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Should Yoda Have Been Part of the "Conspiracy"?

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I was watching ESB today, and I suddenly had a thought about Yoda's nature in this movie as opposed to the prequel trilogy (surprised)? As everyone knows, Yoda tried to reject Luke for being impatient and being too old and still seemed unsure even at the behest of Luke and Ben even though Yoda is well aware that Luke is one of the last hopes for the galaxy and, as we later learn from ROTS, that he was present at Luke's birth and personally responsible for sending Luke to Tatooine in anticipation of his later role. Does that make any sense? I suppose the easiest theory would be that Yoda was simply continuing his test of Luke, but if that were the case, why would Ben need to intervene on Luke's behalf?

Thinking about this, I came to the opinion that it would have made more sense if Yoda had not been around during the last parts of ROTS. That he had been beaten and watched all the Jedi been killed, and, at that point, he had pretty much given up on everything and decided to go to Dagobah not only to hide but to separate himself from the evil in the rest of the galaxy. And it was solely Obi-Wan's idea and implentation to separate the twins and watch over Luke because he still had a glimmer of hope. But after he had to sacrifice himself, Yoda, still skeptical as it seems in ESB, agreed to train Luke. That's the impression I get from watching ESB (and ROTJ), that it was Obi-Wan who was in charge of such things. Yoda's involvement in regards to Luke, Leia, and even Anakin for that matter, was never mentioned in the OT, and, based on what we saw of him, it doesn't seem like there would have been that much he did in regards to the twins.

Any thoughts?

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Speaking in terms of the I-VI Saga, i think it is indicated that Yoda never believed in eventually using the twins to take on the Emperor. He wants them split up simply so the Emperor cannot get them, with no hint ever given that he has plans for eventually training them. Obi Wan however, perhaps feeling a connection to Luke because he saw so much of Anakin in him, personally oversees his care as a hermit living nearby, and thought that in time Luke could become the great Jedi that his father could have been. Owen of course resents Obi Wan and seperates the two as best he can, and perhaps it can be said that Obi Wan might have believed in a radically unorthodox revision of the Jedi code where Luke could be trained not as a child but as an intelligent young adult. In any case, Obi Wan and Luke don't have substantial contact with one another until ANH, whereupon Obi Wan obviously feels that Luke is at a right age to begin training (as he says of the lightsaber, he wanted him to have it "when he was old enough"--implying that he may indeed be breaking from the child-brainwashing methods of the PT jedi). Luke's relatives are coincidentally killed, leaving Obi Wan to take Luke under his wing finally and begin formal training. After he is killed Obi Wan must felt that, perhaps because his spirits existence in the material world is temporary or limited, that Yoda would be the only choice to make a feasible mentor, so he instructs him to seek out Yoda on Dagobah. Yoda of course never agreed to any of this and was against the idea from the outset, but perhaps because at that point there truely wasn't any other option or hope, he reluctantly took on Luke at the persistence of Obi Wan and Luke.

Thats the way i read the new revision anyway.
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I think during the 20 years, Yoda decided Leia was a better horse to back than Luke. He brings up the "other" to Ben, who already joined the rebellion, while Luke is still playing with toy skyhoppers, and lacking the "most serious mind".
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Gaffer, you're theory was very good, and very true. And it leads me once more to the undeinable conclusion that pretending the prequels don't exist will enhance the viewing experiance of the OT a hundred fold.
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Yes, the key to the PT is pretending it doesn't exist. I don't know why we all try to make fanedits of the PT when the perfect solution is just not watch them. Saves a lot of time too!

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Heh, I like Guy's theory of Yoda backing the "other" horse.

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Interesting. If I had to resolve this question, I would say that Yoda still believed the twins might have been a hope for the galaxy, but didn't want to give either of them actual Jedi training. Sort of like how he recognized how Anakin may have been the "chosen one," while still deciding not to train him.

Still, it would have been best if Lucas could have at least tried to keep the PT consistent with all of the things that Obiwan had said. The poor old dude is such a total liar now. It's best to pretend the PT doesn't exist.

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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Gaffer, you're theory was very good, and very true. And it leads me once more to the undeinable conclusion that pretending the prequels don't exist will enhance the viewing experiance of the OT a hundred fold.


Agreed! I haven't watched them since ROTS was in the cinema. It is all slowly fading from memory.

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You do have a point, Gaffer Tape. Another issue with the prequels.

From another view, remember that the Sith waited thousands of years and through countless generations of Sith Lords before they made their move and took over the galaxy. Perhaps Yoda thought that the Jedi would have to do something similar, and that Luke/Leia aren't meant to take on the emperor or Vader?
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Originally posted by: Number20
You do have a point, Gaffer Tape. Another issue with the prequels.

From another view, remember that the Sith waited thousands of years and through countless generations of Sith Lords before they made their move and took over the galaxy. Perhaps Yoda thought that the Jedi would have to do something similar, and that Luke/Leia aren't meant to take on the emperor or Vader?


Could be, could be....but when you have to think that abstract and that deep to fill in a plot hole, you know there's soemthing seriously, seriously wrong.
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