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So what exactly are you a fan of?

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It's not as simple to say "I'm a Star Wars fan." There are so many countless facets of Star Wars, that you have to be specific if you want others to get a good idea of your preferances.

I love ANH & ESB. With ANH, I choose Adywan's edit, and for ESB, I'm stuck with the official Special Edition right now.

I'm an active detractor of ROTJ.

I dislike the PT, and will likely never watch any of those three let-downs again.

I've been optimistic about Star Wars: The Clone Wars since before its premiere on Cartoon Network, and it payed off. I really enjoy the series.

"Fuck you. All the star wars movies were excellent. none of them sucked. Also, revenge of the sith is the best."

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Well I think ALL 3 of the OOT movies are masterpeices, yes including ROTJ. I'm sick of people denouncing ROTJ like it is the OT ugly duckling. It was great. Just as good as the first two. I don't pay attention to any of the other SW stuff out there. 

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Janskeet said:

Well I think ALL 3 of the OOT movies are masterpeices, yes including ROTJ. I'm sick of people denouncing ROTJ like it is the OT ugly duckling. It was great. Just as good as the first two. I don't pay attention to any of the other SW stuff out there. 

I agree on ROTJ.

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My list, in the order I was exposed to it in life,

I am a fan of all three OOT movies, ROTJ very much included. For me it is original or nothing, I don't watch the SE or any fanedits of it. Adywan's stuff is kind of fun to watch once or twice, but it would never come anywhere close to replacing the real thing.

I love a lot of the old games, spent countless hours playing them, Star Wars and The Empire Strikes back for the NES, X-Wing, Tie Fighter, Dark Forces, and yes, even Rebel Assault 1 and 2.

When I crack open an old mid nineties issue of Insider or Star Wars Galaxies and see all those ads for (then) upcoming novels, comics books and other merchandise, it reminds me how much I really loved some of that stuff back then. To me, back in the nineties the good far out weighed the bad. I don't see the need to hate it all just because some of it sucked. So many fans give the Trawn trilogy a hard time because it has Luke drink a cup of hot chocolate. Yeah, sure, that wasn't the best idea to include a popular earth drink in the book, but it was hardly a major plot point and very easy to ignore considering the series was as good as it was.

I enjoyed some of the comic books as well. Particularly the stuff that had to do with other facets of the galaxy other than the Empire, the Rebellion, the New Republic, or the Jedi. There was a one-shot Tales From Mos Eisley comic book which I thought was fantastic, it was a collection of short little Twilight Zone esque stories told by patrons of the Cantina. I loved them, because the only thing they had to do with Star Wars, was they took place in that universe.

I really liked the Dark Horse Droids comic books too, for much the same reason as the above, it showed a whole new perspective of the SW galaxy, that of a young boy rich boy (R2 and 3-PO are his care takers) whose parents own a company that builds space ships, and are trapped in a fued with a dangerous and dishonest rival. No Empire, no Jedi, good stuff. Didn't care too much for the later issues though, the first six part arc was the best. 

Boba Fett is the other comic series I liked a lot. It wasn't the Boba Fett we knew from the movies (though we really didn't know him that well anyway), and if the second issue was not humorously titled "When the Fat Lady Swings" (showing a picture of large brute of a creature swinging an axe Boba Fett on the cover), and if I had not found it in a bargain bin for 99 cents, I never would have even considered reading them. I ended up liking that first one I bought well enough that I went ahead and nabbed the first and third issues, as well as a few other one-shot Fett comics, which turned out not to be very good.

 

For me, the EU stuff started to get old and I began loosing interest in the late nineties, and by the 00's I really had no interest in Star Wars at all beyond a few video games, an eventual DVD release of the original trilogy (which, being the GOUT, barely turned out worth waiting for), and the two upcoming prequels (which didn't turn out to be worth waiting for).

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Janskeet said:

Well I think ALL 3 of the OOT movies are masterpeices, yes including ROTJ. I'm sick of people denouncing ROTJ like it is the OT ugly duckling. It was great. Just as good as the first two. I don't pay attention to any of the other SW stuff out there. 

 

Hang around me for a while, then. You'll be throwing up quite often.

It was "great" to you. Which sounds ridiculous to me, since to me, it sucked.

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1977

 

1981

 

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1979

 

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Ah, yes. How could I forget? The radio dramas. They're on my list. As are the old Marvel comics. Though I'm not finished with Volume 1 of the Dark Horse re-release of them.

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I am a fan of the original undestroyed trilogy (although the 2004 version of ESB Isn't too bad).

RotJ, most of all. the whole trilogy builds up to it, which is why I believe the undestroyed version is absolutely essential for the complete and satisfying experiance.

before our efforts here forced lucas to suck it up and respect what and who got him where he is, I couldn't enjoy Star Wars at all because the UDT RotJ was condemned to rotting VHS and Laserdisc.

 

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The 1977 version of Star Wars (I'm also fine with the 1981 version w/the revised scroll).

The 1980 version of The Empire Strikes Back.

The 1983 version of Return Of The Jedi.

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Star Wars 77 Empire 80 Jedi 83. Simplicity itself. And sooner or later, I will have it! (either LFL does it legally or someone, probably someone around here, comes up with a killer bootleg of the original or a close enough original-ish version)

 

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Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi, plain and simple.  Star Wars is my favorite movie of all-time, Empire is my favorite sequel of all-time, and the OOT is my favorite trilogy of all-time.  Come on George, put the OOT out on Bluray and I will defend you like I did from 1977-96!

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1977, 1981, 1983. I like some EU but on the whole could take it or leave it - most of the EU I like is from 1993-2000. I enjoyed the "Droids" cartoons, and of course several video games - Rogue Squadron I and II and KOTOR, most notably.

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The OOT. Plus the Marvel comics. Some of the more recent EU is good, but it's not terribly important to me. Also, Liam Neeson's performance in The Phantom Menace, even if the film wasn't proper Star Wars and his character was one of these uptight goody-goody prequel-era Jedi.

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How was Qui-Gon a goody-goody Jedi? He was one of the few willing to directly defy the council to their faces and go his own route in life.

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Going his own route doesn't mean he wasn't one of these goody-goodies the prequel era was full of. You could see him trying so hard at being this moral wisey wisey nicey nicey Jedi. Alec Guinness's Kenobi never made that sort of effort.

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"moral wisey wisey nicey nicey"

o_O ..... Moral? He was a disgruntled idealist. He was definitely one of the grayer Jedi. Wise? Somewhat. Nice? Partly, but I wouldn't say overall.

He blatantly cheated in the dice game with Watto. A goody-goody would've accepted fair play all around.

Qui-Gon was like the only one who reflected what the audience thought of Jar-Jar ("the ability to speak does not make you intelligent") and kept him in line (catching his tongue at the dinner table). A goody-goody would've probably smiled and played along with the antics, or acted like Jar-Jar was just like everyone else.

He cut off one of Obi-Wan's comradey joke to him about Anakin ("another pathetic life form") A goody-goody would've said something like "I think you'll see that he's a great kid once you get to know him!"

He was more than willing to draw lines with the queen ("no more orders from your highness today") A goody-goody would've said "Okay" right off the bat.

The only thing close to a "goody goody" in the PT was Lloyd's Anakin.

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Qui Gon was the former jedi turned sith Lord Count Dooku's apprentice.  Therefore i think he was a lot more loose with Jedi ethics. 

He probably also new anakin would turn to the darkside but seeing the bigger picture was also the one who brought balance to the force by doing away with the sith.  If millions of innocents and thousands of his jedi brethren died along the way it was the will of the living force.

Qui Gon is directly or indirectly repsponsible for the fall of the republic and the rise of the empire.

Don't forget if he did not take anakin from tatooine to be trained anakin probably would have never become a monster like vader, but Luke and Leia probably would not have been born.  He would have eventually been freed as a slave along with his mother by Cliegg Lars and ended up a moisture farmer.

The jedi are flawed in oh so many ways according to the prequels.  Because Yoda was Dookus master and he was yodas padawan.  Qui gon was dookus student.  Obi wan Was qui gons student and anakin was obi's.

Dooku and Anakin both fell to the sith because of flawed training and poor teaching by their masters.


Another irony of the prequels is palpatine needed Jar Jar's help to get those immergency powers that allowed him eventually to kill off the jedi and overthrow the republic.

Jar Jar being a weak minded fool was mind controlled by sidious.

He was supposed to act in Padme's stead when she was away under protection to prevent the war act, instead he did what she did not want.

At the same time Padme has to be the dumbest and most naive person ever to think backwater retard binks up to the task of being a senator from naboo.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Vaderisnothayden said:

Going his own route doesn't mean he wasn't one of these goody-goodies the prequel era was full of. You could see him trying so hard at being this moral wisey wisey nicey nicey Jedi. Alec Guinness's Kenobi never made that sort of effort.

 

 notice he tried to free Anakin's mother, (and logically, bring her with them) which totally went against the Jedi's rules of attatchment. I think Qui-gon knew what would happen to the Jedi if they didn't change, and his death prevented him from introducing that renassiance (the role which eventually fell to Luke.)

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Blackjack, do you watch AVGN?

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yeah, but I think the Nostalgia Critic's funnier.

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I'm the other way around.

"Fuck you. All the star wars movies were excellent. none of them sucked. Also, revenge of the sith is the best."

- DarthZorgon (YouTube)

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DarkFather said:

"moral wisey wisey nicey nicey"

o_O ..... Moral? He was a disgruntled idealist. He was definitely one of the grayer Jedi. Wise? Somewhat. Nice? Partly, but I wouldn't say overall.

He blatantly cheated in the dice game with Watto. A goody-goody would've accepted fair play all around.

Qui-Gon was like the only one who reflected what the audience thought of Jar-Jar ("the ability to speak does not make you intelligent") and kept him in line (catching his tongue at the dinner table). A goody-goody would've probably smiled and played along with the antics, or acted like Jar-Jar was just like everyone else.

He cut off one of Obi-Wan's comradey joke to him about Anakin ("another pathetic life form") A goody-goody would've said something like "I think you'll see that he's a great kid once you get to know him!"

He was more than willing to draw lines with the queen ("no more orders from your highness today") A goody-goody would've said "Okay" right off the bat.

The only thing close to a "goody goody" in the PT was Lloyd's Anakin.

Those arguments fail to take into consideration the actual way the character came across. It's not just what he did, it's the psychology and mentality of how he did what he did and how it came across. Compare him to Alex Guinness's Kenobi. That Kenobi is so much more relaxed and at ease. He's not so pushed to be a good guy. He just is what he is.

Yes Qui Gon acted pushed to be moral. So what if he cut a few corners here or there or was harsher in some places, he still comes off as a character very much caught up in his moral code.

And It's also pretty clear that your definition of a goody goody is different from mine. Yet again, you're arguing with me based on totally misunderstanding what I'm saying. I don't see what's the point of that. We're talking about two totally different things.

And just because Qui Gon is not as mind-bogglingly uptight and rigidly moral as some of the other Jedi doesn't mean he wasn't still a goody-goody with a conspicuous moral hangup.

I know subtleties can be hard to see, but please try.

As for your last sentence, you need to take another look at the prequel Jedi and Padme and various other characters.

 

 

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Janskeet said:

Well I think ALL 3 of the OOT movies are masterpeices, yes including ROTJ. I'm sick of people denouncing ROTJ like it is the OT ugly duckling. It was great. Just as good as the first two. I don't pay attention to any of the other SW stuff out there. 

 

Hang around me for a while, then. You'll be throwing up quite often.

It was "great" to you. Which sounds ridiculous to me, since to me, it sucked.

Well ROTJ is currently #110 on the imdb top 250.  So statistically many more people agree with me than with you. Why did you not like it? I don't think it was that out of line from the previous two movies like the prequels were and since I first saw it when I was twelve it was always pretty much what I expected the conclusion of the story to be like. Was it just the superficial stuff like the ewoks and Jabba or was it more like the cinematic elements like the pacing, editing, and cinematography?

 

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skyjedi2005 said:

At the same time Padme has to be the dumbest and most naive person ever to think backwater retard binks up to the task of being a senator from naboo.

 

Making Jar Jar a senator was incredibly dumb and is down to the general dumbness of the prequels.

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DarkFather said:

I'm the other way around.

 I don't know, anybody who can make a video about the saddest childhood nostalgic moments and make me laugh my ass off is a winner in my book.

 

Of course, I often quote the AGVN on the IMDB boards to express my feelings about the destroyed versions of the Original Trilogy.