I remember the cheapness of the film, a lot of the matte paintings were obvious, filming in a forest, Gammon Guards looked rubbish with their rubbery fingers bending back as they pushed Han & Luke before Jabba......but I still prefer ROTJ to any of the Prequels.
J
FWIW, ROTJ is and always has been my favorite of the three.
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I rate them:
Star Wars/ Empire
Jedi
The Prequels
Bingowings said:
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Luke returns to complete his training (we are lead to believe this is the first time he has seen Yoda since rushing off to 'save' his friends, therefore he has had days of training not years).
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I was under the impression that Luke's training (and Han/Leia/3P0/Chewie's journey in the MF) had been several months long.
"Bespin...it's pretty far, but I think we can make it"
-Han Solo, TESB
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It's never really clear how much time passes. But it doesn't seem to be that long.
I wonder how much time it was in parsecs?
Parsecs measure distance, not time!
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georgec said:
I wonder how much time it was in parsecs?
12?
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A 'first' timer review of ROTJ (& links for ANH, ESB and ep 1)
http://collider.com/return-of-the-jedi-review/212105/
J
Without the Vader-Luke stuff, ROTJ hasn't a leg to stand on - and that stuff is still pretty iffy itself (Palpatine's method of converting Luke to his side is pure pants).
It's made more pants by the PT.
LUKE : The dark side, is it stronger?
YODA : No! Easier, more seductive... But when you with a Sith Lord fight make sure rubber soles you wear... when think you have won shoot lightning out of the hands they do...sneaky.
Bingowings said:
One friend of mine refused to watch the VHS with me when it came out but would watch the first two which I thought was a bit pointless.
I have no trouble to understand the choice by your friend, ROTJ was IMO an insult and a joke to the audience who expected a real continuation and sequel to ESB. I don't find it pointless to only rewatch those films I do like even if that film have an open ending. I personally find it a bit pointless to repeatedly watch something you don't like only because it's a sequel to a film or a series of films you happen to like.
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But the audience did get a sequel to TESB. The tone was different, yes, but no more or less than the change in tone from ANH to TESB.
In answer to the original question, ROTJ has never been less regarded than Episode II, but maybe on par with ROTS. The difference though is that ROTJ is still considered a classic, while Episode III is not. Part of that is because ROTJ is connected to Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back, while Sith is connected to Phantom Menace and Attacks of the Clones. It's not in good company. If you read the reviews and remember audience reaction they are pretty close to being even though.
I prefer to go with my own opinion, which is that ROTS was the best of the prequels and I remember the review from Empire (do you know that magazine?) which said something to the effect of "oh, for the confident, self-assured Lucas who directed ROTS to go back and tackle TPM and AOTC again" such was their opinion of how good that film is.
I agree that ROTS was regarded as BY FAR the best of the prequels.
The problem is that the prequels were badly regarded, so it's like being in first place of the losers. Jedi on the other hand is in last place of the winners. Their review scores are actually not that different, but like I said, Jedi is in good company and is seen as a classic, while Sith is not. I think if there was no Episode I and II and Revenge of the Sith was released as a stand-alone prequel to the OT it would have been lumped in there the way Jedi sort of is, but such is not the case.
I'm not entirely sure what you're basing that on - I mean, regarded by whom? The general populace? Star Wars fans as a whole? Fans of the original trilogy? Fans of the original trilogy on the internet? Fans of the original trilogy on this site?
As the group diminishes so does the capacity for anything approaching a broad-minded view, you see.
Any opinions on Star Wars to which I give any credence are those from the target age group. Given that kids of my son's generation are of the Clone Wars generation, I don't know what they think of the prequels, much less the original films, so I don't really have any basis on which I can make sweeping statements about the prequels I'm afraid.
Easterhay said:
I'm not entirely sure what you're basing that on - I mean, regarded by whom? The general populace? Star Wars fans as a whole? Fans of the original trilogy? Fans of the original trilogy on the internet? Fans of the original trilogy on this site?
As the group diminishes so does the capacity for anything approaching a broad-minded view, you see.
Any opinions on Star Wars to which I give any credence are those from the target age group. Given that kids of my son's generation are of the Clone Wars generation, I don't know what they think of the prequels, much less the original films, so I don't really have any basis on which I can make sweeping statements about the prequels I'm afraid.
Any idea who you are talking to?
Yes, thanks. Any particular reason you're asking?
Am I the only one who thinks ROTS is actually even more horrible than AOTC?
TPM was terrible, and they just got worse and worse.
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Easterhay said:
I'm not entirely sure what you're basing that on - I mean, regarded by whom? The general populace? Star Wars fans as a whole? Fans of the original trilogy? Fans of the original trilogy on the internet? Fans of the original trilogy on this site?
As the group diminishes so does the capacity for anything approaching a broad-minded view, you see.
Any opinions on Star Wars to which I give any credence are those from the target age group. Given that kids of my son's generation are of the Clone Wars generation, I don't know what they think of the prequels, much less the original films, so I don't really have any basis on which I can make sweeping statements about the prequels I'm afraid.
This would assume that Star Wars has a target audience. It doesn't. Because if it's kids, then all that darkness and political discussion makes it a failure. If it's adults, then all that Jar Jar and fart jokes also makes it a failure. I think it's pretty common knowledge that the original films had a lot of adult fans as much as they had kid fans. After all, who the heck was nominating Star Wars for best picture at the 1978 Academy Awards? Not elementary school children. If you propose that George Lucas was targeting elementary school children exclusively with Episode I, then the film represents a significant break in form and focus compared to the other entries and therefore open to criticism, and number two is a terrible example of a kids film for all the adult aspect like senate debates and philosophical discussions.
The opinion I am basing this on is not seven year olds, true, but then Pokemon would be the Shakespear of modern times if I did that so why are we having this discussion as adults?
What a silly remark to say this is one person versus another. Grow up.
I maintain that TPM has a target audience and it's not me - I have no idea how old you are, zombie, but I think I'm safe in saying you weren't six when the film came out, so that puts you out of the target audience, too. And for that reason - as I've said elsewhere - yes, those political scenes do fail. They fail completely, just as similar dialogue in A New Hope fails (but that line from Tarkin about the dissolution of The Senate is quickly forgotten about because it doesn't take up twenty minutes of the bloomin' film). And apart from the final 45 minutes of AOTC, there's not much for the kids there at all - indeed, when my son first started watching that movie, he would always start at the Conveyor Belt scene.
And all the Oscar nominations are made by adults, whatever the film so I'm not sure where you're going with that reasoning.
Well, I dunno, I was 13 when the film came out and I really liked it. I feel like I was actually the perfect demographic--I was old enough to follow the political scenes, but young enough to still laugh at fart jokes. And when I put 2 and 2 together and realized Sidious is Palpatine it blew my mind because I felt like I had done the work to solve a puzzle, even though it was obvious to adult fans.
And like I said: I still like the film. I think I might be one of the only people here that will admit that. It's a film most people don't like, but maybe because I was enough of a kid but also enough of an adult that something clicked with me.
But saying it should appeal to six year olds means nothing. Six year olds don't have sophisticated tastes. But the rest of the series is mostly made to have it both ways: entertaining kids with graphics and actions, while stimulating adults with realistic characters and an interesting story. And, of course, there is cross-over, since adults are entertained by the effects and kids pick up on the better-than-average story.
And quiet georgec! LOL, me and Easterhay just have a couple hours to kill and are posting at the same time.
But no, the excuse--because that's what it is, not an explanation but an excuse--that it is for kids is a total cop-out. If it's all for kids, then why the hell do millions of adults love the originals? It's not just nostalgia, or they'd be wanking off to every crappy show from their childhood like Time Tunnel.
I wouldn't undermine the taste of children so glibly.
I don't recall any adults when I was a kid watching Star Wars every time it came on the tv but certainly kids my age never missed a showing; the reason so many adults now like the films is simply because they would have seen those movies at an age when such things would have affected them profoundly - ie when they were kids. Same as having stories like Hansel And Gretel read to you as a child, it lives with you forever simply because it's such a good story. Would you think to pick up a book of fairy tales as an adult, though, if you hadn't been exposed to them when you were younger? I dare say not.
Anyway, I'm forty and I have yet to grow old of fart gags.
Well, part of the reason kids are so into it compared to adults is because they have the time to be into it. If you are an adult, you have a wife or husband, you have kids of your own, you have a job and a mortgage, so when you only have 2 hours a night where those things don't require any more attention, you may just enjoy having a beer and watching the hockey game on TV (is this an insight into Canadian mentality or what?). So no wonder kids are more into TV shows and comics and video games. I think I love all those things way more than kids do, because here I am as an adult with adult responsibilities and yet I still make the time for stupid things like that. Kids have the time for those things by default. So if a movie is on TV that they like they can watch it, while guys like us have more important things to do. That's one of the tragedies of growing up, but nonetheless....