SW Episode III - Reign of the Dark Side (* unfinished project *) — Page 19

another thought: I don't know how you'll be handling Palps face transformation but with the lights out you could have a few shots where Palps saber passes in front of his "emperor face". the audience would kind of do a double take "what did I just see?"  just a thought...   ;)

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

another thought: I don't know how you'll be handling Palps face transformation but with the lights out you could have a few shots where Palps saber passes in front of his "emperor face". the audience would kind of do a double take "what did I just see?"  just a thought...   ;)

You are master on that, y ' know that?

:D:D:D

-Angel

vaderios said:

You are master on that, y ' know that?

:D:D:D

 

-Angel

 You are too kind, Angel! :D

Actually, to add a shot like that you could use the one or two close up shots of Palps swinging his lightsaber at Yoda. You could use one of those shots and then cut to one of the Jedi being cut down.

Bah gonna be alittle longer before I can get the next version posted up. Worked on it for 3 hours tonight, only to have the power flicker off and I lost what I did.

 Normaly I save my work like a mad man, but was flying thru it, liking what I saw. I wanted to get thru it so fast, that I never thought to click save even once.

Anyways. I'll be back working on it tomorrow.

Hello bobgarcia74, I am looking trough your RODS clips again and again because you make this movie look so good! Of course, the more you make something look consequent and good, the more one notices unclean stuff... luckily.

- Opening battle: very noticable cut in the middle of explosion of a small fighter ship. You cut it to not show the flying pilot corpse just for effect's sake like Lucas, but maybe leave it as original or some end of the explosion is needed. I think there are no cuts in the middle of explosion to a different place in SW movies (only not if it's the same explosion, like Death Star exploding). All cuts in your work should be clean because your work deserves that. Or maybe leave the explosion sound longer after video cut.

- Invisible Hand:  when Obi and Anakin step out of an Elevator to captive Palpatine, in your cut there should be some visible rest of slauthered droids on the elevator floor behind them, otherwise you have a continuity problem. 

- The begining of Obi's and Anakin's duel has a strong soundboost - Rise Of The Volume , which stays that way loud - if you watch the clip from the beginning again you will hardly hear them all talking. I don't know your reason for this volume disbalance, but it woud be a pity to leave it this way because it's clumsy (untipical for the rest of your quality work) and unneccesary. I like to hear music louder, I think OT has beter mix of music and foley, but this here is a little bit out of place...

- In case you treat Yoda - Palpatine duel like JasonN: I finally watched JasonN's version yesterday and noticed that for story's sake we need to see Yoda getting away from newly hostile Coruscant to Polis Massa. He wasn't taking Holidays on Coruscant. He is forced to leave as he can not face Palpatine alone. We need to see his decision to leave the place for good. Otherwise it looks unconvincing that such important person (Palpatine's greatest target) can move however wherever because we suddenly see him in polis massa. Maybe just show him driving with Organa in the "car" saying that he has to go. I don't know if you considered this or not.

- Why did you change ingenious original Grievous approaching music to Utapau? It would fit the Night version as well. But this version is great as well, it just has no new musical motif. It's way darker though.

- If you already did such a great work, it woud be a pity to notice anything strange in dialogue edits. Example: Clip "Losing General Greavous cough example 2" there are very noticable cuts because you cut video and sound abrupt and don't soften the cut with longer remain of audio from a previous clip, at least in this sequence. Also beside this on 1:47 we see dangerous droid reaching his hand towards R2 but it's cut so fast after reaching that we don't know why: to strike him or just to keep him in range? It's just needs some more detailed work on it. Maybe it would help to put the sound of approching droids from the next clip already during ending of this one and than Obi immidiately shown asks :"Do you have a plan B?" 

- Maybe it would be great if Adywan says his opinion on your cut as well because he's very critical perfectionist, if you're interested in his opinion and if he would find the time to watch it.

Thank you for doing this once again as well everyone who supports this.

Cheers

P.S. I fogot something important: I don't know how emotionally connected you are with your renamed title of your cut but for a foreign person which are many fans in the world the word "REIGN" is not very familliar and it sounds like, much familliar "RAIN of the dark side" which sounds crazy. Maybe you would concider some another, very clear title for a meaning's sake?

Most of the sound and video cuts are set as drafts and early concepts to visualize the final idea.

As for the music changes they are just tests.

Good points there tho :) 

-Angel

I write so rarely, Vaderios, but you happen to be my answer policeman in OT.com because allways when I post something, you are the first who answers! 

But thank you and I'm happy to see so much of your input in this edit; I really like your taste of colours and imaginative visuals / corrections in sort of modernised SW way... it would had been so nice if you would have taken it from McQuarrie in 1998 or so...

Darth Wagner said:

I write so rarely, Vaderios, but you happen to be my answer policeman in OT.com because allways when I post something, you are the first who answers! 

But thank you and I'm happy to see so much of your input in this edit; I really like your taste of colours and imaginative visuals / corrections in sort of modernised SW way... it would had been so nice if you would have taken it from McQuarrie in 1998 or so...

Thanks :D Mc quarrie is the base reference for me :)

I ve changed my Title too thanks to you :D

-Angel

Another big issue in a concept of Page 1 - list: Erasing midichlorian talk

Midichlorian talk in the opera might sound like unimportant but it is indirect explanation of Anakin's existence. In a contrary to usual audience which probably didn't get it, Darth Pleagus the Wise is probably Anakins father because he was very probably the one who "manipulated midichlorians to create... life" inside Anakin's mother (and who knows who else) which got pregnant without any physical contact and "can't explain what happened". In some simplyfied christian way, audience should realise in this very moment that Anakin was not some sort of "a child of god" (as lots of newspapers were making fun of this implication at 1999), but, as it seems now, on a contrary, some kind of "child of a devil", if one likes to put it this way. Tatooine, so remote and unimportant would be a right place for that kind of experiment. That also immidiately explains why Anakin is so overfilled ("it looks like he was concieved") with midichlorians as well. That's a technical explanation of his unlimited abilities. He is a child of a Sith manipulation experiment "some consider to be unnatural". This is why this story is important, beside more catchy obvious interesting stuff in it (ability to save people/Padme from dying and a hint that Palpatine himself was very probably  Pleagus' pupil who killed him in his sleep). These are ingenious hidden explenations placed in one hidden story told in selffascinating undertone in Ian McDiarmid's juicy performance wich maybe should be all left where they are, also because despite it's many characters , PT is a story of Anakin Skywalker just as "OT is story of Luke Skywalker"(as Lawrence Kasdan said). This scene takes a lots of time, extra slow tempo and reliance on a good actor not without a reason but to tell us that this is really important although hidden and/or disguised.

First in this story of Palpatine audience should became aware why this "midichlorians bull...t"( as many old sw fans stated after TPM opened) is actually really very important issue. That ment, erasing "midichlorians stuff" means erasing something of fundamental importance for the story of Anakin Skywalker.

Do as you wish.

brash_stryker said:

It adds nothing to his character, and is simply a lame attempt by Lucas to make parallels between Anakin and Jesus, and try to make him more interesting.

Nah they are still two different persons

I like the ideas of Darth Wagner there. It adds a trivial depth. A more religious genre and not so spiritual. better that nothing tho

-Angel

@brash_stryker

For respect for religious persons here, even and dispite being a non practical but somehow a person which relates to christian cultural circle, I suggest not to touch any religios subject calling it "stupid" for the sake of correctness, this is not a forum for that stuff. I'm not going to argue about this remark as well, we have admin here anyway.

Now one can imagine that someone evil with a capability of a Jedi who could manipulate a lots of things, could manipulate/ignite pregnancy as well. Jedi would not do such stuff but... Sith? Why not? Doctors of totalitary regimes in 20th century did it (Nazis and Russians). There is a reference.

I don't see any "immaculate conception" in Anakin's story after I saw ROTS, as I explained in my previous post. IMHO "immaculate conception" is a reasonable christian interpretation of Anakin's mother's unexplainable expierience from TPM. This saga is not on Earth, it's a galaxy far away, the rest you can read in my previous post, I explained it. 

vaderios said:

brash_stryker said:

It adds nothing to his character, and is simply a lame attempt by Lucas to make parallels between Anakin and Jesus, and try to make him more interesting.

Nah they are still two different persons

 

@brash_stryker

sorry, I never noticed any parallels with Jesus during watching of prequels and especially after ROTS any parallels with Jesus are impossible anyway :-)

@ vaderios

"trivial depth" :-))))) thanx, I like it, it's a great description for Hitchcock movies :-))))

The common story/explanation with this parallel is that anakin was born from a virgin with no sex occured

he was the one and prophecies mentioned him

like Jesus, Vader's fall was the 3 days in the underworld and like Jesus again his resurection(reform) was beat the evil.

Like Neo's death for 3 minutes Jesus's 3 days etc etc etc

Makes some sense.

-Angel

I re-edited TPM for myself and can not remember that a virginity of Anakin's mother ever was an issue there.:-))... the prophecies, well, they were before and probably after Jesus as well anywhere on Earth, even daily horoscopes are kind of prophecies...as for 3 days of this and that - I never noticed that mentioned in any Star Wars movie. But I'm looking forward to this edit with or without midichlorians. I just stated why I don't have problems with them and why I concider them to be a part of a story I can exept for myself. 

Darth Wagner said:

the prophecies, well, they were before and probably after Jesus as well anywhere on Earth, even daily horoscopes are kind of prophecies...

Yeah !

-Angel

TV's Frink said:

QUI-GON: Had he been born in the Republic, we would have identified him early. The Force is unusually strong with him, that much is clear. Who was his father?
SHMI: There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him. I can't explain what happened. Can you help him?

PALPATINE: (continuing) Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis "the wise"? 

ANAKIN: No. 

PALPATINE: I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create ... life 

TV's Frink said:

Also...

YODA: (sighing) Master Qui-Gon...more to say have you?
QUI-GON: With your permission, my Master. I have encountered a vergence in the Force.
YODA: A vergence, you say?
MACE WINDU: Located around a person?
QUI-GON: A boy... his cells have the highest concentration of midi-chlorians I have seen in a life form. It is possible he was conceived by the midi-chlorians.

PALPATINE: (continuing) Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis "the wise"? 

ANAKIN: No. 

PALPATINE: I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create ... life 

Midi-chlorians were removed from this edit.

I mended two lines together to get around them.

"Darth Plagueis had such a knowledge of the dark side he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying."

Thats how I worked around the mention of Midi-chlorians. I dont like them or hate them. But as it's treated in the PT, it's pretty much a pointless plot point that never leads to much of anything. It's open to endless interpretations. Therefore it's not needed. Now if Anakin later found out that Plagueis was his father, then that would be something.