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Originally posted by: Bossk
Hey! Congrats, m'man! How far along?
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
First of all, congrats HotRod...
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Originally posted by: Starboy
1) giving alien races cultural accents rather than language. Having Threepio translate Artoo, and Han repeat back to Chewie everything he said was genius. It worked so well. Because there's so few subtitles, you don't notice as much, but much of the original trilogy was communicated without English. Both new movies fail here, it's either cultural accents (mexican for the junk shop dealer, vaudeville for the announcer, Japanese for the trade federation) or subtitles, and the universe isn't as good.
2) contrived settings. Why the crap is Amidala holding an audience in full dress on her transport ship, to "commend" a droid? Doesn't make sense. And so forth. Doesn't feel natural.
3) obviously the script was written in "higher language." Anakin and Padme don't use contractions very much, for example. However, they still behave and act like normal people you'd see in a TV mini-series. This disconnect makes the whole thing feel unnatural and forced. If you don't have Sir Alec Guinness, you can't expect a shakespearean performance so don't write shakespearean.
4) the movies rush along to endpoints. Lucas is trying to get from Old Republic to the start of A New Hope. He has certain conditions to be met, and the movie seems to be driven by navigating from condition to condition (war, empire, anakin to vader, marraige so that luke and leia can be born...) rather than unfolding naturally. It's a tough situation to be in, and it seems to be too much for Lucas. Again, they feel unnatural.
That being said, as I get used to them, the movies get better. I liked AOTC just because it was exciting. Going back to TPM, I realized there were just a few sticking points ("ye gods" - jarjar (hello? gods? in this universe? it hurt me., midichlorians, "there was no father", "are you an angel?", the attack planning scene with stilted dialogue) and the rest of the movie plugs along pretty well. Like my four points above, AOTC suffers from most of the same problems. A few less major sticking points, but still forced. In the end, it was a fun romp with an exciting battle and tie-together, with a good lead in to the next movie, so I left happy.
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My first realization was that because of the Star Wars name, I had expectations which led me to dislike the movies. Later I also realized that without the Star Wars name, I would have watched them once, enjoyed them, and never thought of them again.
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Originally posted by: Bossk
What about the second hand smoke inhaled by your wife in the meantime?
"Uhhh... honey? That's not the baby kicking, that's the baby hacking up a prenatal lung."
Sorry, bad one.
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Hey, don't forget "are you an angel?"
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
chill out room?? joints???
if hotrod doesnt have a lava lamp in there i owe you all $20...
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Hey, don't forget "are you an angel?"
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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac
So was that $20 each or do we all have to share?
I think the question of "which film is better TPM or AOTC?' is akin to 'which tastes better horseshit or dogshit?'
Either way it's still a pile of shit in your mouth.
For me I'd say that from a film making and narrative standpoint TPM emerges as the slightly better product. It's a more cohesive whole where AOTC feels like it was slammed together out of the poorly shot leftover parts of something better and edited by a Rhesus monkey with ADHD.
Not that TPM is in any way an enjoyable experience but it's a slightly preferable one, like having to choose the method of one's own execution.
I realise that in some ways AOTC is trying to pander to what it expects a Star Wars fanbase would like to see but I feel it does this at the expense of the narrative and characters. It's a bit like Star Wars porn; poorly written badly acted scene, ACTION, ACTION, MONEY-SHOT, *wipe*, atrociously written disinterestedly acted scene, MORE ACTION, MORE MONEY-SHOTS!! *wipe*.
Maybe I'm just a jaded OT fan who invested too much significance in the minutiae of films I saw in my youth in the late seventies and early eighties or maybe I know what I'm on about and George Lucas should never be allowed near the business end of a pencil, let alone standing behind a camera attempting to direct actors.
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Originally posted by: Jedi Master DJR
1. Do you think a negative opinion of the prequals is influenced by the explictly negative opinions you find on EVERY message board in some form or another?
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2. Conversely, do you think going to more GL-support site message boards like TFN or watching alot of documentry material by Mr. Lucas influences positive opinions of the prequals?
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3. For fans in the middle, do you think the combination of extreme opinions on both sides inclines them more to stay on the fence?
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4. For those who do not like the prequals only, do you buy the DVD's?
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And finally for what I can think of right now,
5. Do you think the impact of the theatrical box office and how many DVD's and VHS of both The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones have been sold has been primarily written off as "hype", dismissed, or other wise not discussed or considered that much?
Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here, this is the war room!
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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac
So was that $20 each or do we all have to share?
I think the question of "which film is better TPM or AOTC?' is akin to 'which tastes better horseshit or dogshit?'
Either way it's still a pile of shit in your mouth.
For me I'd say that from a film making and narrative standpoint TPM emerges as the slightly better product. It's a more cohesive whole where AOTC feels like it was slammed together out of the poorly shot leftover parts of something better and edited by a Rhesus monkey with ADHD.
Not that TPM is in any way an enjoyable experience but it's a slightly preferable one, like having to choose the method of one's own execution.
I realise that in some ways AOTC is trying to pander to what it expects a Star Wars fanbase would like to see but I feel it does this at the expense of the narrative and characters. It's a bit like Star Wars porn; poorly written badly acted scene, ACTION, ACTION, MONEY-SHOT, *wipe*, atrociously written disinterestedly acted scene, MORE ACTION, MORE MONEY-SHOTS!! *wipe*.
Maybe I'm just a jaded OT fan who invested too much significance in the minutiae of films I saw in my youth in the late seventies and early eighties or maybe I know what I'm on about and George Lucas should never be allowed near the business end of a pencil, let alone standing behind a camera attempting to direct actors.