FWIW, I felt TFA had too many PT tie-ins (haven’t seen R1). By “too many”, I mean they were:
As I understand it, there were a few PT references in the film that were just fine–I understand there were flags referencing the PT in one scene, and while those didn’t advance the story or plot, they did not trigger any WTF moments or trip up the viewer–so those are fine by me. On the other hand, needlessly mentioning the Sith (what the hell’s a Sith?) and Clones (weren’t they ancient history at the beginning of Star Wars? Why are they even relevant by the time Episode VII rolls around?)–those just needed to go.
Gungans don’t seem to be the type to venture off their gelatinous home balls though.
FTFY
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
FWIW, I felt TFA had too many PT tie-ins
Really, I only noticed one: Mamzy’s line about "The Sith."
Apparently, some people thought Rilo Kiley’s suggestion of using “clones” was a PT reference, but really that line could have been in any SciFi/Fantasy movie.
What else was there?
FWIW, I felt TFA had too many PT tie-ins
Really, I only noticed one: Mamzy’s line about "The Sith."
Apparently, some people thought Rilo Kiley’s suggestion of using “clones” was a PT reference, but really that line could have been in any SciFi/Fantasy movie.
What else was there?
Listed in the part you didn’t quote. I feel Clones was a PT reference because it was from that universe, but anachronistic within that universe.
FWIW, I felt TFA had too many PT tie-ins (haven’t seen R1). By “too many”, I mean they were:
- not in any way necessary to advance the story or characters, and
- more likely to cause a “WTF” reaction from moviegoers who have not committed the PT to memory, which I’d say is a sizeable contingent
As I understand it, there were a few PT references in the film that were just fine–I understand there were flags referencing the PT in one scene, and while those didn’t advance the story or plot, they did not trigger any WTF moments or trip up the viewer–so those are fine by me. On the other hand, needlessly mentioning the Sith (what the hell’s a Sith?) and Clones (weren’t they ancient history at the beginning of Star Wars? Why are they even relevant by the time Episode VII rolls around?)–those just needed to go.
What? Are you serious? Both are throwaway lines. Mentions that should only serve to build a larger, unknown universe for anyone who hasn’t seen the other films. Was mentioning the clone wars a “WTF” moment in the original film?
And who says clones are ancient history? Just because we don’t see them used in the OT doesn’t mean they aren’t still a possibility in the ST timeframe.
FWIW, I felt TFA had too many PT tie-ins (haven’t seen R1). By “too many”, I mean they were:
- not in any way necessary to advance the story or characters, and
- more likely to cause a “WTF” reaction from moviegoers who have not committed the PT to memory, which I’d say is a sizeable contingent
As I understand it, there were a few PT references in the film that were just fine–I understand there were flags referencing the PT in one scene, and while those didn’t advance the story or plot, they did not trigger any WTF moments or trip up the viewer–so those are fine by me. On the other hand, needlessly mentioning the Sith (what the hell’s a Sith?) and Clones (weren’t they ancient history at the beginning of Star Wars? Why are they even relevant by the time Episode VII rolls around?)–those just needed to go.
In the context of the conversation about how and why Finn defected, Hux opines clones were better. (Because they obviously can’t disobey orders.) The New Order must have at least considered cloning to raise it’s army before deciding on indoctrinating little kids.
Where were you in '77?
TFA was such a bad movie anyway, it doesn’t matter.
SilverWook said:
In the context of the conversation about how and why Finn defected, Hux opines clones were better. (Because they obviously can’t disobey orders.) The New Order must have at least considered cloning to raise it’s army before deciding on indoctrinating little kids.
The stormtroopers being clones is a prequel thing, period.
SilverWook said:
In the context of the conversation about how and why Finn defected, Hux opines clones were better. (Because they obviously can’t disobey orders.) The New Order must have at least considered cloning to raise it’s army before deciding on indoctrinating little kids.The stormtroopers being clones is a prequel thing, period.
They didn’t call them stormtroopers in the prequels, that’s an Empire thing, period. 😉
The Clone Wars were mentioned in the original film.
Where were you in '77?
FWIW, I felt TFA had too many PT tie-ins (haven’t seen R1). By “too many”, I mean they were:
- not in any way necessary to advance the story or characters, and
- more likely to cause a “WTF” reaction from moviegoers who have not committed the PT to memory, which I’d say is a sizeable contingent
As I understand it, there were a few PT references in the film that were just fine–I understand there were flags referencing the PT in one scene, and while those didn’t advance the story or plot, they did not trigger any WTF moments or trip up the viewer–so those are fine by me. On the other hand, needlessly mentioning the Sith (what the hell’s a Sith?) and Clones (weren’t they ancient history at the beginning of Star Wars? Why are they even relevant by the time Episode VII rolls around?)–those just needed to go.
What? Are you serious? Both are throwaway lines. Mentions that should only serve to build a larger, unknown universe for anyone who hasn’t seen the other films. Was mentioning the clone wars a “WTF” moment in the original film?
And who says clones are ancient history? Just because we don’t see them used in the OT doesn’t mean they aren’t still a possibility in the ST timeframe.
I am serious. In the “Sith/Empire/First Order” line, you’ve got two things already established as the Big Bad, and a wacky made up lispy name. One of those things was not like the others, and it definitely made me slow down and say “Wait, what did he say? Sith?”
Same with clones. Had the been any indication at all of clones being a real contemporary thing, no problem. But the last mention was three movies and a whole generation back, and even then it was approaching the age of legends. So the reaction on hearing that was “Wait, are those still around?” And then the movie kept going and it seemed the answer was no, actually we were just jerking you around.
The problem is that they should have been throwaway lines, but they jerked me right out of the movie trying to sort out their relevance. YMMV.
TFA was such a bad movie anyway, it doesn’t matter.
Takes dedication to beat a dead Taun Taun for so long. 😉
Where were you in '77?
The Clone Wars were mentioned in the original film.
Yes, they were. One time, without further explanation.
Luke: “You fought in the Clone Wars?”
There was nothing there to indicate what the Clone Wars were about. It was a blank canvas, one that was colored in with crayons and scribbles in the PT, that the stormtroopers were all clones from Boba Fett’s dad.
It was a creative storyline that was met with almost universal ridicule and derision.
FWIW, I felt TFA had too many PT tie-ins (haven’t seen R1). By “too many”, I mean they were:
- not in any way necessary to advance the story or characters, and
- more likely to cause a “WTF” reaction from moviegoers who have not committed the PT to memory, which I’d say is a sizeable contingent
As I understand it, there were a few PT references in the film that were just fine–I understand there were flags referencing the PT in one scene, and while those didn’t advance the story or plot, they did not trigger any WTF moments or trip up the viewer–so those are fine by me. On the other hand, needlessly mentioning the Sith (what the hell’s a Sith?) and Clones (weren’t they ancient history at the beginning of Star Wars? Why are they even relevant by the time Episode VII rolls around?)–those just needed to go.
What? Are you serious? Both are throwaway lines. Mentions that should only serve to build a larger, unknown universe for anyone who hasn’t seen the other films. Was mentioning the clone wars a “WTF” moment in the original film?
And who says clones are ancient history? Just because we don’t see them used in the OT doesn’t mean they aren’t still a possibility in the ST timeframe.
I am serious. In the “Sith/Empire/First Order” line, you’ve got two things already established as the Big Bad, and a wacky made up lispy name. One of those things was not like the others, and it definitely made me slow down and say “Wait, what did he say? Sith?”
Same with clones. Had the been any indication at all of clones being a real contemporary thing, no problem. But the last mention was three movies and a whole generation back, and even then it was approaching the age of legends. So the reaction on hearing that was “Wait, are those still around?” And then the movie kept going and it seemed the answer was no, actually we were just jerking you around.
The problem is that they should have been throwaway lines, but they jerked me right out of the movie trying to sort out their relevance. YMMV.
I don’t know man, that’s really pretty silly. Honestly doubt many others had the same reaction you did.
FWIW, I felt TFA had too many PT tie-ins (haven’t seen R1). By “too many”, I mean they were:
- not in any way necessary to advance the story or characters, and
- more likely to cause a “WTF” reaction from moviegoers who have not committed the PT to memory, which I’d say is a sizeable contingent
As I understand it, there were a few PT references in the film that were just fine–I understand there were flags referencing the PT in one scene, and while those didn’t advance the story or plot, they did not trigger any WTF moments or trip up the viewer–so those are fine by me. On the other hand, needlessly mentioning the Sith (what the hell’s a Sith?) and Clones (weren’t they ancient history at the beginning of Star Wars? Why are they even relevant by the time Episode VII rolls around?)–those just needed to go.
What? Are you serious? Both are throwaway lines. Mentions that should only serve to build a larger, unknown universe for anyone who hasn’t seen the other films. Was mentioning the clone wars a “WTF” moment in the original film?
And who says clones are ancient history? Just because we don’t see them used in the OT doesn’t mean they aren’t still a possibility in the ST timeframe.
I am serious. In the “Sith/Empire/First Order” line, you’ve got two things already established as the Big Bad, and a wacky made up lispy name. One of those things was not like the others, and it definitely made me slow down and say “Wait, what did he say? Sith?”
Same with clones. Had the been any indication at all of clones being a real contemporary thing, no problem. But the last mention was three movies and a whole generation back, and even then it was approaching the age of legends. So the reaction on seeing that was “Wait, are those still around?” And then the movie kept going and it seemed the answer was no, actually we were just jerking you around.
The problem is that they should have been throwaway lines, but they jerked me right out of the movie trying to sort out their relevance. YMMV.
You do know Vader was called a Lord Of The Sith back in the day? I know for sure the Marvel comic used it. As kids, we didn’t really question why it wasn’t spoken in the film, but it was definitely in our lexicon back then.
Where were you in '77?
FWIW, I felt TFA had too many PT tie-ins (haven’t seen R1). By “too many”, I mean they were:
- not in any way necessary to advance the story or characters, and
- more likely to cause a “WTF” reaction from moviegoers who have not committed the PT to memory, which I’d say is a sizeable contingent
As I understand it, there were a few PT references in the film that were just fine–I understand there were flags referencing the PT in one scene, and while those didn’t advance the story or plot, they did not trigger any WTF moments or trip up the viewer–so those are fine by me. On the other hand, needlessly mentioning the Sith (what the hell’s a Sith?) and Clones (weren’t they ancient history at the beginning of Star Wars? Why are they even relevant by the time Episode VII rolls around?)–those just needed to go.
What? Are you serious? Both are throwaway lines. Mentions that should only serve to build a larger, unknown universe for anyone who hasn’t seen the other films. Was mentioning the clone wars a “WTF” moment in the original film?
And who says clones are ancient history? Just because we don’t see them used in the OT doesn’t mean they aren’t still a possibility in the ST timeframe.
I am serious. In the “Sith/Empire/First Order” line, you’ve got two things already established as the Big Bad, and a wacky made up lispy name. One of those things was not like the others, and it definitely made me slow down and say “Wait, what did he say? Sith?”
Same with clones. Had the been any indication at all of clones being a real contemporary thing, no problem. But the last mention was three movies and a whole generation back, and even then it was approaching the age of legends. So the reaction on hearing that was “Wait, are those still around?” And then the movie kept going and it seemed the answer was no, actually we were just jerking you around.
The problem is that they should have been throwaway lines, but they jerked me right out of the movie trying to sort out their relevance. YMMV.
I don’t know man, that’s really pretty silly. Honestly doubt many others had the same reaction you did.
Maybe not. Nevertheless, both essentially booted me out of any sort of immersion in the film, and neither was in any way necessary, so I think it would’ve been better without either. In that respect, they’re really not any better than that shaggy Alf impersonator singing in ROTJ:SE, had that been the original cut of ROTJ.
FWIW, I felt TFA had too many PT tie-ins (haven’t seen R1). By “too many”, I mean they were:
- not in any way necessary to advance the story or characters, and
- more likely to cause a “WTF” reaction from moviegoers who have not committed the PT to memory, which I’d say is a sizeable contingent
As I understand it, there were a few PT references in the film that were just fine–I understand there were flags referencing the PT in one scene, and while those didn’t advance the story or plot, they did not trigger any WTF moments or trip up the viewer–so those are fine by me. On the other hand, needlessly mentioning the Sith (what the hell’s a Sith?) and Clones (weren’t they ancient history at the beginning of Star Wars? Why are they even relevant by the time Episode VII rolls around?)–those just needed to go.
What? Are you serious? Both are throwaway lines. Mentions that should only serve to build a larger, unknown universe for anyone who hasn’t seen the other films. Was mentioning the clone wars a “WTF” moment in the original film?
And who says clones are ancient history? Just because we don’t see them used in the OT doesn’t mean they aren’t still a possibility in the ST timeframe.
I am serious. In the “Sith/Empire/First Order” line, you’ve got two things already established as the Big Bad, and a wacky made up lispy name. One of those things was not like the others, and it definitely made me slow down and say “Wait, what did he say? Sith?”
Same with clones. Had the been any indication at all of clones being a real contemporary thing, no problem. But the last mention was three movies and a whole generation back, and even then it was approaching the age of legends. So the reaction on seeing that was “Wait, are those still around?” And then the movie kept going and it seemed the answer was no, actually we were just jerking you around.
The problem is that they should have been throwaway lines, but they jerked me right out of the movie trying to sort out their relevance. YMMV.
You do know Vader was called a Lord Of The Sith back in the day? I know for sure the Marvel comic used it. As kids, we didn’t really question why it wasn’t spoken in the film, but it was definitely in our lexicon back then.
Oh, I know there’s a EU out there. But I think it’s safe to say I’m not the only one for whom Star Wars starts and stops at the films. Well, and the Holiday Special. So I could probably have dealt with an Itchy reference.
Also, jerked and movie should never appear in the same sentence. That’s how Pee Wee Herman got into trouble. 😉
Where were you in '77?
Listed in the part you didn’t quote.
So Too’s Too Many.
Gotcha. You’re a tough one…
FWIW, I felt TFA had too many PT tie-ins (haven’t seen R1). By “too many”, I mean they were:
- not in any way necessary to advance the story or characters, and
- more likely to cause a “WTF” reaction from moviegoers who have not committed the PT to memory, which I’d say is a sizeable contingent
As I understand it, there were a few PT references in the film that were just fine–I understand there were flags referencing the PT in one scene, and while those didn’t advance the story or plot, they did not trigger any WTF moments or trip up the viewer–so those are fine by me. On the other hand, needlessly mentioning the Sith (what the hell’s a Sith?) and Clones (weren’t they ancient history at the beginning of Star Wars? Why are they even relevant by the time Episode VII rolls around?)–those just needed to go.
What? Are you serious? Both are throwaway lines. Mentions that should only serve to build a larger, unknown universe for anyone who hasn’t seen the other films. Was mentioning the clone wars a “WTF” moment in the original film?
And who says clones are ancient history? Just because we don’t see them used in the OT doesn’t mean they aren’t still a possibility in the ST timeframe.
I am serious. In the “Sith/Empire/First Order” line, you’ve got two things already established as the Big Bad, and a wacky made up lispy name. One of those things was not like the others, and it definitely made me slow down and say “Wait, what did he say? Sith?”
Same with clones. Had the been any indication at all of clones being a real contemporary thing, no problem. But the last mention was three movies and a whole generation back, and even then it was approaching the age of legends. So the reaction on hearing that was “Wait, are those still around?” And then the movie kept going and it seemed the answer was no, actually we were just jerking you around.
The problem is that they should have been throwaway lines, but they jerked me right out of the movie trying to sort out their relevance. YMMV.
I don’t know man, that’s really pretty silly. Honestly doubt many others had the same reaction you did.
Maybe not. Nevertheless, both essentially booted me out of any sort of immersion in the film, and neither was in any way necessary, so I think it would’ve been better without either. In that respect, they’re really not any better than that shaggy Alf impersonator singing in ROTJ:SE, had that been the original cut of ROTJ.
Just when I thought you couldn’t get any sillier…
The Alf guy had a fair amount of screetime and literally yelled into the camera. That’s basically as bad as it gets.
“Perhaps leader Snoke should consider using a clone army.” Are you honestly saying that’s comparable to a '97 quality CGI effect taking up the whole screen and singing the worst song ever recorded? Not to mention, Kylo Ren is a character with a shrine erected to a 30 year old dead man, and Snoke is most likely ancient himself, so whether or not clones haven’t been used in 2 years or 50 or 100 wouldn’t really matter to them I think?
As for Maz’s line, it’s literally two words - “the Sith.” Were you pulled out of the film when Han mentioned King Prana? Or when Rey mentioned the Irving Boys or Ducain? Because I still have no idea what those things are but they never jerk me out of the film when I watch it.
I’m gonna have to side emphatically with Dom on this one. The amount of PT in TFA is barely worth bringing up, and practically not noticeable.
Also, look, there’s Alderaan again. Another quality post.
You guys owe ALF an apology. He looks nothing like Joh Yowza, and he’s a much better singer. 😉
https://youtu.be/FoUvbffgEUo
Where were you in '77?
Oh look, it’s the Disney police again. Watch out Catbus, they’re after you now.
Must. Stamp out. All. Negative comments. About. Disney. Star Wars. Movies
Oh look, it’s the Disney police again. Watch out Catbus, they’re after you now.
Wrong.
Must. Stamp out. All. Negative comments. About. Disney. Star Wars. Movies
Wrong.
Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong?
Alderaan’s constant bitching about Disney almost makes me feel sympathetic towards Disney.