowly giving up on the cause, for some reasons. First, I'm slowly giving up on everything I ever standed for, like local politics, worldwide politics, environment causes, social causes, and yes even pop-culture related causes such as my wish to stop the Evangelion movie from being produced at all costs or making GL release the O-OT officially. Second, I'm probably seeing that my action is sort of futile, that there are people who have more knoledge about SW or more power to actually do something, and recognizing my insignificance I've learn to stand away from that cause, letting the pros do it. My only real connection to the O-OT cause, nowadays, has been this forum. While I'll forever support it and help in what I can, I'm basically here because I enjoy the topics discussed, I enjoy talking about SW, the light humor on this forum, and the people.

But please do not follow my example, and never lose faith. When you lose all your faith in what you belive, you're dead.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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There are some plans for a Peter Jackson produced live action version of the anime masterpiece Neon Genesis Evangelion, and if Hollywwod produces it, I will forever boycott the north american film industry, for reasons I shall not explain, as you guys would never understand or agree.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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What's the story? I will come the closest to siding with you than all the others.
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It was an interest post by DJ the more I read it, he is right of course about them being Lucas films, but I do wonder in the end how many would not watch the new versions in the end, I know I will buy it surely,but we all have to watch them if not curiosity to discuss praise? and pick at the changes, which means buying them even though we want the originals,
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I'm not buying any new versions of Star Wars. The only reason I bought the 2004 DVDs was because I didn't know additional changes would be on them when I preordered, I didn't know about this place, and didn't know there were places available to get the original trilogy. I just figured I had to get the closest thing as I could to real Star Wars on DVD before my original tapes faded out, and it seemed like the only option at the time. My girlfriend refuses to watch my DVDs, though, because she's so pissed at the changes. But now that I have Star Wars on DVD, I'm not putting up with Lucas's perverted little "vision" anymore.

Anyway, Kev, welcome back. It is a scary, scary Internet world out there indeed, but everyone is entitled to their misguided opinions, I suppose. ^_~

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i hope i dont offend any one with my comments,but there are so many damn near dvd quality captures of the original trilogy now to choose from,who care what GL does with his movies,i dont.
DJ
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Originally posted by: dark_jedi
i hope i dont offend any one with my comments,but there are so many damn near dvd quality captures of the original trilogy now to choose from,who care what GL does with his movies,i dont.
DJ


No you were talking sense...
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I'm disgusted by GL's whoring of his franchise, but it is HIS and he can screw it up any way he wants to. I don't have to like it or buy it and I hope many others feel the same way.

So put me in the 'I don't seriously give a hoot if he ever wants to release the holy golden films that made him the man he is today' club.
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Originally posted by: Wesyeed
I'm disgusted by GL's whoring of his franchise, but it is HIS and he can screw it up any way he wants to. I don't have to like it or buy it and I hope many others feel the same way.

So put me in the 'I don't seriously give a hoot if he ever wants to release the holy golden films that made him the man he is today' club.



I too partly agree but as you said its up to George, but people want Star Wars product and there is big demand and LFL are complying with the supply and demand, i honestly cant believe each new merchandising opportunity the new is one is Transformers - eg Tie Fighters which turn in to robots, Kids will love them and they sell huge amounts, now personally I think somethings amiss if you can have a SW bowling ball and not the O-O-T but thats up to George not any of us.
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I think that from a purely pragmatic point of view, GL has a right to change the movies that he materially owns. HOWEVER, we are not talking about something that is entirely his work. He's meddling with elements of the story that he didn't write - remembering that he did not direct ESB and ROTJ, nor did he write the scripts or screenplays for any of them. He's not merely changing his own work and vision. It is the work and minds of many people that made the Original Trilogy what it is...erm...was.
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No, never give up the cause! DJ is right, we pretty much have what we want. I too don't ever expect GL to release the originals, the guy could even release American Graffiti without digitalizing the sunset. But just go to the list of DVD versions floating around, they may all be "bootllegs" but they are pretty decent. There are tons a 90s kids floating around who saw TPM as their first SW movie, or who saw SW for the first time when it came back to the big screen in 1997. They see it compleatly different from those of us who grew up in the 70s and 80s. Let them have their trilogy, just so long as we have these forums and the reassurance there are others still out there that feel the same way we do about the originals. Never give up the cause, if we do then the bearded flannel man wins.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Never give up the cause, if we do then the bearded flannel man wins.

Realistically speaking, Lucas won back in '77 and has been looking down ever since.

The way I see it, there are two kinds of Star Wars fans. There are the ones who first experienced the saga back before 1997 and cherish the originals for what they are. Either you saw the films in the theater or, like me, you grew up in the mid to late eighties watching them on laserdisc and VHS. These are the fans that for the most part condemn any sort of tinkering to the original versions, and long for them to exist on their DVD shelves. The second type of fans are those who first experienced the saga after 1997. They either aren't familar with or do not cherish the originals the way the others do. These are the fans who say things like "Jar-Jar should be in A New Hope," or "Han Solo looks cooler dodging Greedo's shot!"

What I've come to realize is that people are going to have their opinions about these films and you're hardly ever going to change them. I could sit here and list 50 reasons why the originals should have been released on DVD instead of the SE's. Of course then someone else would come along and list 50 reasons why the SE's deserved to be released instead, and with even more digital alterations.

A lot of people think that Lucas went crazy sometime in the nineties and is only doing this for the money. Who knows his true intentions, but one thing is certain: from the Admiral Ackbar cookie mold to Revenge of the Sith toilet paper, there has always been some obscure items with Star Wars slapped on them.

So would I say I've given up? I guess I have on other people, but not on getting the O-OT on DVD or HD.

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The second type of fans are those who first experienced the saga after 1997. They either aren't familar with or do not cherish the originals the way the others do. These are the fans who say things like "Jar-Jar should be in A New Hope," or "Han Solo looks cooler dodging Greedo's shot!"


I fall into this category, but I certainly don't like the fact that Greedo shot first. It completely messed up Han's character and the purpose of character development on him. I am glad that at least Lucas met us halfway on that and made them shoot at about the same time. As for Jar Jar, I think that anyone over the age of 5 is embarrassed by him. To me, he's there for comic relief in the beginning, so that the series doesn't start out too serious, and be boring. Him being there basically eases you into the serious situation the galaxy is in. It was smart of Lucas to gradually reduce Jar Jar"s part to nothing, as things got more serious. He also did the fans a favor in having Jar Jar the one who let the clones be made, and allow all the problems.
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lucas is the same man who made the prequels, which is why he'll never release the originals, he'd have to change the prequels too. i say dont give up on the cause just on general principle though. by the way, if he cut out greedo shoots first, or jar jar, i think he'd bring alot of people back to his side
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
The second type of fans are those who first experienced the saga after 1997. They either aren't familar with or do not cherish the originals the way the others do. These are the fans who say things like "Jar-Jar should be in A New Hope," or "Han Solo looks cooler dodging Greedo's shot!"


I fall into this category, but I certainly don't like the fact that Greedo shot first. It completely messed up Han's character and the purpose of character development on him. I am glad that at least Lucas met us halfway on that and made them shoot at about the same time. As for Jar Jar, I think that anyone over the age of 5 is embarrassed by him. To me, he's there for comic relief in the beginning, so that the series doesn't start out too serious, and be boring. Him being there basically eases you into the serious situation the galaxy is in. It was smart of Lucas to gradually reduce Jar Jar"s part to nothing, as things got more serious. He also did the fans a favor in having Jar Jar the one who let the clones be made, and allow all the problems.


The thing with the Jar-Jar role reduction is that it was obviously done to pander to everyone's hate of the character in TPM. It also goes to show how extraneous Jar-Jar was in the first place. If he was crucial to the plot of either movie (TPM & AOTC), then he probably wouldn't have needed to use fart jokes and other slapstick nonsense to be funny, we probably wouldn't have hated him, and GL would not have been able to reduce the role of Jar-Jar on the fly like that. I suppose it also goes to show how liquid the storylines of the PT were, even during filming.

Just think, if he had planned it all out as ONE concrete story, and divided it into three parts...
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Originally posted by: battlewars
lucas is the same man who made the prequels, which is why he'll never release the originals, he'd have to change the prequels too. i say dont give up on the cause just on general principle though. by the way, if he cut out greedo shoots first, or jar jar, i think he'd bring alot of people back to his side


People may disagree how come we allowed to view Anakin burning and Anakin on a operating table burnt up, and in the same saga not have Han shooting first?


Jar-Jar was a fair idea(dont flame me) in TPM but Lucas overplayed him and help ruin the film, and while some of the stuff was slightly amusing some of it crossed the line and was not funny and ridicolous.
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I have to honest after the events of the last few days, Lucas will never release it now and the reissuing of the 2004 set has confirmed this for me.I am gonna treasure my unofficial sets even more now and still get unofficial versions.

I think something should be done somehow to make people aware the O-O-T is still out there around, abeit un-officialy, through fan editors ebay etc but the sounds of the posts i read elsewhere they dont seem to know this and will hold out for the vain hope rather go for next best thing and some I feel are fooling themselves that Lucas will cave in and dont want to go unoffical even for the slight quality drop ,
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I may have given up on the petition... but I am very excited and enthused with our magnificent fan editors right here on the forum!

WE can make a great OT DVD set on our own. I'm making my "own" Star Wars saga on my computer right now.