SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW — Page 7

Author: greencapt
Time: 19-Jul-2006 1:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones

His new suit is a rubbery, washed out piece of garbage covered with scales, very anti-heroic. Superman's costume isn't supposed to be that dark. He's not an unhinged vigilante like Batman.

But c'mon... you gotta love them there *huge* Superboots! Imagine hiding those beneath you mild mannered reporter clothes.

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Author: TheSessler
Time: 19-Jul-2006 2:42 AM
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They look comfortable, at least.

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Author: HotRod
Time: 19-Jul-2006 6:28 AM
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I'm with Jenny on this one...I like the new suit. They changed the suit for every other suerhero film made in the last 15 years, why not Superman?

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Author: greencapt
Time: 19-Jul-2006 8:46 AM
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Originally posted by: HotRod
I'm with Jenny on this one...I like the new suit. They changed the suit for every other suerhero film made in the last 15 years, why not Superman?

Actually the suit didn't bother me nearly as much as I thought it would have have- in fact it fit in well with the gloomy, dark and generally un-Superman-like-ness of the rest of the film.

Author: Yoda Is Your Father
Time: 19-Jul-2006 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by: greencapt
But c'mon... you gotta love them there *huge* Superboots! Imagine hiding those beneath you mild mannered reporter clothes.

So he does actually wear the suit beneath his civilian clothes then? Because in the Christopher Reeves movies he just sort of 'fades' into them, and I didn't know what the hell was going on. Some kind of Kryptonian magic?

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Author: ADigitalMan
Time: 19-Jul-2006 11:20 AM
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Having just watched Superman III, I'm amazed at just how much the new suit looks like Bad Superman's suit in that film. That's the worst part of the magenta. It just looks like Bad Superman.

I love how virtually every poster and promo shot had his suit color corrected to the more traditional red. The marketing guys knew this color was a bad idea.

I don't get how Singer continually says "If you're making a Superman movie, don't be afraid to make a Superman movie." He specifically talked about not overly modernizing the character or the classic elements. Then he screws up the suit. I, for one, found the suit to be the #1 biggest detractor of the film. The Super-Stalker scene was probably #2. Parker-Posey-Should-Have-Been-Lois was #3. After that, I thought the film was good enough.

Edit: Though I have to say, the superboots would merit not even needing normal shoes. They'd just look like cordovan loafers under a business suit. I wanna know how Supes hid the good ol' red boots all these years.

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Author: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Time: 19-Jul-2006 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Having just watched Superman III, I'm amazed at just how much the new suit looks like Bad Superman's suit in that film. That's the worst part of the magenta. It just looks like Bad Superman.

I love how virtually every poster and promo shot had his suit color corrected to the more traditional red. The marketing guys knew this color was a bad idea.

I don't get how Singer continually says "If you're making a Superman movie, don't be afraid to make a Superman movie." He specifically talked about not overly modernizing the character or the classic elements. Then he screws up the suit. I, for one, found the suit to be the #1 biggest detractor of the film. The Super-Stalker scene was probably #2. Parker-Posey-Should-Have-Been-Lois was #3. After that, I thought the film was good enough.

Edit: Though I have to say, the superboots would merit not even needing normal shoes. They'd just look like cordovan loafers under a business suit. I wanna know how Supes hid the good ol' red boots all these years.

I'm with you ADigitalMan. Not only does the SR costume resemble Bad Superman from Superman 3, it resembles the post-Crisis Bizarro costume.

Yeah, Parker Posery would have been a better Lois.

I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.

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Author: THX
Time: 19-Jul-2006 11:40 AM
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Supes borrowed a costume ring from Barry Allen to hide his boots in. I know it doesn't make sense now, but just wait for "Superman Forever."

Author: Mike O
Time: 19-Jul-2006 12:17 PM
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At least the costume didn't have nipples.

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Author: greencapt
Time: 19-Jul-2006 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Mike O
At least the costume didn't have nipples.

Very true.... but did you know that the 'texture' on the blue parts of the costume are actually little laser-scribed 'S' symbols? They paid some ridiculous amount of money etching little 'S's all over the suit and of course, other than just adding a scaly look, it does nothing for the image on screen. Go figure... gotta spend that budget somehow!

Author: ADigitalMan
Time: 19-Jul-2006 1:23 PM
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Originally posted by: THX
Supes borrowed a costume ring from Barry Allen to hide his boots in. I know it doesn't make sense now, but just wait for "Superman Forever."

I'm personally awaiting "Superman and Robin: A Joel Schumaker Film." All the bitching about how gay Singer is will quickly be forgotten.

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Author: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Time: 19-Jul-2006 1:34 PM
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Originally posted by: greencapt

Originally posted by: Mike O
At least the costume didn't have nipples.

There's only superhero who can get away with a scaly costume, and his name is Aquaman.

Y'know, we actually have action figures for Superman Returns at GIANT, but no one's buying them, nor is anybody buying any of the Superman DVDs out on display. The only piece of Superman merchandise I've seen get sold (not counting the Pepsi boxes with Superman's image on them) is a rubber ball. That makes me feel kind of sad.

I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.

Author: ADigitalMan
Time: 19-Jul-2006 6:07 PM
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That's what they get for marketing a PG-13 movie to kids. They WISELY scaled back on Batman merchandising last year, and kept toy licensing far from their minds when making the film (something Schumaker couldn't resist). Even Harry Potter is reworking their licensing deals to tie in with more mature stuff as he gets older (and as the stories get darker).

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Author: Gaffer Tape
Time: 19-Jul-2006 6:26 PM
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But as far as I know, all the modern Batman films have had large and successful toylines. I still have dozens of figures from Tim Burton's Batman and Batman Returns. Apparently, however, they couldn't get the rights to use DeVito's face or maybe they thought it would be too scary, but the figure of The Penguin was the comic-book version.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

Author: Yoda Is Your Father
Time: 19-Jul-2006 6:39 PM
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After 3 weeks of failed and aborted attempts, I hope to finally see Superman Returns tonight.

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Author: Mike O
Time: 19-Jul-2006 6:42 PM
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Lucas makes the same mistake with Star Wars. Kids weren't the one camped outside of the theater to see Episode I, and they aren't the one spending thousands of dollars on AV equipment to watch high-quality releases which LFL is not putting out.

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Author: ADigitalMan
Time: 19-Jul-2006 9:07 PM
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Almost completely off topic, perhaps even better suited for the Politics forum, I just had to link to this story that would make Gus Gorman, not to mention Michael Bolton (not the singer) and Samir Nagheenanajar salivate with anticipation. If you get the reference, you get an extra ten points.

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Author: greencapt
Time: 19-Jul-2006 9:29 PM
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Almost completely off topic, perhaps even better suited for the Politics forum, I just had to link to this story that would make Gus Gorman, not to mention Michael Bolton (not the singer) and Samir Nagheenanajar salivate with anticipation. If you get the reference, you get an extra ten points.

Mmmmmm... yeeeah. ADM... I'm going to need you to come in to work this weekend.

And I wouldn't exactly say I've been *missing* 'Superman III' Bob.

Author: Gaffer Tape
Time: 19-Jul-2006 10:07 PM
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Mmmm, yeah..... That'd be... greeeat.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

Author: greencapt
Time: 19-Jul-2006 10:16 PM
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Greatest. Bob. Ever.

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Author: Yoda Is Your Father
Time: 20-Jul-2006 12:43 AM
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I just saw Superman Returns, and I really liked it a lot.

But...

MAJOR SPOILER COMING UP!! OVERT YOUR EYES IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE YET

Superman has a kid?!

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Author: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Time: 20-Jul-2006 1:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
But as far as I know, all the modern Batman films have had large and successful toylines. I still have dozens of figures from Tim Burton's Batman and Batman Returns. Apparently, however, they couldn't get the rights to use DeVito's face or maybe they thought it would be too scary, but the figure of The Penguin was the comic-book version.

That's probably part of why filmmakers and toymakers love Batman so much - Batman's vast array of gadgets makes it easy to mass merchandise him. Superman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Captain Marvel, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter lack those accessories and I wonder if that works against them.

I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.

Author: Mielr
Time: 20-Jul-2006 2:41 AM
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Originally posted by: HotRod
I'm with Jenny on this one...I like the new suit. They changed the suit for every other suerhero film made in the last 15 years, why not Superman?

They didn't change the Spiderman costume, did they?

I noticed in the new "Spidey 3" trailer that they're using that black and white costume (for Spidey's "alter") that they came up with about 20 years ago when they tried to change Spidey's "look" for the comic book. It didn't last very long. LOL.

Author: TheSessler
Time: 20-Jul-2006 3:04 AM
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They didn't change his look, I thought it was just a part of the symbiote storyline?

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Author: Gaffer Tape
Time: 20-Jul-2006 3:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones

I don't know. Most of the "gadgets" they use in Batman toylines are made up exclusively for the toyline and resemble absolutely nothing ever used in any type of Batman story. As a kid, I'd generally go for the Batman figure that most resembled the one in the movie/cartoon/comic and then expand my collection from there. But, anyway, my point is that they could just as easily make up gadgets or costume variations for other superheroes, and make figures that utilize one of the superpowers. I know they've done this before. I have three Spider-Man action figures from back in the day. One of them has his arms spread out with string emerging from them that he can slide up and down. The second has him in a darker costume that has a button that allows his arms to move in a wall-crawling motion. And the third has detatchable night-vision goggles and Dr. Octopus limbs.

So, yeah, toy developers have a long history of butchering aspects of superheroes.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.