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Mine were shipped today as well, supposedly by special delivery. not sure how long they'll take, but I should have them before release date. Then all I have to do is review them...
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The Empire of Dreams footage of the crawl was really shoddy, and I'm not going to judge its coloration as the proper version.

I don't much care if the color of the text is correct (who will ever be able to say for sure?). What I do care about is the typesetting done correctly. That is verifiable.

I would also very much like it if the timing to the music cue was correct, but I have only my 30-year-old memories to go by on that issue. So my bar is set pretty low at mere typesetting accuracy. Let's hope they pass that meager test.
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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
Why should "rebel" in the second paragraph be capitalized. It doesn't start a sentence like the first paragraph and should not need to match, right?
Right.

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
Why should "rebel" in the second paragraph be capitalized. It doesn't start a sentence like the first paragraph and should not need to match, right?
Right.


Because it's an official title, or something like that. Much like luke would be capitalized. I don't know the actual technical reason. Something like that. Same with Empire.
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Because it's the recognised name of a faction. It's the Rebel Alliance and the Empire, hence Rebels and Imperials.
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Yeah, gramatically speaking a the title of an organisation or perso should be capitalised, but not capitalising the word 'rebel' in the context in which it's used in the original title crawl is not grammatically incorrect. So it's an either/or thing really.

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You guys got it all wrong: the R was capitalized because that was Lucas' original vision.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
What I would really like to know... does it have the smearing? Like it has on the LDs in this scene?
When the camera is steady you can see the pattern in the sand but when it moves to the left the
pattern is gone and looks like one big smear.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4151/1fr2.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1586/2nq1.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Harlock415/Misc/STAR_WARS-4.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Harlock415/Misc/STAR_WARS-3.jpg

Yep looks like it.

I'll have to check on the crawl with Empire of Dreams later.
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Oh no...
Thanks for the info.
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"On the subject of the crawl, no it is not selectable, and why should it be?"

The fact that you have to ask such a question goes a long way towards pointing out that these are not the boards for you, not that this much wasn't obvious to everyone else here.

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Thanks again, Harlock415, even though it's bad news. I had pretty much given up on that one, to be honest. However, I think it's now fair to say that this is not even the best video source in the LFL archives, as there's the original D1 telecine without DVNR.
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I'm sure boris would say something along the lines of there being far too much detail to begin with, and that a loss of such detail would be a good thing.

I mean, really.....who cares about lines in the sand, right? [/roll-eyes]

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I was sure I read somewhere that the machine they used to telecine the D1 master with applied noise reduction WHILE it was scanning. Meaning there is no D1 that doesn't have the DVNR.

I might have read that wrong, though.
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I was under the impression that the DVNR was used during the THX mastering process, so it only applied to the DC and Faces set. IIRC, Laserman was talking about how the earlier editions were actually superior in this regard. I'll have to ask him to confirm.

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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"On the subject of the crawl, no it is not selectable, and why should it be?"

The fact that you have to ask such a question goes a long way towards pointing out that these are not the boards for you, not that this much wasn't obvious to everyone else here.
It's advertised as including the "1977 Theatrical Edition". I think they're just avoiding a slippery-slope... if they put on a selctable crawl, why not selectable technical glitch fixes as well? Why not selectable special edition changes? ...

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You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I was under the impression that the DVNR was used during the THX mastering process, so it only applied to the DC and Faces set. IIRC, Laserman was talking about how the earlier editions were actually superior in this regard. I'll have to ask him to confirm.

But the earlier editions were made from totally different film transfers. A brand-new transfer was done just for the DC set (and later re-used for the Faces set). No previous editions used that transfer.

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Originally posted by: boris
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"On the subject of the crawl, no it is not selectable, and why should it be?"

The fact that you have to ask such a question goes a long way towards pointing out that these are not the boards for you, not that this much wasn't obvious to everyone else here.
It's advertised as including the "1977 Theatrical Edition". I think they're just avoiding a slippery-slope... if they put on a selctable crawl, why not selectable technical glitch fixes as well? Why not selectable special edition changes? ...

Agreed.
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Originally posted by: The Bizzle
I was sure I read somewhere that the machine they used to telecine the D1 master with applied noise reduction WHILE it was scanning. Meaning there is no D1 that doesn't have the DVNR. Any idea where you read this? It's certainly possible, although it would be dumb to do it that way, as they knew there was going to be an intermediate stage before mastering to Laserdisc, anyway.
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I was under the impression that the DVNR was used during the THX mastering process, so it only applied to the DC and Faces set. IIRC, Laserman was talking about how the earlier editions were actually superior in this regard. I'll have to ask him to confirm.
Originally posted by: Mielr
But the earlier editions were made from totally different film transfers. A brand-new transfer was done just for the DC set (and later re-used for the Faces set). No previous editions used that transfer.
Both right. No DVNR on the older transfer (although it's a little softer, noisier and dirtier) so it's impossible to tell just from the existing LDs whether or not there is a DVNR-free D1.
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Has Anybody noticed that in the "Empire of Dreams" Documentary the clips they show of the films are of the OT?
And that they are as nicely remastered as the 2004 Dvds? How is it that that they never changed those to fit with
'The Ego that is Lucas' "Vision"?
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Originally posted by: MattyPhoenix
Has Anybody noticed that in the "Empire of Dreams" Documentary the clips they show of the films are of the OT?
And that they are as nicely remastered as the 2004 Dvds? How is it that that they never changed those to fit with
'The Ego that is Lucas' "Vision"?


Cuz he didn't make it, people with film copies did.
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Ah I See, Why Does that not surprise me.
Why is it that the people who created 'Empire Of Dreams' can do a better
job remastering than the people working(loose term) on the 2006DVD's? Bloody George Lucas!
Why cant he just give us what we want, then we can all be happy and he can go and create whatever other rubbish he wants
to e.g. star wars tv show in 2007 and more changes to his artistic visions until he has milked all originality out of Star Wars
and no one cares anymore!
Episode I, II and III ? Never Heard Of them! :-P
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Originally posted by: MattyPhoenix
Ah I See, Why Does that not surprise me.
Why is it that the people who created 'Empire Of Dreams' can do a better
job remastering than the people working(loose term) on the 2006DVD's? Bloody George Lucas!
Why cant he just give us what we want, then we can all be happy and he can go and create whatever other rubbish he wants
to e.g. star wars tv show in 2007 and more changes to his artistic visions until he has milked all originality out of Star Wars
and no one cares anymore!


From what I remember, they were clips from the theatrical versions, but the 1997 theatrical versions. I don't know for sure, it's been a long time since I watched Empire of Dreams.
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Well, the crawl shown in EOD is the '77 crawl (pre-ANH), which obviously isn't on the '97 SE.
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I just watched it last week, and they showed the clip of the fight over the sarlaac pit, and it definitely wasnt the 1997 version.
then after seeing that clip i noticed it was not the 1997 versions that they sourced for the clips, but maybe the
LD's or original source? mind you when the show the original crawl from 77' it doesnt look as good as the rest of the clips, id say they will
put in the ANH crawl with the 2006 dvds
Episode I, II and III ? Never Heard Of them! :-P