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Originally posted by: GlopOfGrease
Saw Sin City yesterday and think it is the best movie I'v seen since City of God.


Considering how great a flick City of God was, that's some high praise. Hmm...
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that was good, i read a few of the other ones that were on there as well

found the last line in this one particularly interesting http://www.bbspot.com/News/2002/05/spiderman2.html

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That came from an April Fool's joke, and they meant Spider-Man 3 not 2...lol. How a simple typo can ruin someone's joke! At least I didn't fall for Peter Jackson's 'Son of Kong' joke like many websites and one of my friends did.
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Originally posted by: GlopOfGrease
Saw Sin City yesterday and think it is the best movie I'v seen since City of God.


Never seen City of God, however I thought Sin City was very good. Rosario Dawson...grrrrrrrrrrr! Miller's a genius, although some of the dialogue rang of Dark Knight Returns at times.
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Definitely check out City of God. Spectacular flick.

Well, I guess it's not so bad a thing that Sin City rang reminiscent of Dark Knight Returns. Could be worse things.

And yes, Rosario Dawson ...
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I put City of God on my top ten films of all time. Sin City is not quite there, but it is better than anything I've seen in the past two years. Only Eternal Sunshine had come close. When everyone else is triumphing the latest intelletual picture, big epic, or biopic as the best of the year, I'll be reminding everyone about this visual masterpiece.

I was serious about thinking that Elijah Wood looks like Tobey Maguire in the movie. He looks like him, has the Peter Parker glasses(although I would guess that is from the Sin City comic as well), and seems to be imitating Maguire's goofy trademark smile. Am I the only one that thinks this?
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Originally posted by: GlopOfGrease
I put City of God on my top ten films of all time. Sin City is not quite there, but it is better than anything I've seen in the past two years. Only Eternal Sunshine had come close. When everyone else is triumphing the latest intelletual picture, big epic, or biopic as the best of the year, I'll be reminding everyone about this visual masterpiece.

I was serious about thinking that Elijah Wood looks like Tobey Maguire in the movie. He looks like him, has the Peter Parker glasses(although I would guess that is from the Sin City comic as well), and seems to be imitating Maguire's goofy trademark smile. Am I the only one that thinks this?


Spoiler alert!! Don't continue reading if you don't want a spoiler!!







Wood's character, to put it as they do in Texas: He needed killin'... (only state where that's a legal defense)
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Ok, I just saw it and I was amazed at how closely that the movie followed the graphic novels, aside from some bits and pieces it was panel by panel exactly what Frank Miller drew and wrote.

Although that isn't too big of a surprise considering he is the "co-director."

I must agree with the previous poster, this is definitely one of the greatest movies within the last two years.
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I just saw it today.

I thought it was... Er. Strange. Kind of sadistic. Kind of perverted.

Still not as bad as Kill Bill. When I saw the credit "Speical Guest Director Quentin Tarantino" I thought "Oh Crap." Really I think the only thing that made me hate it less than Kill Bill was a few likeable protagonists. Britany Murphy's character, Jessica Alba's, and Bruce Willis's. And most of the action scenes had a purpose.

Certainly not a great movie by anymeans, but decent if you can stomach a lot of gore.

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Or if you are a fan of Frank Miller, which Chaltab apparently is not because this is a FM fan's dream come true.
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Yes, and arguably one of the finest talents in the industry, with an iconoclastic style and a rather grim worldview. Tim Burton's first Batman film borrowed elements from Miller's seminal The Dark Knight Returns, but TDKR would have been a better movie.

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See, that is why I'm not a Frank Miller fan; I don't read graphic novels.

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That's a shame. You're missing out.

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After the moive, the Graphic novels of Sin City don't really interest me.

The reason I can't get into comic books is all of the restarts and remakes over the years. I have no idea where to start. I've been looking for the latest Teen Titans comic before the cartoon show. I found it, but not in graphic novel form, and there is no way I'm sifting through a bunch of back issues with no idea where it began.

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Just finished now finished watching it for the third time

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You went back to see it again? Twice? And not having your memory wiped first?

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He could have had a bootleg.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
After the moive, the Graphic novels of Sin City don't really interest me.

The reason I can't get into comic books is all of the restarts and remakes over the years. I have no idea where to start. I've been looking for the latest Teen Titans comic before the cartoon show. I found it, but not in graphic novel form, and there is no way I'm sifting through a bunch of back issues with no idea where it began.


I agree with you, being a former comic book junkie and comic store manager, that things can greatly get confusing because of what you mentioned, but just like movies, anime, video games, etc there are always exceptions: Sin City is one. Miller is the only one in control of it and he has written it as a series of stand-alone stories. Yes, the stories intersect but basically just because they're set in the same city. This isn't an example of Teen Titans or X-Men or whatever in which a different group of creators and/or editors take over in almost every issue. The focus (at least as I last saw it) of these big comic companies is to attract temporary new readers by constantly re-inventing themselves. Kinda like Lucas, kinda like watching Looney Tune characters play basketball, etc... there is a point at which the 'idea' is lost and 'product' takes over. Then again, all of us in some ways are responsible for feeding this system. Lord knows I have my share of crappy merchandise from various properties.

As for Sin City, if you don't like gritty crime noir and over-the-top violence then it will never be for you. That's not a bad thing as we all have our tastes. I dig Miller's stuff as a whole, and think his 'Sin City' work has been extremely entertaining. Just don't write off comics wholesale just because they seem confusing. A *good* comic store worker will be able to help identify your tastes with you and be able to suggest stories for you to read. A *bad* (typical) comic store employee or bookstore employee is like a Blockbuster Video employee- they don't know anything about the product they sell and they can't suggest anything beyond whatever has come out new that week.

I enjoyed 'Sin City' the film, but in an odd way it was almost *too* perfect an interpretation of the comic- having read the stories so many times, I found myself- after the novelty of seeing the characters move around on screen- almost wanting a bit more. Sounds funny, I know.

Oh and yes, there are.. ahem... *other* ways to have seen it again after initially seeing it in the theatre... not that *I'd* know...
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Oh, I was never inferring that you had any knowledge of *ahem* clandestine digital duplicates of newly released endeavors of cinematic prowess.
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LOL. Is greencapt into that sort of thing?

Anyway, I see what your're saying. Still, I don't think making a 'perfect' adaptation of the novels should have gotten in the way of making a good film. Too much homaging and over-the-top gore completely killed Kill Bill. (No pun inteneded) I think Miller should have made the best movie possible first, and appealed tohis fans second, because quite frankly there are more movie fans than Miller fans in the world.
Pretty much the same movie could have been made without being so explicit about Kevin being a canible, without so many hooker's. It was way to over the top.

Also, it was a bit inconsistent. Do these people have super-powers or not? One minute a guy busts through the winshield of a moving cop-car with his feet, and living through being shot by a submachin gun. And then in the next segment the Mercs expect a single bullet to kill the guy and only the cop's badge saves him?

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no, no, no.... but I did have a *friend* who once saw a *friend's* copy of a movie that happened to still be in theatres...

I heard an interview with Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez today on NPR, which made an interesting point: Because three of the stand-alone 'Sin City' stories were strung together into one movie, Robert Rodriguez acknowledged that the situations/gore/violence might seem a bit disproportional. And I think he's right. All the 'Sin City' tales are violent, but each has a sort of pinnacle that it leads up to to set its tone. So when they're overlapped it plays a bit oddly. Interestingly still, I had read in another interview that the few things from the comic that didn't make the final cut had in fact been filmed (Peter Jackson anyone) and that upon release on DVD the viewer would have the option of watching any one of the three tales by itself. I think I'd like that better really.

I'll assume (not in a bad way) that you've probably not read any novels by Daschell Hammet or Raymond Chandler, Chaltab. These are the hard-boiled crime tales that Miller set out to pay homage to, if even to possibly parody at times. The 'bullet logic' is no different than most film/novels/etc- the villains usually can't aim worth a damn and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn (stormtroopers, John Woo villains, many video game villains) but the hero is a crack shot or can take a bullet like it doesn't even phase them. There's no more realism to be had in the world of 'Sin City' than there is in most crime fiction. Characters are meant to invoke emotion through their dedication and raw intent, and Miller chooses to portray the two most basic human drives... sex and violence. There's even a salvation/morality play (of sorts) in each of the tales. That said, though no one has 'super powers' in his universe, the character of Marv is not so much human as 'human instinct'; Marv is all that is ugly in humans but can still find that silve lining... a thing that touches his shrivelled heart and makes him want to do one redemptive thing before his inevitable demise. He can do 'super human' things because his humanity is all but lost.

Plus violence is just fun! (just kidding)

As for the character of Kevin being a cannibal, I go back to the 'read it seperately' thing. Kevin is the big reveal in the Marv tale. He's the one that switches your mind from thinking Marv is just psycho to thinking- Marv lives in a pretty messed up world and is actually pretty decent compared to the things that lurk out there. Plus, I like Miller's juxtaposition of have the 'normal' looking calm guy be the really crazy mutha! And one scene I missed in the Marv story is a bit where he goes home and crashes at his mother's house and you see another layer of his hidden niceness. I imagine that'll be on the DVD as well.

Boy, I'm rambling today... must not have had enough caffeine!
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I thought the whole cannibalism angle was handled quite tastefully, since we never see Kevin actually eating. As for the over-the-top violence, if you're familiar with Rodriguez, Miller or Tarantino at all, you know what to expect. Still can't believe it got an R in Alberta (the equivalent of an NC-17 in the US), as did Saw and House of 1000 Corpses. An 18A would've sufficed.

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I thought the whole cannibalism angle was handled quite tastefully.


ROFLMAO!!!!!
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The female heads mounted on the wall was a bit disturbing..

Also, can someone explain to me why they had to say Marv's Parole officer was a lesbian... I mean.. I don't see how that adds anything to her character's motiviations and, since they used a rather... derogitory term to describe it, really all it does is to serve to make the women in the audiecne even more uncomfortable than they already are.

Plus it embarrased the crap out of me, considering that it was me who reccomended seeing it to my dad. And he just had to bring his girlfriend and her son. Which only made it worse.

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Plus it embarrased the crap out of me, considering that it was me who reccomended seeing it to my dad. And he just had to bring his girlfriend and her son. Which only made it worse.


Well that was pretty friggin' stupid now, wasn't it? Why would you recommend it sight unseen? Especially since you knew nothing about it?

Aye aye aye.

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