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Should the Prequels be more included into the franchise going forward? — Page 5

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SilverWook said:

CatBus said:

SilverWook said:

Where was it said non Jedi ever used sabers?

Han beat a dead Tauntaun with one, and considered slicing up a net with one (which is really all your average person could accomplish today with a cutlass). And if you’re including the ST, Finn actually fought with one.

Historically speaking as opposed to carrying another type of laser weapon. If laser swords are all the galaxy had as hand weaponry “for a thousand generations”, then technological development in the Star Wars universe took a very strange path.
The Jedi are supposed to be like Samurai. They probably had swords with physical blades early in their history.

I’d always pictured the Jedi as kinda like engineers who still use sliderules. There is no doubt that sliderules are cool (in an engineering sense). There is no doubt that they can be used to solve a surprisingly wide array of today’s problems quickly and efficiently in the hands of someone who knows how to use them–skilled sliderule users easily besting casual calculator users both in speed and accuracy. But they are still ultimately a technological dead end (somehow I predict this will be my most controversial statement; some people really love their sliderules).

So Obi-Wan and Luke use sliderules after everyone has calculators, computers, and smartphones. The Jedi who defended the Republic for a thousand years did so with sliderules, even though the Republic also had calculators, computers, and maybe even smartphones. I didn’t take the thousand years statement to mean the progress of technology was slow, but that the Jedi had been around, presumably with with their idiosyncratic tech, for quite a while. And they’re proud of it. It’s possible there was a time before blasters when lightsabers were standard issue weapons for everyone. It’s also possible lightsabers were a custom-created ego project by some Jedi who really liked swords, and they were never actually top-tier weaponry. But that’s going back before there are any references I’d care to use.

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My Dad had a slide rule and a fancy Texas Instruments calculator with many arcane buttons on it. 😉

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Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

My Dad had a slide rule and a fancy Texas Instruments calculator with many arcane buttons on it. 😉

My dad has a 30 year old TI scientific solar calculator. Still works like new today. Had to pay a couple hundred for it back in the day when he was in school. When I was in middle school, I paid about $20 for TI’s modern functional equivalent.

His is much nicer, metal case and all versus the plastic shit you get today. But when the innards cost hundreds, what’s a few bucks more for a nice aluminum case?

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

SilverWook said:

My Dad had a slide rule and a fancy Texas Instruments calculator with many arcane buttons on it. 😉

My dad has a 30 year old TI scientific solar calculator. Still works like new today. Had to pay a couple hundred for it back in the day when he was in school. When I was in middle school, I paid about $20 for TI’s modern functional equivalent.

His is much nicer, metal case and all versus the plastic shit you get today. But when the innards cost hundreds, what’s a few bucks more for a nice aluminum case?

There’s a decent chance I’m your dad.

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Neat!I think this was the one he had.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-30
It did a neat little power down sequence with flashing decimal points if left on unattended. Curiously, there was a small port molded into the side of the case that looked a lot like a phone jack, but nothing actually in there to connect to.

To steer this back towards Star Wars, I saw more than a few homebrew Vader costumes in the early days where the chest plate was an old calculator. 😉

Some of the more exotic calculator designs of the 70’s turned up as props on various SF shows of the era.

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TV’s Frink said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

SilverWook said:

My Dad had a slide rule and a fancy Texas Instruments calculator with many arcane buttons on it. 😉

My dad has a 30 year old TI scientific solar calculator. Still works like new today. Had to pay a couple hundred for it back in the day when he was in school. When I was in middle school, I paid about $20 for TI’s modern functional equivalent.

His is much nicer, metal case and all versus the plastic shit you get today. But when the innards cost hundreds, what’s a few bucks more for a nice aluminum case?

There’s a decent chance I’m your dad.

NNNOOOOOOOOOO! That’s Im-POSS-ible!!!

—Anyone upon hearing that from Fink

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Darth Id said:

TV’s Frink said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

SilverWook said:

My Dad had a slide rule and a fancy Texas Instruments calculator with many arcane buttons on it. 😉

My dad has a 30 year old TI scientific solar calculator. Still works like new today. Had to pay a couple hundred for it back in the day when he was in school. When I was in middle school, I paid about $20 for TI’s modern functional equivalent.

His is much nicer, metal case and all versus the plastic shit you get today. But when the innards cost hundreds, what’s a few bucks more for a nice aluminum case?

There’s a decent chance I’m your dad.

NNNOOOOOOOOOO! That’s Im-POSS-ible!!!

—Anyone upon hearing that from Fink

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If I were “that kid,” I might engage in a little “back-seat-modding” with respect to that move, fink. (cough pic-only post in general section cough)
But really, considering the awesomeness on display—epic Darth Maul cosplay face-tat, super-sweet Real Jason® T-shirt, envy-inducing Dengar MMxSW print—who am I to hold you in contempt for your unintentionally flattering outburst?

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Alderaan said:

Mocata said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Alderaan’s constant bitching about Disney almost makes me feel sympathetic towards Disney.

That might be my favorite gif ever.

Too bad, Disney used to be a good company.

That GIF sums up my feelings for TFA pretty well.

WHAT HAVE I DONE?
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Kenobi: A Star Wars Story
Harry Potter Revisited
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… and more.

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A lesser man would have spun that into an insult.

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CatBus said:

FWIW, I felt TFA had too many PT tie-ins (haven’t seen R1). By “too many”, I mean they were:

  1. not in any way necessary to advance the story or characters, and
  2. more likely to cause a “WTF” reaction from moviegoers who have not committed the PT to memory, which I’d say is a sizeable contingent

As I understand it, there were a few PT references in the film that were just fine–I understand there were flags referencing the PT in one scene, and while those didn’t advance the story or plot, they did not trigger any WTF moments or trip up the viewer–so those are fine by me. On the other hand, needlessly mentioning the Sith (what the hell’s a Sith?) and Clones (weren’t they ancient history at the beginning of Star Wars? Why are they even relevant by the time Episode VII rolls around?)–those just needed to go.

Well, both really go back to 1977. If there was something called the Clone Wars, all references to clones after that is in universe. And back in 1977, when there was no Expanded Universe, just the novel and then the movie (yes, the novel came out first), and all the promotional materials, Vader was know as Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith (http://thestarwarstrilogy.com/starwars/post/2014/07/11/Famous-Monsters-Star-Wars-Spectacular-1977). He was called that so many times that it is part of my earliest memories of Vader. It is how he is introduced in both the novel and the script published in The Art of Star Wars.

So I fail to see how either the word Clone or the word Sith could take out of of a 2015 movie when they both date from 1977. Both are very much OT in origin and were just more prominent in the PT.

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All issues already discussed in far too much detail after the post you quoted.

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Anjohan said:
it might be time to put our egos and judgements to the side, and accept the fact that there are kids out there who - for them - the Prequels are just as important for them as the OT may be for you. Do they not deserve the chance to walk down memory lane with stories and references from their favorite moments?

Our egos and judgements? When did you decide you could speak for the entire board? The people who want the 1977 film properly released have never made any serious suggestions that fans of the prequels should be denied the films they like. Which, by the way, isn’t an issue. The prequels are readily available in several formats.

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ray_afraid said:

Anjohan said:

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Anjohan said:

the prequels, do they really deserve to be forgotten acts of the past?

Yes.

But can you say the same about this statement: the fact that there are kids out there who - for them - the Prequels are just as important for them as the OT may be for you. Do they not deserve the chance to walk down memory lane with stories and references from their favorite moments?

Sure they do. But the movies have no real cultural or historical impact. If you like em cause ya grew up with em, that’s fine. Reminiscing on things we loved as kids can be fun. But the PT did nothing to earn a positive place in the collective conscious.
They really are just some dumb movies.

But is this a fact, or is this just a popular opinion?

Because you see, according to moviemakers and American moviemaking businesses, the prequels are in fact historically and culturally important, as they broke new ground for visual effects and and digital moviemaking.

So actually what you are saying is incorrect, but your opinion is commonly shared. So you are basing your reasons on what you deem factually correct, when in fact - it should be known - that it is just an opinion. By no factual means are they not historically or culturally important.

I think that within the effects industry they may be important… however, the PT is clearly not a popular culture landmark like the OT was. The kids I know who grew up in that timeframe seem much more attached to Harry Potter and/or the LOTR films.

If I had to pick one set of films that is the pop culture landmark from that era it would probably be the LOTR films.

Obviously people will perceive different things, but from what I’ve seen the PT is mostly remembered for being disappointing.