SW Episode III - Reign of the Dark Side (* unfinished project *) — Page 37

bobgarcia74 said:

Ok I've been looking around and I cant find the post were someone mentioned about they would love to see Anakin force push Mace out the window.

Tonight I started working on that. Keep in mind there has only been about a hour worth of work put into this quick clip. I just layed out a basic quick shot, to see if I could maybe make it work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I1QsQ2Nzv8

It's ugly I know, but give me some time and I'll make this look good. I'll add the closeup of anakins hand doing the force push and add the sound effect before I'm done. And of course Ill fix the background, and roto work.

I think this will look sweet once I give it alot of work.

Yes, just like you said, it needs more work, but I like the idea! And it even right now it looks pretty impressive. You're like some kind of wizard!This is great!

bobgarcia74 said:

Ok I've been looking around and I cant find the post were someone mentioned about they would love to see Anakin force push Mace out the window.

Tonight I started working on that. Keep in mind there has only been about a hour worth of work put into this quick clip. I just layed out a basic quick shot, to see if I could maybe make it work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I1QsQ2Nzv8

It's ugly I know, but give me some time and I'll make this look good. I'll add the closeup of anakins hand doing the force push and add the sound effect before I'm done. And of course Ill fix the background, and roto work.

I think this will look sweet once I give it alot of work.

I honestly don't think this should happen at all.  At this moment, Anakin is just trying to stop Mace from killing Palpatine, not outright helping Palpatine kill him.  To Force Push him would make Anakin's turn in actions way too abrupt.

rpvee said:

I honestly don't think this should happen at all.  At this moment, Anakin is just trying to stop Mace from killing Palpatine, not outright helping Palpatine kill him.  To Force Push him would make Anakin's turn in actions way too abrupt.

 

+1

Anakin cuts off Mace's hand, and then we have to watch him just sit there and do nothing but make faces while Palps does the dirty work.  Then Ani whines a bit about having made a mistake before committing to Palps.

The force push is a continuation of his turn, rather than a random weird pause in the turn.  I approve. :-)

I don't know if any of this is doable but (as well as dreaming about Padme) Anakin could have nightmares about his killing Dooku (proving he does feel guilt about killing an unarmed prisoner).

When Anakin enters the Mace/Palpatine duel what about not showing Anakin the Sith lightning (so he sees Palpatine as an unarmed prisoner like Dooku was)?

Mace brings his saber down and is blocked by Anakin's (as in ROTJ) and they have their conversation about ethics of killing Palpatine while Anakin and Mace are caught in a physical struggle (which mirrors the struggle of their polarised arguement).

Here Anakin is seeing a Jedi Master (someone who claims to be better than he is) about to do something he has himself done but has been racked with guilt about.

Is Mace any better than he is?

He also needs Palpatine to explain what he means about saving Padme as all Yoda can offer him is 'don't be too attached'.

If Palpatine is correct about the Jedi not being any better than the Sith he might be right about saving Padme too.

It adds validity to Palpatine's line if Mace has no problem with cutting down an unarmed prisoner.

When Mace is clearly not budging Anakin cuts off Mace's hand thus (in his mind) leveling the playing field as Mace has lost the ethical argument (from Anakin's point of view).

Then have Palpatine pull out the Force Lightning at the last moment by which time Anakin is so deep in the do-do that he can't see a way back.

i kinda like that bingo. could be interesting.

i really wish there was a bit more at the beginning of ROTS, where anakin could have the padme death dream BEFORE he discovers she is pregnant, possibly to explain his reaction.

Bingowings said:

I don't know if any of this is doable but (as well as dreaming about Padme) Anakin could have nightmares about his killing Dooku (proving he does feel guilt about killing an unarmed prisoner).

When Anakin enters the Mace/Palpatine duel what about not showing Anakin the Sith lightning (so he sees Palpatine as an unarmed prisoner like Dooku was)?

Mace brings his saber down and is blocked by Anakin's (as in ROTJ) and they have their conversation about ethics of killing Palpatine while Anakin and Mace are caught in a physical struggle (which mirrors the struggle of their polarised arguement).

Here Anakin is seeing a Jedi Master (someone who claims to be better than he is) about to do something he has himself done but has been racked with guilt about.

Is Mace any better than he is?

He also needs Palpatine to explain what he means about saving Padme as all Yoda can offer him is 'don't be too attached'.

If Palpatine is correct about the Jedi not being any better than the Sith he might be right about saving Padme too.

It adds validity to Palpatine's line if Mace has no problem with cutting down an unarmed prisoner.

When Mace is clearly not budging Anakin cuts off Mace's hand thus (in his mind) leveling the playing field as Mace has lost the ethical argument (from Anakin's point of view).

Then have Palpatine pull out the Force Lightning at the last moment by which time Anakin is so deep in the do-do that he can't see a way back.

That could be interesting.

Erikstormtrooper said:

... His mind should already be made up when he comes into the room. He should just walk in on the fight and chop off Mace's arm without saying a word. None of this "He must stand trial, blah blah" stuff...

I agree. When you run out of your room - with a it's-time-to-kick-ass-and-chew-bubble-gum-and-I'm-all-outta-gum face  - your mind is all made up and you know exactly what you gonna/gotta do.

So I say Anakin should just ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VleXZos_3T8

About the Obi-wan and Anakin fight at the end, I think it would be interesting to leave a more ambiguous ending as to what might have happened to anakin. However, I think it's also important to explore the more brutal and graphical nature of his transformation.

The best way to see what would work best, would be to make a few mock-ups exploring several possible outcomes, and let us take a vote on it.

I am totally open minded. I would like to see a robocop type of brutal injury to anakin but I'd also welcome a more open ended approach or maybe something totally different, I don't know. Whatever works best. :-)

Honestly I dont think Anakin turning to the dark side should show a really pissed off Sith Anakin. Anakin knows what he's done is fuckin wrong, but he insists in doing it for just one reason, Padme. No fuckin dark side thing, just a Faustical tragedy. Perhaps some pissing off with the Jedi, in some situation as Bingo proposed. But this is what I wanted to say in my previous post, Anakin is no fuckin Vader until he gets in the suit. Anakin is forced to do what he does by the situation and his fears, not because he willingly succumbs to Palpatine.

BUT once the tragedy is consumed, once he knows certainly that all he's done was in vain because he couldn't save his wife, then Vader appears. There's a situation in Expanded universe, of an suited Vader fighting a clone of Maul, and this clone asks him "what can you hate so much to defeat me"... and Vader responses "Myself"... I honestly think this is an interesting point and something Bob could achieve if he is willing to with his edit. Vader takes his strenght from the Dark side by hating... hating himself, hating himself for ruining his own life and this hat for himself is in some point, a feeling of guilt, and this guilt is the ultimate seed of his redemption

A clone of Maul?

Yet another reason for me to skip the EU.

ben_danger said:

okay, here's my proposition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ku6cInLKX8 based on haraldo23's idea earlier, and bob's cut.

Well, I was thinking about Obi Wan leaving completely. You know, there's no chopping or screaming. Anakin just stays on the platform and lets Obi Wan leave. And that's it. We're left clueless.

But this is also an interesting take on that scene. Kind of combines what everyone wants to see with what I'd like to see. XD 

Anyway, there are probably (at least) 50 ways to cut that scene and I'm sure Bob knows best. He'll choose the right one.

haraldo23 said:

Anyway, there are probably (at least) 50 ways to cut that scene and I'm sure Bob knows best. He'll choose the right one.

50 ways for Anakin to leave his lover?

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Dear lord that was awful.

TV's Frink said:

A clone of Maul?

Yet another reason for me to skip the EU.

You're takin the can and not the beer (?) of what I said

BTW, liked the last video, another interesting option, but still, I wonder how will you do not to repeat the shot of Kenobi turning off his sabre

The Force push is a nice idea Bob, and it looked pretty good in your mock up. As others have pointed out, there is the inconsistency with Anakin's robe.

I also agree that Anakin pushing Mace out of the window would be taking it the situation a bit too far. At that point, Anakin is only trying to stop Mace, he wants Palpatine arrested, not dead. If Anakin pushes Mace out of the window, he just flat out murdered him.

Some already mentioned that they felt it was already too much for Anakin to chop off Mace's hand. So how is this for a solution: one of the posters here (Davnes or SSWR if I remember correctly) made a mock up off the scene where Anakin blocks Mace's saber right in front of Palpatine's face, just like how Vader blocks Luke's saber when he swings at the Palpatine in ROTJ. In the mock up, Palpatine uses Mace being distracted and blasts him out of the window.

"I have brought peace, freedom, justice and security" Aren't those too many items for one sentence?

Yeap, and still mantains the contradiction of Anakin, he embraces the dark side because of Padme, or because he wants to bring "security, freedom bla bla" (he really belives that?)?

Mithrandir said:

TV's Frink said:

A clone of Maul?

Yet another reason for me to skip the EU.

 

You're takin the can and not the beer (?) of what I said

Quite honestly, I just skimmed the beer and happened to notice the can.

I think...

Well you know, I'm not responsible for expanded universe.I don't even like it, but it has its own pros, in a certain way. It's star wars by someone else than GL. And usually writers happen to be creative, and have enough empathy as to describe a person's feelings. So if the guy made a point, even in a stupid context (I agree with you...a clone of Maul, WTF)... why not to consider it?

My english is quite bad, so I have to ask... what do you mean by skimming??

Mithrandir said:

My english is quite bad, so I have to ask... what do you mean by skimming??

I briefly looked over the post without really reading, and the Maul clone thing caught my eye.