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This is my unfinished draft of the ‘Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, retcons, plot holes, and discrepancies…’ thread from mid-late 2021, from before I left here. I’ve done a small number of 'bits ‘n pieces’ on it since then - though it was just something I could never quite find the energy (or quality) needed to complete the descriptions for some of the categories.

It is from the point of view of Star Wars fans (Original Trilogy fans in the main - there wasn’t much else in terms of fan groups from the GFFA at that time) upon seeing the Prequel Trilogy films for the first time - or few times…

This is also part of the ‘George Lucas: Star Wars Creator, Unreliable Narrator & Time Travelling Revisionist’ thread; Category 35.
 

A wise old friend is very kindly finishing this up and also giving it a polish for me - and he’ll do a far better job than I ever could.
 

When that finalised polished-up version of this project is completed & posted up by my wise old mate, it too will appear in the…

Plot Holes, Inconsistencies, Contradictions, Disconnects, Mental Gymnastics, Stretches etc - Original Trilogy vs later Star Wars releases’

…section of the ‘An Index & Help Thread for General Star Wars Discussion’ thread. Until then, I hope this below will suffice…

 

 


 

Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, plot holes, and discrepancies…

 

Inconsistencies, discrepancies, contradictions, disconnects, plot holes, some loose (or lazy) or forgetful writing, retconning, disparities, divergences, contrarieties (no, I didn’t just make that word up!) 😃, continuity errors, mental gymnastics, stretches, canon or lore ‘violations’, nit-picks, dissonance, or simply jarring issues between the two Trilogies - whatever you call them…

 

 

An Introduction…

 
This is just my attempt at creating a centralised thread featuring some of the ‘discrepancies’, ‘take you out of the moment’, ‘that doesn’t make sense’, or ‘WTH?’ moments that many Star Wars fans noticed, questioned, and talked about… upon experiencing the Prequel Trilogy films the first time around (or first few times watching them) long, long ago… in comparison to what had already been previously established in the Original Trilogy films.

Some of the topics listed below can also be found in many older OT•com discussion threads listed under the ‘Plot holes, inconsistencies, contradictions, disconnects, mental gymnastics, stretches etc (the Original Trilogy vs later Star Wars releases)’ section of the ‘An Index & Help Thread for General Star Wars Discussion’ thread. If anyone knows of more threads for inclusion on the subject… please let me know and I’ll add them to that ‘Index & Help’ thread - thank you.
 

Many such older discussions and issues can often become lost over time - or eventually forgotten… which is partly why there are similar topics in sections of the ‘Index & Help’ and other pinned threads on the OriginalTrilogy•com - to be of some sort of help to anyone looking for more such information in the future. Again, this thread is for the on-screen discrepancies between the two Trilogies - upon viewing the Prequel Trilogy films at the time. Some of the ‘disconnects’ featured in here may have been addressed years later… in the various animated shows, recent tv series, novels & comic books, and other ‘canon’ / ‘no longer canon’ material etc - yet these are outside of being addressed on-screen in the actual six films themselves.

Naturally, fans justifiably question why so many of these discrepancies were introduced and exist in the first place… especially given George Lucas wrote the Prequel Trilogy some 20+ years after writing the Original Trilogy… but seemingly George (and the team around him) seemingly forgot to address, fix, remove, or avoid having so many of these ‘disconnects’ / continuity issues before filming began for each of the Prequel Trilogy films.

Each numbered discrepancy below also has little more info / an insight in italics - this is just my take / or a general consensus from on here (or online) over the years - though anyone reading this will likely have their own individual different take or read on these issues (and likely a better one at that too).
 
 

An Index…

  1. Midichlorians
  2. Obi Wan, Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen ageing considerably on Tatooine in 20 years
  3. Why did Luke keep the ‘Skywalker’ surname?
  4. Why did Obi-Wan keep the ‘Kenobi’ surname?
  5. Obi Wan Kenobi: “I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.”
  6. Why hide Luke on Anakin’s home planet of Tatooine? With family Anakin previously knows of, and then live close by?
  7. Many people were dressing like a Jedi in the Original Trilogy - we just didn’t know it (yet)
  8. Why does Obi-Wan continue to dress like a Jedi Knight when he’s in hiding?
  9. Obi-Wan hid Luke on Vader’s home world, with relatives by marriage, (with the surname Skywalker), openly lived nearby (with the surname Kenobi), & dresses like a Jedi. A plan thwarting the Empire looking for him for some 20 years?
  10. Jedi become forgotten about in under 20 years - not even a generation has passed…
  11. “For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights…” - people forgetting the Jedi in their own life-times…
  12. Luke never hears about the actual Jedi fighting for the Republic (or knows what a Jedi is) before Star Wars (1977)
  13. Chewbacca not remembering the Jedi…
  14. Obi-Wan knows Anakin is Darth Vader - but how does Obi-Wan discover Anakin survived their duel on Mustafar?
  15. “He is more machine now, than man… twisted and evil.” How does Obi-Wan know this?
  16. The Clone Wars - or Clone War?
  17. ‘Droid owning’ - Obi Wan. Why doesn’t Kenobi recognize or acknowledge R2? Given their many interactions in the PT…
  18. R2 - and his rocket thrusters (He flies now? He flies now…)
  19. Obi Wan serving Bail Organa in the Clone Wars
  20. “When I first knew him, your father was already a great pilot”…
  21. “He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals. He thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved.”
  22. Obi-Wan Kenobi: “…and he was a good friend.”
  23. Obi-Wan Kenobi: “your father wanted you to have this”? (re the lightsaber)
  24. How can Obi-Wan or Vader have no memory of R2-D2 and C-3PO?
  25. R2-D2 knows who Vader is to Luke. Why does he never tell Luke?
  26. R2 knows Yoda and has met him on many occasions before in the Prequels - so why do they interact like they did in ESB?
  27. R2 also knows Leia is Luke’s sister, but never tells Luke (or vice versa)
  28. “What about that blue one?”
  29. If C-3PO has had his memory wiped how is he able to tell Owen what his first job was?
  30. Darth Vader (Anakin) Built C-3PO
  31. Anakin was not shown as a “good man” in the Prequel Trilogy…
  32. The Jedi don’t seem to care about slavery or injustice in the Prequels (outside of the Republic etc)
  33. Force Speed
  34. Palpatine using a lightsaber
  35. “For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic.”
  36. The Rule of Two
  37. No love For Qui-Gon…
  38. Yoda Trained Obi-Wan
  39. Yoda’s Acrobatics
  40. Jedi Fighting Style In General
  41. Lightsabers; in the OT they are heavy like Excalibur. In the PT they are easily & lightly wielded with one hand.
  42. Yoda decides he must go into exile. No second tries vs the Emperor, saving other Jedi, regrouping, or fighting?
  43. “Your powers are weak, old man.”
  44. “Was I any different when you taught me?”
  45. “That boy is our last hope…”
  46. Leia’s Memories Of Padme
  47. Obi-Wan to Luke in ROTJ: “…you were hidden from your father when you were born…”
  48. In ROTJ Vader says "“Obi-Wan Once Thought As You Do” - in that Vader could be redeemed…
  49. How did Anakin learn the knowledge, and complete the training required, to become a Force Ghost spirit?
  50. Comparative sizes and building times of the two Death Stars…
  51. / Bonus: Stormtroopers were originally clones in the Original Trilogy…

 

 

1. Midichlorians…

This issue is often discussed on here - and there are whole sections dedicated to midichlorians featured in the ‘Index & Help’ threads for ‘Original Trilogy Discussion’, ‘Beyond the Original Trilogy’, and ‘General Star Wars Discussion’.
 

Those threads often chronicle the introduction and invention of the term ‘midichlorians’ when George was writing second draft screenplay for The Phantom Menace. They also included his attempt to later retcon his own quote from 1977 to insert the term ‘midichlorian’ into the origin history of Star Wars - and being caught out be fans in doing so.

(Note; this is not the only time George has attempted such a thing - see the description of Jabba in the original scripts and his attempts to retcon those by altering them to include the line that Jabba was ‘a slug-like creature’ years later - when originally there was no mention of Jabba being a slug-like creature at all).

Some of the posts featured in the linked ‘midichlorian threads’ may also feature some fans’ mental gymnastics and attempts in trying to justify George’s retcons. Along with some claims that the term ‘midichlorians’ was somehow invented by George in 1977 - without any evidence, of course.
 

From a time where someone’s capability in the force had nothing to do with ‘midichlorians’ (or midichlorian counts of “the readings are off the chart - over 20,000!”)

The below conversation is taken from the “Revenge of the Jedi” Story Conference Transcript, July 13 - July 17, 1981; with creator George Lucas, writer Lawrence Kasdan, director Richard Marquand, and producer Howard Kazanjian:-

Kasdan: The Force was available to anyone who could hook into it?

Lucas: Yes, everybody can do it.

Kasdan: Not just the Jedi?

Lucas: It’s just the Jedi who take the time to do it.

Marquand: They use it as a technique.

Lucas: Like yoga. If you want to take the time to do it, you can do it; but the ones that really want to do it are the ones who are into that kind of thing. Also, like karate. Also, another misconception is that Yoda teaches Jedi, but he is like a guru; he doesn’t go out and fight anybody.
 

Indeed, the Force is described…

…in Star Wars '77 as - “The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It’s an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together”.

…in Empire Strikes Back as - “My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us, binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force flow around you. Here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, yes, even between the land and the ship.”

…and just for some additional information - in the 1976 novelisation of Star Wars, written by George Lucas, as - ‘Kenobi nodded. "I forget sometimes in whose presence I babble. Let us say simply that the force is something a Jedi must deal with. While it has never been properly explained, scientists have theorized it is an energy field generated by living things.”’
 

 

 

 

2. Obi Wan, Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen ageing considerably on Tatooine in 20 years.

Due to the timeline of the Prequel Trilogy being set some 20 years before the events of Star Wars (1977) there is an obvious disconnect between the ages of actors playing certain characters who appear in both Trilogies. Namely Uncle Owen, Aunt Beru and Obi Wan - who have retroactively been shown to have aged some 40 years… in just 20 years.
 

 

 

 

3. Why did Luke keep the ‘Skywalker’ surname?

The Prequel Trilogy show Anakin and Obi-Wan to be prevalent Jedi leading up to, and throughout, the Clone Wars. When Obi-Wan, at the end of ROTS, decided to hide Luke on Tatooine… he decided that Luke should have the rather famous name of Skywalker. This despite in the Prequels, Padme and Anakin being married in secret… and so neither twin would have had the paternal surname. To say nothing of it being likely easier, and less auspicious, for Luke to take the surname of Lars - the actual family raising him.
 

 

 

 

4. Why did Obi-Wan keep the ‘Kenobi’ surname?

Somewhat similar to the above category in being a somewhat famous and recognisable Jedi in the Prequels… when in hiding, and having a purge of Jedi taking place throughout the galaxy… surely it was better to change his entire name to something else - instead of simply substituting ‘Obi-Wan’ for ‘Ben’ - yet keeping the surname Kenobi. Maybe a change of clothes too? 😉
 

 

 

 

5. Obi Wan Kenobi: “I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.”

In the Prequels, this is no longer true.

Yoda and Padme both refer to him as ‘Obi-Wan’ after Luke (and Leia) was born in Revenge Of The Sith:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTLh1ruaZY
 

 

 

 

6. Why hide Luke on Anakin’s home planet of Tatooine? With family he previously knows of, and then live close by?

Poor writing (again)… In the OT, Kenobi is just some ‘wizard who’s just a crazy old man’ and was once a Jedi Knight and knew Luke’s father… and Uncle Owen doesn’t want him associating with him to go on ‘some damn-fool idealistic crusade’. After the Prequels we are meant to believe that Kenobi, a wise, intelligent and famous Jedi General - and now an enemy of the Republic, is going to endanger not only himself by having a fairly pathetic disguise, but also endanger Luke by his own close proximity to him? To say nothing of placing Luke in the care of the remaining family of Anakin, who Anakin knows of, has previously met, and on his own home planet…
 

 

 

 

7. Many people were dressing like a Jedi in the Original Trilogy - we just didn’t know it (yet)

Yes, the robes and garments worn by Obi-Wan and others on Tatooine were NOT the uniform of the Jedi… until Lucas decided to do away with the original concept art and other early designs for the Jedi uniform in the Prequel Trilogy (see images below)… Instead Lucas opted to use the same clothing worn by Obi-wan in the OT as the Jedi uniform - meaning Obi-Wan was in hiding on Tatooine for some 20 years… wearing Jedi robes throughout.
 

^ including an early TPM toy design for Obi-Wan in a Jedi uniform

 

 

 

8. Why does Obi-Wan continue to dress like a Jedi Knight when he’s in hiding?

I thought it made sense that the robes he wore were a practical outfit for life on Tatooine… then as discussed above… Lucas abandoned his original concept and early designs for the Jedi uniform in the Prequels, and made the images below the Jedi uniform for the Prequels instead… which makes very little sense and seemingly serves only to visually tie the younger Obi Wan to the older.
 

 

 

 

9. Obi-Wan hid Luke on Vader’s home world, with relatives by marriage, (with the surname Skywalker), openly lived nearby (with the surname Kenobi), & dresses like a Jedi. A plan thwarting the Empire looking for him for some 20 years?

(A culmination of some of the above categories)…

In much of the Original Trilogy Kenobi was portrayed as a ‘mere’ Jedi Knight - one of many Jedi Knights - but now someone who now is keeping watching over Luke… who becomes the secretly hidden son of Vader as the OT progresses. Yet given the events of the Prequels this changes somewhat… Kenobi is a now famous general throughout the Clone Wars, is also often on Coruscant - either at the Jedi Temple or near The Chancellor of the Republic - so is a very recognisable and well-known face and name. At the end of ROTS for Kenobi to take Luke to live with the the Lars family, yet having Luke keep the Skywalker name… likely attracts questions and unwanted attention. So is going by the name ‘Kenobi’ also likely to raise questions and suspicions. Tatooine may be outside the Republic / Empire - but the Empire are looking everywhere for Kenobi and remaining Jedi - as Palpatine states in ROTS: “Every single Jedi, including your friend Obi-Wan Kenobi, is now an enemy of the Republic”.

The Prequels… again changing the in-universe situation and stretching the ‘believability’ of what was already previously established in the Original Trilogy…
 

 

 

 

10. Jedi become forgotten about in under 20 years - not even a generation has passed…

Even with any Imperial propaganda and removal of evidence of Jedi from the galaxy… people wouldn’t forget events in their own life-time. When the Republic became the Empire in the Prequels… it was because Palpatine says the Jedi had lead a failed coup against the Republic - people wouldn’t simply forget about that. Hell, the Jedi were even leading the Republic’s military presence in the Clone Wars, the biggest and most recent intergalactic conflict that lasted for years - as seen when Order 66 was executed - and the Clone Troopers turned on their Jedi commanders…
 

 

 

 

11. “For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights…” - people forgetting the Jedi in their own life-times…

During the Clone Wars, the Jedi were spread far across the galaxy, fighting battles on countless worlds and interacting with hundreds, if not thousands of different species and cultures. More importantly, perhaps, was their integral role in the Galactic Republic. The Jedi served as peacekeepers of the Republic, and often served as diplomats, as seen in The Phantom Menace. However, by the time of the Originals, no-one seems to remember them. Han Solo describes Obi-Wan’s beliefs as a “hokey religion”, yet the Jedi were famous for their power and skill. One of the officers aboard the Death Star makes a similar comment, calling Vader’s connection to the force as a “sad devotion to that ancient religion”, despite the fact that Force-wielders were common not too long ago. What makes this particularly odd is that, judging by how old the officer is, he almost certainly had dealings with Jedi before (give his high status it can be assumed that he has had a long career in either politics or the military, both of would have involved the Jedi). To say nothing of the Jedi being wanted criminals after Order 66 - and being chased and purged across the galaxy.
 

 

 

 

12. Luke never hears about the actual Jedi fighting for the Republic (or knows what a Jedi is) before Star Wars (1977).

Luke may live on Tatooine - outside of the Republic… yet he knows of The Clone Wars (and mentions them to Obi-Wan) - but he has not heard about the Jedi, the prevalent leaders of this galaxy-wide conflict(s), that lasted for years. Really?

Luke has never heard of the Force or the Jedi… while Anakin, being raised a slave on the exact same planet, immediately recognizes the hilt of Qui-Gon’s lightsaber. Huh. All through the Prequels, the Jedi are revered heroes in an intergalactic Clone War(s). In AOTC, Anakin rushes into a bar on the Republic’s capital of Coruscant, declares “Jedi business” and everyone backs off and nobody raises an eyebrow. The Jedi Temple is a gleaming tower close to the Senate. Yet the Jedi go from revered to obscure, almost forgotten about, in less than 20 years.
 

 

 

 

13. Chewbacca not remembering the Jedi…

Han in SW '77: “hokey religions” and “simple tricks and nonsense” in front of Chewbacca… who in the Prequel Trilogy had interactions with the Jedi & Yoda, including being with Yoda during Order 66… yet has said seemingly nothing about this to his long-time best friend.
 

 

 

 

14. Obi-Wan knows Anakin is Darth Vader - but how does Obi-Wan discover Anakin survived their duel on Mustafar?

We unfortunately don’t, as this wasn’t shown in the Prequel Trilogy.

A ‘best guess’ is… In the years spent hiding on Tatooine…Obi-Wan likely saw news reports, or overheard talk and rumours, of this menacing and powerful being called ‘Vader’ (who he saw the Emperor refer to Anakin as ‘Vader’ in hologram recording in ROTS) - and also some of Vader’s exploits during this 20-year time-frame?
 

 

 

 

15. “He is more machine now, than man… twisted and evil.” How does Obi-Wan know this?

Even if Obi-Wan knew that Anakin had survived their dual on Mustafar in ROTS… how did he know Anakin is now the menacing part-man / part-machine figure of Vader…?

We unfortunately don’t, as much like the topic above… this wasn’t shown in the Prequel Trilogy.

A best guess is that Obi-Wan likely saw or overheard news reports while he was in hiding on Tatooine. It must have been made more difficult for Obi-Wan hearing such reports over the years about the atrocities that this mysterious Vader was committing, yet unable to do anything about them. All the while attempting to reconcile this with the man who was his padawan, someone he also considered a brother, and a good friend (although we didn’t really see much evidence of this in the Prequel Trilogy).
 

 

 

 

16. The Clone Wars - or Clone War?

Luke Skywalker to Obi-Wan Kenobi: “You fought in the Clone Wars?” - suggests at least two Clone Wars, possibly more - and not just one Clone War as shown in the Prequel Trilogy.
 

 

 

 

17. ‘Droid owning’. Why doesn’t Kenobi recognize or acknowledge R2? Given their many interactions in the PT…

When Luke Skywalker tells an aging Obi-Wan Kenobi that R2-D2 claims to be his property, Obi-Wan says, “I don’t seem to remember ever owning a droid.” In the Prequel Trilogy, Obi-Wan goes on many missions with Artoo, and the trusty little astro droid even saves his life on a few occasions, so it doesn’t make sense that he wouldn’t recognize him in the Original Trilogy. Yet it seems highly unlikely that, after everything he went through with Anakin, Obi-Wan would forget this sassy and devoted droid being there the whole time.
 

 

 

 

18. R2 - rocket thrusters (He flies now? He flies now…)

In his first appearance, R2-D2 was a glorified Roomba whose entire array of functions amounted to picking locks, store holographic messages, and roaming around flat surfaces. However, in the Prequels, he revealed himself to be a Swiss Army droid with all kinds of 007-esque gadgets up his sleeve. He even has rockets that he can use to fly around, which didn’t serve the plot, but possibly did make Artoo a more fun playable character in the tie-in video games. Some of these gadgets would’ve been most useful in Cloud City, or in Jabba’s palace. So, what happened to those handy abilities?
 

 

 

 

19. Obi Wan serving Bail Organa in the Clone Wars.

Yet this never happened on screen - which is a shame as the character (played by quality actor Jimmy Smits is indeed present in the Prequels) - yet we never actually saw Obi-Wan serve under Bail Organa in The Clone Wars.
 

 

 

 

20. Obi-Wan Kenobi: “When I first knew him, your father was already a great pilot”…

…despite the Prequel Trilogy clearly making this no longer so.
 

 

 

 

21. “He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals. He thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved.”

Anakin didn’t have much choice in escaping his life as a slave to try and become a Jedi. Nor to stay on Tatooine when he did meet Owen. So the above is far from what was presented to the audience in the Prequel Trilogy.
 

 

 

 

22. Obi-Wan Kenobi: “…and he was a good friend.”

And yet Anakin and Ben’s friendship wasn’t really shown in the Prequel films. Although not an inconsistency or discrepancy… it certainly is a problem given the importance, emotional weight, and the actual finale of the Trilogy. This much anticipated, long awaited, and ultimately underwhelming duel on Mustafar - between the two protagonists - these supposed two good friends.

“Show - don’t tell” really applies to this important aspect in bridging these two trilogies. We should have been shown in the Prequel Trilogy that Ben Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker have an unbreakable bond - and not simply told that this is the case.
 

In TPM… they barely interact with each other. Yet with Obi-wan also saying to Qui-Gon that… “The boy is dangerous. They all sense it, why can’t you?”. Obi-Wan only agrees to ‘train the boy’ because it was Qui-Gon’s dying wish and belief that Anakin “is the Chosen One”.

In AOTC… Anakin bad-mouths and criticises Kenobi to Padme… just moments after meeting her for the first time in 10 years. Anakin admits he doesn’t listen to Obi-Wan, Anakin openly contradicts and argues with him in front of Padme, and also ignores Kenobi resulting in Anakin losing an arm to Dooku. It seems we see both of them complain about the other to a third party throughout the film. If anything, Anakin in AOTC is shown to be the opposite of how Kenobi describes him in the 1977 Star Wars film.

^ This is despite attempts by Lucas to show more of a friendship between the two with reshoots and additionally shot scenes in post-production. Maybe the 5+ minute uninterrupted droid factory sequence - itself an additional later inclusion filmed in post-production - could / should have been shelved… to focus more on showing a genuine friendship between Anakin and Obi-Wan?

In ROTS… The ‘banter’ in the beginning of the film implies that they’ve been through events that have lead to a genuine friendship, but the major issue is that we never see these events. As stated above, we are told of this friendship - but are not shown it. We do get a decent scene where they bid each other goodbye… shortly before we see Anakin’s quick and abrupt decision to join the Palpatine & the Dark Side… but that was pretty much it.
 

So when was Anakin shown to be a good friend? As this unfortunately didn’t appear on-screen in the PT. Sorry Alec. And OT fans.
 

 

 

 

23. Obi-Wan Kenobi: “your father wanted you to have this”? (re the lightsaber)…

…despite the Prequel Trilogy clearly making this no longer so.
 

 

 

 

24. How can Obi-Wan or Vader have no memory of R2-D2 and C-3PO?

Okay, I’ve covered Obi-Wan above… yet having Anakin build 3PO is badly done and problematic fan service - and universe-shrinking at that. Anakin actually names the droid 3PO in the Prequels, has him around throughout the films, and when sees him again in the Original Trilogy films… and likely also hears his name out loud (or learns of his name - during his hunt for the Rebels and Luke)… doesn’t acknowledge the droid at all. The latter part also applies to R2D2.
 

 

 

 

25. R2-D2 knows who Vader is to Luke. Why does he never tell Luke?

R2D2 does not have his memory wiped at the end of the Prequels - unlike poor old C3P0…

Snitches get stitches, right? 😉 It does seems both poor writing and plotting is at play again. Why have R2 in anyway shape or form close to knowing who Vader is to Luke at all? Lucas somehow didn’t think through a number of plots for the Prequels in the context of being coherent to events established in the Original Trilogy… and needlessly had R2 around for many key scenes in the Prequels - creating these consistency issues raising many, many questions.
 

 

 

 

26. R2 knows Yoda and has met him many occasions before in the Prequels

…rendering their interplay and fight over a torch on Dagobah in ESB as somewhat bizarre.

Did George and the team creating the Prequel Trilogy simply forget that Yoda and R2D2 had such a scene in Empire Strikes Back? Therefore writing both characters into scenes together for the Prequels - would be contrary or at least jarring to what had already been seen by viewers in Empire…
 

 

 

 

27. R2 also knows Leia is Luke’s sister, but never tells Luke…

…or vice versa - R2 was present at their birth / the death of their mother.

Similar to the above category, George and other creatives for the Prequels seemed to have no issue with unnecessarily writing R2D2 into scenes - such as R2 being at the birth of the twins - so it is an actually jarring and baffling to the viewer who has already experienced the Original films… and is now asking the above question.

George is on record as saying “The entire story of Star Wars is actually being recounted… …a hundred years after the events of Return of the Jedi by none other than R2-D2." - who is the storyteller of the Saga. We know this is yet another retcon, of course. Though is this seemingly an excuse / attempt at a ‘pass’ George gave himself for unnecessarily including R2D2 into so many scenes in the Prequels - to not have to write a more coherent Prequel Trilogy story that was consistent with the events in the already established Original Trilogy?
 

 

 

 

28. “What about that blue one?”

After being captured by Jawas, Artoo and Threepio are sold to Owen Lars, who doesn’t seem to notice anything familiar about them. But of course, in Attack of the Clones, we see that C-3PO lived with the Lars family after they bought Shmi as a slave. Surely he would recognise and remember a droid as whiny and annoying as that.
 

 

 

 

29. If C-3PO has had his memory wiped how is he able to tell Owen what his first job was?

Was he lying because I don’t recall the young boy Anakin getting C3PO to program any binary load lifters to help his slave mother?

When Bail Organa places R2D2 and C3PO under the care of Tantive’s Captain Antilles at the end of ROTS… and instructs the Captain to have 3PO’s mind wiped… is C3PO’s first job after the mind wipe really learning to program binary load lifters for him? For a Captain on a diplomat’s ship?
 

^ C3PO; despite having his memory wiped between the PT and OT he is still consistently talkative, bumbling and annoying (unlike other protocol droids we see) - so why doesn’t Owen remember him in SW '77 - from the years C3PO worked for him on the farm in the PT era? (And maybe also give 3PO a new personality wipe too…?)

 

 

 

30. Darth Vader (Anakin) Built C-3PO

Anakin built a protocol droid to help his mum - not a cleaning droid - not a droid helpful to a slave - nor a droid to sell on or trade for more useful and helpful equipment or money etc - let alone the problematic universe-shrinking issues. Shmi also finished building the droid after Anakin leaves them to become a Jedi?)
 

 

 

 

31. Anakin was not shown as a “good man” in the Prequel Trilogy…

(YMMV on when Anakin becomes Vader… if prior to him donning the suit - or before that when he joined Palpatine against Mace Windu?); He was a boy in TPM, in AOTC he was killing not just the men, but the women and children too. In ROTS he was executing a beaten Dooku, slicing off Mace’s hands, aligning himself with a Sith, slaughtering Jedi younglings, executes unarmed members of of the Separatists & opposition, force-chokes his pregnant wife, Padme. And then attempts to kill his mentor and best friend.
 

 

 

 

32. The Jedi don’t seem to care about slavery or injustice in the Prequels (outside of the Republic etc)

When Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan, Padme, and the others end up on Tatooine, they’re on the run with spacecraft problems to deal with. However, the Jedi’s complete indifference to the idea of slavery seems out of sync with their lofty ideals about good and evil - not to mention justice. In the original Star Wars movies, the Jedi are portrayed as a force for good in the universe. In the Prequels, they’re seemingly content to take their Force prodigy and wash their hands of the rest – including his mother. After all, the Force doesn’t end at the worlds outside of the Republic…
 

 

 

 

33. Force Speed.

The ability to run at super speeds that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan employ to escape the droidekas onboard the Trade Federation command ship. Never to be used again (even in the same film where it would have come in useful for Obi-Wan to have helped Qui-Gon fight with Maul… - or in later events during the Original Trilogy.
 

 

 

 

34. Palpatine using a lightsaber

Palpatine dismissing the “Jedi’s weapon” with great disdain in ROTJ - which after watching the Prequels does not make sense… given he, despite not being a Jedi (and seemingly loathing them and everything about them), had no such problem in owning a Jedi’s weapon, and using such a weapon to easily dispatch highly trained Jedi some 20 years earlier.
 

 

 

 

35. “For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic.”

Yet, in the Prequel Trilogy…

Palpatine: “I will not let this Republic, which has stood for a thousand years, be split in two”.
 

 

 

 

36. The Rule of Two

When they encounter Darth Maul, Yoda explains to Obi-Wan: “Always two there are, no more, no less. A master and an apprentice.” So why are the Emperor and Darth Vader trying to bring Luke into the fold in Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi? Is there an exemption for ‘The Rule of Three’? 😉
 

 

 

 

37. No love For Qui-Gon…

‘R2-D2 isn’t the only major player in Obi-Wan’s past to get struck off. Kenobi’s force ghost tells Luke that Yoda is “the Jedi Master who instructed me” in The Empire Strikes Back. Sorry Qui-Gon Jinn, but apparently your schooling and training of Obi-Wan doesn’t rate a mention.’

Nor does him being the Jedi who teaches Yoda and Ob-Wan to become at one with the force… and even Anakin made it to the post-Endor ghost party too 😉
 

 

 

 

38. Yoda Trained Obi-Wan

It is made abundantly clear when Obi-Wan and Yoda are having their force ghost chat in ROTJ that Yoda was Obi Wan’s master when he was younger. There is no mention of Qui Gon Jinn (who is apparently the one who learned to become one with the force in the first place, so technically should be with them in the original trilogy), and certainly no mention of Obi-Wan having a different master. Despite this, The Phantom Menace shows Qui Gon as Obi Wan’s master throughout.

Also…

BEN: ‘You will go to the Dagobah system’.

LUKE: ‘Dagobah system?’

BEN: ‘There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me. If you see anyone named Qui Gon… just ignore him, like I am…’ 😉
 

 

 

 

39. Yoda’s Acrobatics

(from backflips and spinning like a yoyo in AOTC… to reliance on a cane and moving so slowly just some 25 years or so later)

There is a lot of inconsistency between Yoda’s portrayal in the prequels in comparison to the original trilogy. When we first meet him in Empire Strikes Back, where he is a cute little puppet who walks around very slowly and needs a stick. About thirty years earlier, he was busy backflipping over the head of Count Dooku and single-handedly keeping back the impressive lightsaber skills of Emperor Palpatine. Considering he was over 900 years old in both trilogies, what could possibly have happened in those thirty years that aged him so incredibly quickly.
 

 

 

 

40. Jedi Fighting Style In General

The Original Trilogy of films didn’t have access to the same level of technology that the Prequels had at its disposal. As such, the lightsaber fights were originally strange, wooden and slow in comparison (yet full of emotion, weight and consequence), leaving the fighters no choice but to swing their weapon directly into the path of the other. The Prequels turned this on its head, giving Jedi ridiculously impressive powers to flip everywhere, move way too fast and dash their lightsaber around like it is as light as a feather while fighting off a guy with a two-ended weapon. The latter may be ‘fun’ to watch, but it still doesn’t really make sense when compared to Lucas’ original depiction.
 

 

 

 

41. Lightsabers; in the OT they are heavy like Excalibur. In the PT they are easily & lightly wielded with one hand.

This is despite being the same lightsabers in the OT in some instances… www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6mVr7Pmk9M (12 mins 54 secs into the video Mark Hamill discusses this issue)

“George was adamant that these things were really, really heavy,” Mark Hamill said in the same video. “That we couldn’t take a hand off [the hilt]. We always had to have two. It was like Excalibur, 40 to 50 pounds of weight.” Lucas doubled down too, saying “They’re very powerful and have a lot of energy in them… so you worked with them as if they were heavy.” Lucas has admitted that as the Star Wars films went on this concept was downplayed, and the fights “moved away from the two-handed form.” - video link.

Vader being the exception to this in the Original Trilogy - fighting with one hand at times in Empire…
 

 

 

 

42. Yoda decides he must go into exile. No second tries vs the Emperor, saving other Jedi, regrouping, or fighting?

“Into exile I must go. Failed, I have.” Yoda living as a reclusive old monk and hidden master of the Force on Dagobah is one of the best parts of The Empire Strikes Back. The foggy, mysterious world teeming with life is the perfect place for an exiled warrior to train the galaxy’s next hero. However, upon watching the Prequels his reasons for being there are now somewhat weak and strained. After being defeated by Darth Sidious in their duel in the Senate chambers, Yoda decides he must go into exile. Apparently, he doesn’t believe in second tries, or tactical retreats or regrouping, saving other Jedi, or helping others fight the Empire until Luke turns up… and even then has to be heavily convinced by Obi-Wan. Why didn’t he and Kenobi give assassinating the evil Emperor another try, instead of waiting 20 years to pin their last hope on Luke (or another)?
 

 

 

 

43. “Your powers are weak, old man.”

George Lucas has tried to explain the ‘lack of action’ in the duel between Obi-Wan and Vader in SW’77… by stating that the two combatants were well past their prime. Obi-Wan is an old man, and Darth Vader is largely mechanical, forsaking his former agility. Yet the Prequels simply don’t reflect this idea… Firstly, Count Dooku, Qui-Gon and Darth Sidious are old men too, but this has no impact on their skill with a lightsaber.
 

 

 

 

44. “Was I any different when you taught me?”

After becoming frustrated by Luke’s impatience, he claims that the boy is “reckless”. Obi-Wan is quick to remind him that he himself was no different when studying under Yoda. Yet this seems to have no basis in the prequels. Obi-Wan is constantly calm and logical, in contrast to his “reckless” apprentice Anakin. Even when jumping out of windows to chase assassins - it seems part of the Jedi way at the time, and are practiced, adept and skilled in it (and using the force) - but not “reckless”.
 

 

 

 

45. “That boy is our last hope…”

This is another huge hole that isn’t talked about too much. When Luke leaves Dagobah to confront Vader on Cloud City, Obi-Wan describes him as “our last hope”, with only Yoda acknowledging the fact that “there is another” last hope (Leia). But somehow it appears Lucas forgot this, and had Obi-Wan be present at the birth of the twins. The previous assumption therefore no longer makes any sense, as Obi-Wan would have surely known that the female child could also be strong in the force, have developed force powers, and also be trained. It now makes no sense that she was not also part of the exiled Jedi’s master plan for defeating the Empire once and for all.
 

 

 

 

46. Leia’s Memories Of Padme

When Luke and Leia are talking about their mum (who, they don’t know, was called Padme), Leia explains that she can remember a little bit about her and what she was like. This, understandably, led the audience to believe that Padme was around for a while and tragically died young. Revenge Of The Sith ignores this line entirely, killing Padme mere seconds after she had finished naming the kids.
 

 

 

 

47. Obi-Wan to Luke in ROTJ: “…you were hidden from your father when you were born…”

Obi-Wan in conversation with Luke in Return Of The Jedi: “To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born. The Emperor knew, as I did, that if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him. That is the reason why your sister remains safely anonymous.”
 

“you were hidden from your father when you were born”

^ so at the time of Luke and Leia being born… Obi-Wan knew Anakin was still alive? Despite it being only hours after Obi-Wan left Anakin for dead and burning in fire on Mustafar?
 

Again, this is another case of the Prequel Trilogy contradicting previously established stated facts in the Original Trilogy.
 

 

 

 

48. In ROTJ Vader says "“Obi-Wan Once Thought As You Do” - in that Vader could be redeemed…

…despite Obi-Wan being sent to Mustafar to kill Vader in their encounter in ROTS. Yes, Kenobi does briefly attempt to bring Anakin back to the light, yet also quickly realises it is simply not possible… and attempts to kill Anakin a number of times during their arduous duel.
 

 

 

 

49. How did Anakin learn the knowledge, and complete the training required, to become a Forge Ghost spirit?

Hours after Anakin had passed away on the docking bay of the Death Star… he became a Force Ghost spirit… appearing to Luke during the Rebel celebrations on the forest moon of Endor.

Yet how did Anakin acquire the knowledge to do this? The Prequels now state that Qui Gon is the first Jedi to learn this power, who in turn teaches and trains Yoda, and will also teach Obi-Wan… once Yoda has taught Obi-Wan how to commune with him so he can begin the training:-

“In your solitude on Tatooine, training I have for you. An old friend has learned the path to immortality. One who has returned from the netherworld of the Force. Your old master. How to commune with him I will teach you”

So how does Anakin now know of this capability, then learn it, and also the training required that Yoda says is needed to complete this ability? All done in mere hours?
 

Again, this is another case of the Prequel Trilogy contradicting previous events shown in the Original Trilogy.
 

 

 

 

50. Comparative sizes and building times of the two Death Stars…

We see the Death Star under construction at the end of ROTS and it’s only operational 20 years later in Star Wars. Then the second – larger – Death Star is brought to 2/3 completion with fully operational weapons in a couple of years.

As a means of bridging the gap between the prequel and original trilogies, one of the final shots in Revenge of the Sith sees Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine observing the construction of the Death Star. Since the original trilogy picks up 19 years later with the Rebel Alliance’s quest to destroy the newly completed Death Star, this seems to hint that the Empire’s superweapon took two decades to build. But the second Death Star is almost finished after just a couple of years’ worth of construction in Return of the Jedi.
 

 

 

 

51. / Bonus: Stormtroopers were originally clones in the Original Trilogy…

Something a little different to the other categories… and just a little reminder that stormtroopers were originally clones in the Original Trilogy - until later being retconned as otherwise by George Lucas some 30 years later…
 

In January 1978, the ‘Star Wars Official Poster Magazine #4’, published by Galaxy Publications Ltd in the UK, featured a lengthy and detailed article entitled ‘Soldiers Of The Empire’, by Anthony Fredrickson. It detailed the training and organization of the Stormtroopers, and was apparently the first source to reveal the fact that stormtroopers were clones. It states:-

"The creation of an Imperial Stormtrooper. A cloned man is one of a group of genetically identical humans, an assembly-line product. He is a thinking man, but he serves a specific purpose and no other. A Clone has no mother; only his trainers, and he accepts his fate because he believes it is inevitable. A Clone is, physically and emotionally, a normal man. He simply has no human rights and no name. He is the property of the Emperor. Soldiers fully formed in the growth tanks quickly proved impractical. Scientists found themselves the befuddled fathers of 12-stone blubbering idiots. A foetus is now removed from the hatchery after a gestation period of 60 weeks and is delivered immediately into the hands of its trainers.
 

A screenshot of the ‘Soldiers Of The Empire’ article:-

^ _or click here for the full size version - https://i.imgur.com/EdhcP4s.jpg_

 
 

Also, Adam Bray, the author of the official Star Wars resource book ‘Stormtroopers: Beyond the Armor(a comprehensive resource on stormtroopers both in the Star Wars universe and in the real world) states:-

“I was surprised how much influence Hasbro has had on recent Star Wars animation, from initiating Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars series, to the classic Kenner action figures as inspiration for the character designs in Star Wars Rebels. I was also fascinated how George Lucas’ ideas about who stormtroopers were actually changed over time. It wasn’t until he began conceptualizing a Star Wars TV show that Lucas decided the stormtroopers would be normal humans rather than clones.

^ from www.starwars.com/news/how-stormtroopers-beyond-the-armor-celebrates-the-empires-soldiers (2018 article)

 

The above also give some more credence to Leia’s line in Star Wars '77 of: “Aren’t you a little short for a stormtrooper?” with Leia’s expressing surprise at Luke coming up a little on the short side… compared to his other taller supposed clone counterparts.

As clones… they don’t all have to have the same voice - or have derived from the same genetic source - though George did do exactly this for the Prequel Trilogy… with Boba Fett’s father, Jango, as the sole genetic source used for Clone Troopers.

 

The stormtrooper head bump

Stormtrooper bumps his head in Star Wars '77 : www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBQaLuqwtl8 (a 17 second video clip)

Jango bumps his head in Attack Of The Clones : www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjK_JFwTOWE (a 25 second video clip)
 

^ In the audio commentary for the Attack Of The Clones DVD, George Lucas talks about the backstory of Boba and Jango…

“It wasn’t until I started working on this script that I decided to make Boba the son of the original clone. Before, he was just another clone who was, for whatever reason, had sort of broken loose from the stormtroopers. I didn’t really go into detail at that point, even in my mind, or in the backstory… other than they were connected. But early on the stormtroopers were meant to be clones.”

^ www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0NyOcE4z10 (at 14 mins and 40 secs into this video of the George Lucas commentary for AOTC)
 

the commentary then continues… and George later talks about him having Jango bump his head on the door of Slave I:-
 

“You know, throughout as we go through the movie there’s all these little funny moments… like Jango bumping his head… because in Star Wars (1977) one of the stormtroopers bumps in head on the door as they leave the control room on the Death Star. And I thought wouldn’t it be funny if… that’s a trait Jango has… when he put his helmet and everything, he can’t really see that well… so he is constantly bumping his head… and that trait gets cloned into all the stormtroopers. That’s why they keep bumping their heads.

^ www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0NyOcE4z10 (at 21 mins and 35 secs into this video of the George Lucas commentary for AOTC)

 

Sources:-

https://archive.org/details/LT12P0207 - an audio reading of the ‘Soldiers Of The Empire’, by Anthony Fredrickson. Read by Tim McMahon, of the ‘Less Than 12 Parsecs - #0207’ podcast.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Soldiers_of_the_Empire! & https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Official_Poster_Monthly_4
http://eclectorama.blogspot.com/2007/07/many-proud-clones.html
www.starwars.com/news/how-stormtroopers-beyond-the-armor-celebrates-the-empires-soldiers

 

 

 


 

If anyone knows of any more discrepancies, retcons, or inconsistencies etc - please post them below for further discussion… 👍

 

I know it is inevitable some of the more devoted ‘pro-George’ and Prequel Trilogy fans may see this thread… and be triggered into action plus attempt to debunk some of the above categories - yet that is NOT the purpose of this thread. This is not a ‘bash the Prequel Trilogy’ thread. It merely attempts to highlight what many Star Wars fans noticed and talked about at the time of experiencing the three Prequel films… encountering a number of discrepancies and disconnects between the two Trilogies.

It goes without saying that not ‘every little thing’ requires an explanation onscreen - that the viewer should fill in some of the blanks themselves. Yet somewhat simple and straightforward answers should be sufficient when attempting to address or resolve such issues - especially as these films were ‘made for young kids’. Repeated mental gymnastics & giant leaps outside the realms of simple logical reasoning should not be required in attempts to explain the amount of conflicting / jarring information bafflingly introduced in the Prequels - and doing so only seems to amplify the lack of good coherent storytelling in the PT.

Obviously, every Original Trilogy fan has different outlooks and levels of tolerance depending upon each of the disconnects - and ‘our respective mileage may vary’… and then some… when it comes to some of the above discrepancies / issues listed above.
 

TLDR; That there are so many inconsistencies or discrepancies between the two Trilogies does not make for a coherent story, ‘Saga’, or whatever these two respective sets of films are now known as. And it does raise the question just why so many were introduced in the Prequels? Yet, it is also okay if you don’t find the topics in here to be an issue - or much of an issue. YMMV.

 

 


 
 

Note: Congrats to anyone who made it to the end of this post in one go! I was going to write-up / compile my own take for each individual discrepancy listed above - yet this ‘info post’ was unfinished at the time of me leaving the OT•com - and I’ve struggled to motivate myself to conclude it since. So instead, I used some of the sources listed below for information to try and ‘round-out’ this still-unfinished project (which had been gnawing at me of late). If anyone here wants to use this post, or parts of it, in their own thread, please feel free to do so. MTFBWY all, & best wishes to everyone on the OT. #ReleaseTheOriginalTrilogy 👍
 

Sources of information

• ‘Vs. & Similarities… (PT vs OT, PT vs ST, PT vs Standalone Films, ST vs EU, etc)’ section of ‘An Index & Help Thread for General Star Wars Discussion’ thread.

• ‘Plot holes, inconsistencies, contradictions, disconnects, mental gymnastics, and stretches etc (the Original Trilogy vs later Star Wars)’ section of ‘An Index & Help Thread for General Star Wars Discussion’ thread.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Extreme-Prequel-Plot-Holes-And-Inconsistencies/id/55318 - and many other OT•com threads

www.quora.com/What-are-the-notable-inconsistencies-and-failures-of-internal-logic-within-the-storyline-of-the-six-canonical-Star-Wars-films
www.quora.com/unanswered/What-are-some-of-the-biggest-inconsistencies-and-contradictions-between-the-original-Star-Wars-trilogy-and-the-prequels
www.quora.com/What-breaks-in-Star-Wars-continuity-exist-between-the-original-saga-and-the-prequels
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-prequels-continuity-errors-from-original-trilogy
https://vocal.media/futurism/7-things-that-don-t-make-sense-in-the-prequel-trilogy
www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/the-biggest-inconsistencies-in-the-star-wars-saga.html
www.cbr.com/star-wars-prequel-trilogy-ignored-original
www.digitalspy.com/movies/g25420/star-wars-plot-holes-prequels-george-lucas-revenge-sith-phantom-menace
https://filmslur.wordpress.com/2015/04/10/23-discrepancies-in-the-star-wars-prequels
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia_talk:Trash_compactor/Star_Wars_inconsistencies
www.nerdreport.com/2015/04/11/list-of-star-wars-prequel-contradictions-2
www.thegamer.com/star-wars-prequel-mistakes-fans-noticed
https://trekkingwithdennis.com/2020/01/07/looking-back-at-the-star-wars-prequel-trilogy
https://boards.theforce.net/threads/rewriting-the-ot-to-suit-the-prequels-humor.50039598 (humour)
www.indiewire.com/2020/12/george-lucas-defends-star-wars-prequels-against-dialogue-complaints-1234604950
www.nme.com/blogs/the-movies-blog/star-wars-plot-holes-1921277
www.denofgeek.com/movies/star-wars-original-trilogy-crimes
https://mythcreants.com/blog/five-terrible-defenses-of-the-star-wars-prequels
https://clonecorridor.com/2015/05/16/the-prequel-trilogy-the-noughties
www.cultureslate.com/news/7-things-that-dont-make-sense-in-the-prequel-trilogy
www.ign.com/articles/star-wars-jedi-knights-forgotten-mandalorian-clone-wars

 
 

The topic of the Jedi in the Prequel Trilogy - contrasting with how the Jedi featured in the Original Trilogy… is an issue likely worthy of its own thread - and is not really covered in much detail in here.

From being ‘the Guardians of peace and justice in the old Republic’ in the Original Trilogy… to the monk-like religious sect; making so many baffling, thoughtless, and fatuous decisions in the Prequel Trilogy… the audience starts to wander just how the Jedi were around, trusted, and had survived ‘for over a thousand generations’… because George Lucas seemingly wanted the Jedi to now be that way for writing an easier / sympathetic pathway to Anakin’s apparent seduction by the dark side in the Prequels?

 

Sideburns of BoShek has compiled an intriguing scrapbook resource thread on this issue - along with the wider discussion of ‘pre-PT era lore’ being discarded for the ‘new lore’ what came with the Prequel Films themselves… which had much dissonance and contradictions to what had been established in official Star Wars material… for some 20-30 years previous:-

Pre-PT era lore | an OT & EU scrapbook resource | additional info & sources welcome - a 2024 thread

^ and also a great trip down memory lane to what was ‘a long time ago. . . .’ - as well as any further pre-PT era material

 

There is now also a category of OT•com threads on ‘pre-PT era lore’ - in An Index Thread for General Star Wars Discussion:-

The Star Wars Universe: OT & EU - archetypal Life & Lore before the release of the Prequels (the PT ushering in George’s ‘nu-SW rules’ and more retcons)…’

 
 

As is seemingly always the way…

 
Another source quality of information on the ‘inconsistencies, retcons, dissonance and discrepancies etc…’ between the Original Trilogy and Prequel Trilogy (+ the Prequel Trilogy with the Expanded Universe) has just been highlighted (in Sideburns of BoShek’s Pre-PT era lore | an OT & EU scrapbook resource | additional info & sources welcome thread), by Gandalf the Cyan:-
 

Gandalf the Cyan said:

Very nice!

There’s also this article— http://deckplans.00sf.com/Research/Prequel.html

Obnoxious nitpicking aside, it’s a very good resource that’s especially notable for covering obscure quotes from the pre-PT EU that are contradicted by the prequels.

^ the website linked to there is far more comprehensive, detailed and sourced than this thread - and I’d encourage anyone interested in the subject - to spend some time on there looking through the extensive amount of work and material on offer:-

 

 
Website link: http://deckplans.00sf.com/Research/Prequel.html#Top (an archived backup: https://archive.is/wA3OG)
 

Introduction
Episode I
Episode II
Episode III
Expanded Universe
Additional Notes
Sources
About Us
 

^ The site is for Gamesmasters for the Star Wars Roleplaying Games - notably the West End Games® editions, and to aid them in highlighting the dissonance inconsistencies and between the two Trilogies (and the EU)… in Gamesmasters having the very difficult job of maintaining continuity and history in their private gaming campaigns - dating all the way back to the late 1990’s…

 
 

 


 

 

 

Plot Holes, Inconsistencies, Contradictions, Disconnects, Mental Gymnastics, Stretches etc - between the Original Trilogy and other Star Wars releases…

Discussion Threads which highlight and discuss plot holes, discrepancies & contradictions etc - between the OT and later GFFA content.

 

This category can be found in the…

Plot holes, inconsistencies, contradictions, disconnects, mental gymnastics, stretches etc (Original Trilogy vs later Star Wars)

…section of the An Index & Help Thread for General Star Wars Discussion
 

Obviously, everyone’s mileage may vary on what is considered a discrepancy etc - or not - and just how much of an issue each one is…
 

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com

A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)

… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.