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So why Define STAR WARS as OT OR PT?

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I am not here to provoke any type of flame war, just intelligent conversation. I notice that STAR WARS Fans use terms such as PT or OT to define the films. I think if we all just start calling STAR WARS....just that, what it reall is (STAR WARS) and not "PT THAT SUCKS BECAUSE OF THE CGI" or "OT RULES BECAUSE I GREW UP WITH IT" Then it will be easier to keep STAR WARS As a whole.


I think that George Lucas does the things he does, like change the OOT To this new film, because he deep down cares about the fans (bare with me)

He wants to connect the OOT fans with the PT and bring STAR WARS Together as a whole. Maybe if us fans, the ones who made STAR WARS Such a great success that it is today, quit being selficious and dislike the films for legit reasons and quit acting as if they are in a different universe (PT AND OT) then maybe we can all enjoy STAR WARS Alot more.

Sure owning the OOT on DVD would be a nice thing for George Lucas to do, but it is not the end of STAR WARS if he does not. We grew up on the OOT (some of us) and I Think it is time for us to let the New generation, and generations to come, enjoy STAR WARS. STAR WARS are great films, and if you really believe STAR WARS Is great, you will not leta few adjustments that "rape your childhood" get in the way of it being a great Series.

If you hate Episode 1 because of Jar Jar binks, chances are that you are an adult...and that is natural. If you hate it because it does not Have Vader, Luke, or Solo...then that is just silly.

As for HC being in Episode 6...if you were any type of STAR WARS Fan, you would know that when a Jedi Becomes a sith, he dies both Spiritually and Physically (IE The Eyes and color of skin)

Greedo shooting first adds more to Han Solo's badass feel (please bare with me yet again)
Han never flinches, so it shows how calm and cool he is and then shoots right away at Greedo. Greedo Misses his first shot, Han does not. This shows Han being the better of the 2.


Showing Jabba early on in the series in Episode 4...is not taking the suprise away from what Jabba is a silly statement. Jabba is shown in Episode 1 and has to be. Jabba runs most of that area of Tatooine, and it is natural for him to be seen at the Pod Race. Having Jabba in episode 4 is a good thing IMHO.


Bash this, Flame me, all you want. But I am a STAR WARS Fan, not an OT fan, or a PT fan.


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Jar Jar Binks: Yeah.
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Hi & Welcome

Um... I think we're all Star Wars fans here, Tony.

Some people on here may have a preference for watching Episodes 4, 5 & 6 over 1, 2 & 3 - or a mixture of sorts of the 6 films. The terms PT & OT are just used for easier reference.

In case you havn't noticed, the name of this site is originaltrilogy.com - by definition this site has more topics on the OT than the PT, though there are many differing discussions on the Prequel Trilogy too - and many do not consist of your 'PT suck 'cos of CGI' statement...

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com

A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)

… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.

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Welcome, Tony. I hope you enjoy your stay here. I can't say I agree with what you said, but you said it in a much more mature way than most people state Star Wars opinions (on any side of the fence or in the middle), so don't expect any flaming from me, just (I hope) more intelligent conversation. I really doubt there are any people here who dislike The Phantom Menace because of the lack of Vader, Luke, and Solo. Rather, they are disgruntled people who expected much more out of the prequels and feel that Mr. Lucas didn't handle them as well as he could have. It's an opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions. And there are many arguments that I feel express legitimate concern and constructive criticism. There is a post from Seiji that I've enjoyed reading a few times, and, well, this is it:

"1.) As far as Hayden and Jake go, if you realize that they are going to struggle with many lines, you should cut out all unnecessary lines from these two. The less said by Anakin the better. I think a more minimalist style to Anakin's dialogue would allow the character to blend in better with Darth Vader, who was always a calculating and efficient with his word choice (examples: "I find your lack of faith disturbing" to Motti, "Perhaps you think you're being treated unfairly?" to Lando, and "The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" to Jerjerrod). Anakin definitey has way too much dialogue in the prequels. If Anakin were more of a minor character in the Phantom Menace and a man of fewer words, he could have been much more effective. I think Obi-Wan should be the hero of all three prequel trilogies, and the scripts should have been written to reflect this. First scene on the chopping block (one of many): "It's working, it's working!" No kid actor could have delivered this line well.

2.) Instead of putting Anakin in the cockpit of the Naboo starfighter in Phantom Menace, Anakin should have stayed with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon to watch them fight Darth Maul. This change would have removed the utter lack of seriousness for the space portions of the battle and would have furthered Anakin's character development, by having him witness a traumatic event and be exposed to both sides of the Force. I actually expected this to happen in the movie. Lines like "No one can kill a Jedi ... I wish that were so" and "It's a hard life" from Qui-Gon hint that Anakin will be exposed to these challenges within the movie. The scene would not have required any dialogue from Anakin, but merely a few telling glances from Qui-Gon and Maul. Instead he goes off and destroys the Federation battleships and delivers the line "This is podracing". Horrible stuff. Luke's attack on the Death Star was heroic and required maturity, but Anakin's attack on the Federation ships is idiotic and impossibly lucky, not heroic.

3.) Remove the Midi-Chlorians. Qui-Gon's senses should be proof enough that Anakin is powerful, we don't need a blood test. I don't mind the Prophecy, but it would have been much better without the Midi-chlorian explanation. This change to the lore also contradicts the view of the Force shown by Obi-Wan in ANH and Yoda in Empire.

We would much rather have Qui-Gon's explanation of the Force be consistent with the explanations given by Obi-Wan in A New Hope and Yoda in Empire, but with his character's own personal touches. Here are their explanations of the Force (which is not unexplainable magic, as you seem to understand it).

Obi-Wan : "The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together."

Obi-Wan's explanation seems to imply that the Force is universal. Midi-chlorians do not create the ability to use the Force, but other living things create it. Any being can use the Force with enough training, focus, and patience. Specifically, your ability to use the Force stems from your mind, not from the number of symbiotic organisms within your body.

Yoda: "Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."

Notice how Yoda specifically made the contrast between matter and humanity. Yoda says that humans are more than just the sum of their cells. Explaining one's ability to use the Force through the results of a blood test means that the Force does boil down to 'crude matter'. He also repeats Obi-Wan's assertion that all life creates the Force.

The Midi-Chlorian explanation in Episode I specifically refutes the explanations of the Force given in the original two Star Wars films. In the OT, we could say that Yoda is the wisest and most powerful Jedi because of his faith, dedication, focus, patience, intelligence, etc. In the PT, we say that Yoda and Anakin are the two most powerful Jedi because they were born with the highest number of Midi-chlorians in their body. This is almost a Social Darwinist theory of the Force.

Qui-Gon says that without Midi-chlorians, life would not be possible and we would have no knowledge of the Force. Therefore, all living things possess midi-chlorians, and all living things should have access to the Force

The film would have been superior if the midi-chlorians were never mentioned, though. The Force definitely has changed since Obi-Wan described it in Episode IV (Lucas was trying to make a positive change, but hurt the films instead). In Episode IV, Obi-Wan comments: "When I first met your father, I was amazed at how strongly the Force was with him." In Episode I, this comment seems to have changed to "I was amazed at how high his midi-chlorian count was." The descriptions of the from the original trilogy imply that your ability to use the Force is limited only by the strength of your mind and will. Yoda makes it abundantly clear that NO PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS can be placed on the Force, including a Midi-chlorian count. In the PT, this is no longer the case.

Lucas has treated his audience like complete idiots throughout the prequels. The audience understands exactly what Lucas is TRYING to do with the Midi-chlorians (all too well), but it does not have the desired effect. This is a clear-cut example of one of the main problems with the PT: Lucas explaining the story through expository dialogue instead of demonstrating things through action. (ie- Lucas tells us Anakin is strong with the Force through prolonged dialogue, while Luke demonstrates his strength through actions; Anakin and Padme tell us their feelings in words, while Han and Leia demonstrate their feelings through actions and expressions; etc.) These examples disrespect the intelligence of the audience rather than overestimate it.

To put things this way: which explanation of the Force do you prefer? A New Hope, Empire, or Phantom Menace?

To put things another way: no one would ever complain about Yoda's sublime description of the Force in Empire, but very many people complain about Qui-Gon's explanation to Anakin. There is a definite reason why.

Of course, that's forgetting that Darth Vader redeemed himself, killed the Emperor and returned to Anakin Skywalker when Luke lifted his helmet. This naturally led to the poignant scene at the end of ROTJ where the newly-redeemed Anakin takes his rightful place with the other Jedi.

This recent change is illogical, lame, and obviously done so that the crappy Lucas Prequels can insert even more control over the superior OT. Lucas continually tries to get the Prequel scenes and story into the OT, like some ugly guy hanging out with a pretty b

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In responce to what you said, Anakin watching the death of Qui Gon would have been alot better in Episode1. I would have done that instead and have somebody else destroy the TF Space station.

As for the PodRace, I would actually like them to add the deleted lap 2 scene to the race. The Race looks really nice with a wide screen and the volume turned up.

Pretty much adding all the deleted scenes to Episode 1 and Episode 2 would be a good thing for Lucas to do in the final edit. (Episode 3 should not be touched, I have seen pictures of the Deleted scenes and they do the movie no justic and make it less dark)



As for Mitichlorions, Why not have them? They are never defined as the Force it self. They were Qui Gons way of explaining living matter in a way a 9 year old could comprehend much easier. Sidious took advantage of this, he could create matter...but he could not create the force. Nobody can define how powerful the force can become in a person, The sith could only create...it was a gamble, the Force took tis chance and was with Anakin very strongly.


HC Was a great person to replace Jake. If you se Jake at the end of episode 1 with his hair cut, he looks just like HC does in Episode 2.

The actor of Obi Wan in Episodes 1 - 3 is the perfct choice and his acting in Episode 3 really makes you believe he will become Alec Guiness (I believe this, as well as many other fans I have spoken with INOHO)


As for the R2D2 Thing, the man was reading it off the paper and it was bringing out character and emotion in the mans voice. If you have seen any war movis, you will notice at ceremonys that when they read off a heros name...It annouced slowly to the minister/king/ etc. etc.


I think that if Episodes 1 - 3 came out in 1977 - 1983 and Episodes 4 - 6 came out from 1999 - 2005 than evrybody would be hating on Episodes 4 - 6. Most STAR WARS Fans try to make the movies into something they are not, and that is why the lose the magic of the films. When the FINAL 30TH ANNIVERSARY EDIT comes out, do your self a favor as a STAR WARS fan. Watch Episodes 1 - 6 the way George Lucas suggest people watch them. Have a week to do this, then on the 7th day fo the week, think about the movies and come to the conclusion of what you just watch. I am sure that if you are a STAR WARS Fan, that would be 1 week that would be the best week in STAR WARS Movis you could have.

This is all in my honest opinion.


As for the Anakin ghost thing, the whole point of being redeemed is that when you die as a Sith reborn Jedi, you go back to the physical form representing the JEDI you were before you took the Sith transformation. If Anakin was played by a young actor in 1983 then I am sure none of you would have this problem. I think it is just a mentality thing most STAR WARS Fans have because they grew up on this, like I said before. We need to stop being greedy ourselves and claiming the series as our own, it is everybodys film and if Lucas wants to alter the images of Episodes 4 - 6 Because he wants the new generation and generations to come to enjoy it, then let him. He in no way alters the story, only in your mind does he do it and that is why the hardcore fans should have their mental capacity checked out by a professional psychiatrist.

Also it is not our choice to say what the generations to come will enjoy, it is the movie creators. I am a young Film director my self who will be attending UCLA next semister, I do not think George Lucas is ruining STAR WARS. The man clearly has issues, but when it comes to STAR WARS, It is his creation and as long as he does not change the stories, just the way it is presented, then I support him 110% of the way as a Fan, and a fellow Movie Goer/creator.
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Qui-Gon Jinn: Do you hear that?
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Jar Jar Binks: Yeah.
Qui-Gon Jinn: That is the sound of a thousand terrible things headed this way.
Obi-Wan: If they find us, they will crush us, grind us into TINY pieces and BLAST us into oblivion!
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Like oojason said, the Star Wars 'trilogy' for me now is ROTS, SW and ESB. If I was to show a child the films for the first time, I do them in that order. George has given us a buffet of great fantasy films, we just choose which ones we like best.
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That is good. But wouldnt you like Episodes 3, 4, and 5 to fit in perfectly? It is silly and immature to be stubborn and not accept change on this matter, STAR WARS will always be STAR WARS as long as the story does not change.
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Qui-Gon Jinn: Do you hear that?
[a rumbling is heard in the distance]
Jar Jar Binks: Yeah.
Qui-Gon Jinn: That is the sound of a thousand terrible things headed this way.
Obi-Wan: If they find us, they will crush us, grind us into TINY pieces and BLAST us into oblivion!
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Whoa, some slightly inflammatory words there, Tony. Why are people "immature", "stubborn", and in need of psychiatric evaluation simply because they hold a viewpoint that doesn't mesh with yours? I truly believe in the adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I am by no means a first generations Star Wars fan. I was only first initiated into the Star Wars fandom ten years ago. But even then, I saw nothing in the original releases that kept me from enjoying the film. So as far as your argument about keeping it enjoyable for future generations, I don't think anyone complained before the Special Editions that they couldn't enjoy it as much unless Lucas went in and added state of the art effects and other retooling. I don't agree with all this Special Edition and Director's Cuts mayhem that's been around in the past several years, but it seems pretty low to not let those who enjoy the originals have them, which is what Lucas is trying to do. You're happy with the 2004 movies. Fine. You have what you want. For those of us who don't, we're forced to take more underground methods. Is that fair?

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That is good. But wouldnt you like Episodes 3, 4, and 5 to fit in perfectly? It is silly and immature to be stubborn and not accept change on this matter, STAR WARS will always be STAR WARS as long as the story does not change.


Not in the least. ROTS, SW and ESB are the best three films of the bunch.

I've seen all of the films, enjoy all of the films. However, I think those three are above the rest. Even George Lucas doesn't consider the two trilogies to be 'like'. Yes, he considers it one big story, but he purposly made the PT different than the OT. He understood that a marketing firm or film studio would prefer him to make carbon copies of the original films, same pacing, same style, but that's not what he wanted to do.
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My personal opinion, and I know a good many people around me who would agree, is that the problem (well, A problem ) with the PT is not the CGI itself, but that there is simply TOO MUCH CGI. If THE MAN RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING (anyone who remembers Anthony Daniels's old Wonder Column should get that reference) had shown at least a little bit of moderation, then maybe the fans wouldn't be so quick to hate on it. For example: why bother making Jar Jar CGI? Gollum from LOTR really didn't have a choice, seeing as how it would be impossible to find someone that skinny (besides Iggy Pop); but other than that, their rubber Orc suits worked fine. Would a rubber Jar Jar suit really be so difficult? Would it have killed them to have some real objects in the Gungans vs. Droids battle at the end of TPM?

In any event, I think the CGI problem with the PT is simply over-saturation. Someone should have been around to say "Hey, dude, um...don't you think you should tone it down a bit?" I think the main problem is that with Lucas's fame, no one has the balls to say no to him. It's like that Monty Python sketch involving the board meeting with the huge Hollywood producer. I can't remember any lines from it though, so if it's that important to you, Google it.

Well, at any rate, I hope I've shed some light on this situation, or perhaps sparked a debate.

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Sorry Tony, the "PT" blows not only because of the "CGI" but also the horrible acting, directing, writing, the whole thing. And I will never acknowledge the PT as part of "STAR WARS", never! If GL really cared about the fans he should have at least watched the OT before he started on the PT, all GL cares about is pushing the merchandising, while we all fight over which is better the PT or the OT. Oh, and Welcome to the boards!!!
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If GL really cared about the fans he should have at least watched the OT before he started on the PT, all GL cares about is pushing the merchandising, while we all fight over which is better the PT or the OT. Oh, and Welcome to the boards!!!


If that were the case, he would have fleeced you already for the OOT DVDs.

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I just came to a realization, and this kind of amused me. The reaction that Lucas got for changing the OT is ALMOST EXACTLY the same reaction Metallica got when they sued Napster. It made the fans feel alienated by their heroes; it also made them think they only did it for the money, which in turn only made them MORE angry because it wasn't like the band didn't have enough money already. Does anyone else seem to think this an odd coincidence?

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If GL really cared about the fans he should have at least watched the OT before he started on the PT, all GL cares about is pushing the merchandising, while we all fight over which is better the PT or the OT. Oh, and Welcome to the boards!!!


If that were the case, he would have fleeced you already for the OOT DVDs.


I didn't buy the toys, lunchboxes and such then and I'm sure not buying them now, all I want is the OT on DVD. If you like being fleeced on the new crap go ahead.
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
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I just came to a realization, and this kind of amused me. The reaction that Lucas got for changing the OT is ALMOST EXACTLY the same reaction Metallica got when they sued Napster. It made the fans feel alienated by their heroes; it also made them think they only did it for the money, which in turn only made them MORE angry because it wasn't like the band didn't have enough money already. Does anyone else seem to think this an odd coincidence?


Well, it's probably the only way you can relate George Lucas to Metallica... ^_~ But, yeh, I see the connection. Damnit, George! You stole our music!!!

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I just think that lucas doing this whole adding on thing to the PT is great. I do disagree with him on some things. the 1997 thing was a great way to bring alot of people back before he did Episode 1, but releasing stuff in 2004,just 3 years away from its 30th anniversary is greedy. I think there should have just been the 1977 - 1983, 1997, and the 30th anniversary cuts. Nothing more, nothing less.

But what else would you call a person that refuses change? Conservative is not the right choice of word in this arguement, stubborn is more like it. I just think that The fans of STAR WARS take Things too far. They dress up as characters, they re-enact the epic battles, and it is not like it is young children, I am talking the guys that are in their 30's and over. George Lucas is a geek, and he is a geek over his films, but the way his fans obsess over his films...and bash him, well I mean...you kind of cannot blame the guy for being the @$$clown that he has become. George Lucas is a good man deep down inside...greedy maybe (He is a democrat, so it is not like he can be that greedy for tax cuts) But at least he is making money doing what he wants. Alot of people bash Episodes 1 - 3, but I know that they are the same eople who went out and saw the films more than once, the hardcore "nerds" shall I say. I saw each film from Episodes 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3 at least twice. I am not ashamed George Lucas got my money, it takes alot for a movie to make me go back and see it a second time, especially a 3rd or 4th.

We all need to be greatful Episodes 1 - 3 came (if your a STAR WARS fan that is) because now it is over, and if you want to go see movies with actors like The Aviator or Any crap Jenifer Lopex produces out of her ass...hell even Vin Deisel....then you will see the bad acting and dialogue. Bash Episodes 1 - 3 for its acting, but we do not go to STAR WARS For its acting. If you want to see bad acting, rent that Vin Deisel film or house of wax when they come out.


I also agree with "if it aint broke, then dont fix it" But STAR WARS is STAR WARS. It does not fit right with Episodes 1 - 3. This all goes back to my theory on if Epsiodes 1 - 3 Came ou in the 70's and 80's....you guys would not bash them all...but bash Episodes 4 - 6 That came out in the 90's and 2000's. If Anakin was played by a teen in 1983, you would have no problem with it. STAR WARS Fans just carry the mentality as to like and only love the first thing they witness, not its clone or change. I tend to believe that, if things can look good visually (Have the Spectacular visuals as episodes 1 - 3) and the story Episdoes 4 - 6 have...then you cannot get any better than that.

Do your selves a favor, I promise you if your a STAR WARS Fan, if you own a HD-TV or a wide screen with a decent audio. Go out and buy the 30th anniversary box SET, Watch Episodes 1 - 6 in one week (if u can do it in 1 sitting in 1 day...then god bless you) and enjoy STAR WARS. I am just here to help fellow STAR WARS Fans enjoy and open up to the greatest Movie series of all time.

I have watched Episodes 1 - 6 all on my Wide screen (I cannot discuss how I saw episode 3, you all know why) and It was breath taking experience me and my buddies had. I had some friends who are sutbborn episodes 4 - 6 fans, and some stubborn 1 - 3 fans. But in the end, we all realised how Great STAR WARS is when you make it into a whole, not 2 seperate trilogys.
Jar Jar Binks: If me be returnin, the Bosses will do terrible things to me! Tewwwwible things!
Qui-Gon Jinn: Do you hear that?
[a rumbling is heard in the distance]
Jar Jar Binks: Yeah.
Qui-Gon Jinn: That is the sound of a thousand terrible things headed this way.
Obi-Wan: If they find us, they will crush us, grind us into TINY pieces and BLAST us into oblivion!
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If GL really cared about the fans he should have at least watched the OT before he started on the PT, all GL cares about is pushing the merchandising, while we all fight over which is better the PT or the OT. Oh, and Welcome to the boards!!!


If that were the case, he would have fleeced you already for the OOT DVDs.


I didn't buy the toys, lunchboxes and such then and I'm sure not buying them now, all I want is the OT on DVD. If you like being fleeced on the new crap go ahead.



What?
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I will be honest with you all. My favorite Star Wars films go in this order.

1. Revenge Of The Sith
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. The Phantom Menace
4. Attack of The Clones
5. Return Of The Jedi
6. A New Hope


But in a sense, I like each movie equally. I have the same amount of Pros (give or take a few for certain films) as I do Cons. To bash 1 film in the STAR WARS Universe is pretty low, you either love STAR WARS, or you hate it. None of this inbetween "omg I can only watch Episodes 4 - 6" or "OMG I Can only watch Episodes 1 - 3" but as the above poster said, he likes episodes 3 - 5.

If I had to pick 3 to show somebody first, I would pick Episodes 1 - 3.
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I've never seen someone rank the original film as the worst.
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"Ive never seen someone who ranked the original film as the worst"

Well meet Tony


But seriously, I love STAR WARS As a whole. I accept the films for what they are, I accept the changes for what they are, and I just know that when the 30th anniversary box set comes out, like a STAR WARS Fan...I will buy it, watch it, and enjoy STAR WARS.



September 16, 2004
Star Wars DVD Changes - Can We All Stop Whining Now?
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I proudly say that I am a Star Wars fanatic. I would go so far as to dub myself a Geek. First film I ever saw in the theater and the love affair continues even today. But something happens when fans love a piece of work as much as we Star Wars fans do... we start to feel as if we "own" it. This has never been so apparent than it has been since the announced changes to the original trilogy coming on DVD.

People have been irrational, upset, up in arms... why? Because Greedo gets off the first shot? Because they updated a Jabba scene (That Lucas originally planned on having in the movie when he first shot Star Wars by the way)? Because the younger Anakin is added as a ghost at the end? Ok, I may or may not like these changes... but it begs the question.... WHO THE HELL CARES!?!?!?!

I mean really people! These are small details. Most rational people would say "irrelevant" afterthoughts. None of these coming changes alters in anyway the story of Star Wars (which is it's heart and soul). None of these changes alter the film in any meaningful way... so what's the problem here? I can understand not liking it. Heck, I can even understand being a little miffed about it (I am). But come on!!! These are MINOR changes that only fans as passionate as us Star Wars fans would get obsessed about.

As much as we love these films... as much as they are a part of our childhood... there is one inescapable fact we can not aviod... THAT DOESN'T MAKE THEM "OUR" FILMS. It's still Lucas' baby to do with as he pleases... and to be honest he hasn't really changed things all that much.

So lets just all calm down, take a deep breath, and talk about the movies, talk about the changes to the DVD's, talk about what we like and don't like about them. But let's stop the call to arms for a holy war just because for 2 seconds the Jedi Temple is added to the landscape shot of Coruscant. Uggg... ok... end rant.
Jar Jar Binks: If me be returnin, the Bosses will do terrible things to me! Tewwwwible things!
Qui-Gon Jinn: Do you hear that?
[a rumbling is heard in the distance]
Jar Jar Binks: Yeah.
Qui-Gon Jinn: That is the sound of a thousand terrible things headed this way.
Obi-Wan: If they find us, they will crush us, grind us into TINY pieces and BLAST us into oblivion!
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Originally posted by: Tony
I will be honest with you all. My favorite Star Wars films go in this order.

1. Revenge Of The Sith
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. The Phantom Menace
4. Attack of The Clones
5. Return Of The Jedi
6. A New Hope


But in a sense, I like each movie equally. I have the same amount of Pros (give or take a few for certain films) as I do Cons. To bash 1 film in the STAR WARS Universe is pretty low, you either love STAR WARS, or you hate it. None of this inbetween "omg I can only watch Episodes 4 - 6" or "OMG I Can only watch Episodes 1 - 3" but as the above poster said, he likes episodes 3 - 5.

If I had to pick 3 to show somebody first, I would pick Episodes 1 - 3.


I don't agree that you have to love every single thing (or every single movie) in a series to be a fan of the series. In fact, it takes some maturity to be honest with what you like and what you don't like about something rather than simply saying, "I love it just because I love the series." You admit it yourself by ranking them. If you prefer one movie over another then that means that the ones that are not on the top of your list must be missing something that your top choice contains. There is nothing wrong with not loving everything. It is possible to be perfectly happy with everything and much more possible to be perfectly content with your fandom. But, in response to "you either love STAR WARS, or you hate it," think about what Obi-Wan said in your favorite Star Wars movie: "Only the Sith think in absolutes!" ^_^

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I concur with that above statement ^


I prefer the Gungans over the Ewoks, that is why Episodes 1 > Episode 6. The ewoks have no personaility, the gungans are at least clumsy and dashing.

Episode 4 had very little music and it just seems so very bland too me, but I love it none the less...just I would watch it last to the other STAR WARS Films.
Jar Jar Binks: If me be returnin, the Bosses will do terrible things to me! Tewwwwible things!
Qui-Gon Jinn: Do you hear that?
[a rumbling is heard in the distance]
Jar Jar Binks: Yeah.
Qui-Gon Jinn: That is the sound of a thousand terrible things headed this way.
Obi-Wan: If they find us, they will crush us, grind us into TINY pieces and BLAST us into oblivion!
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Hey, no problem with that. I do happen to own the soundtrack to the original Star Wars, and I enjoy it immensely (not as much as The Empire Strikes Back, as that is my favorite soundtrack), but I can't say that it had very little music, nor that it was bland. Heh, listening to Star Wars music gives me such a rush while I'm driving. And the orchestral version of Princess Leia's theme, which isn't in the movie, is on the soundtrack, and it has become one of my favorite pieces!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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The first 40 min. to me could have used more music (mainly the droid sequences) But that is just me being a Film Director of the future, not a fan. As a Fan I will take STAR WARS For whatever way George Lucas gives it to me, it is his films and I will accept that.


I would have to say My Favorite Soundtrack for STAR WARS is Episode 2, closely followed by Episode 6 then 3.

I would also like to add that The song in Episode 5, The Theme for Cloud City, is also the same theem for coruscant in Episode 1.
Jar Jar Binks: If me be returnin, the Bosses will do terrible things to me! Tewwwwible things!
Qui-Gon Jinn: Do you hear that?
[a rumbling is heard in the distance]
Jar Jar Binks: Yeah.
Qui-Gon Jinn: That is the sound of a thousand terrible things headed this way.
Obi-Wan: If they find us, they will crush us, grind us into TINY pieces and BLAST us into oblivion!
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I'll have to watch out for that Cloud City theme next time I watch The Phantom Menace because I never noticed it before. I wouldn't be surprised, since a lot of material in Episodes I-III is previously tracked music. But I only have the single-disc soundtrack for Phantom Menace, so it's most likely not on it.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Episode 1 does have the most rehashes of Episdoes 4 - 6 as far as music goes. Episode 2 stands out to have mainly its own themes and Episode 3 has only 1 rehash from episodes 1 - 3 (The Duel Of Fates song seen in the Yoda/Emperor fight)

If my memory serves me correctly, It is the song they use in Corscant when Padme/queen amidala and the gang arrive. It is found in Episode 5 when Lando is introducing the gang to Cloud City.

I do not know why I paid attention to this, I am just bringing it up since we got on the subject of Musical Scores for STAR WARS


Something I would like to randomly bring up though is that I have noticed people online saying the Obi Wan / AniVader fight was just for glimmer and eye candy. I have this statement to provide my case on why the Obi Wan / AniVader fight is actually the best fight in STAR WARS


The point of the twirly-thing was that they both were looking for a point of attack and couldn't find one until they both went for the SAME one - resulting in a saber lock, which prompted both to attempt a force push, which also happened simultaneously. (Anakin and Obi-Wan often do similar twirly spins into attacks - it re-forms your grip while you look for the perfect strike zone.)

The overall point was the tragedy of how well they new each other's styles and how similar they could be.

It should be obvious.
Jar Jar Binks: If me be returnin, the Bosses will do terrible things to me! Tewwwwible things!
Qui-Gon Jinn: Do you hear that?
[a rumbling is heard in the distance]
Jar Jar Binks: Yeah.
Qui-Gon Jinn: That is the sound of a thousand terrible things headed this way.
Obi-Wan: If they find us, they will crush us, grind us into TINY pieces and BLAST us into oblivion!