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Originally posted by: Mike O


The campyness is part of the film's charm. The first was certainly very campy.


And I think that is where the films fail with me personally. I'm starting to see why people wouldn't think of SR as fondly as they would their 1978 and 1980 films. I saw Sups I and II after I saw SR so it just adds to the pile. Those films are very campy, but it turns out they were supposed to be. Ahhh...I see. I get it now.
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
So... who wasted precious time and money watching Superman: Brainiac Attacks?


I was excited when I heard about that release but after reading several HORRID reviews of it I decided to spend my money elsewhere. That bad, hunh?


Same here, Capt. It isn't really even a DCAU project--they just reused the character models so they could crank something out fast to promote/cash in on the release of Superman Returns.

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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Originally posted by: Mike O


The campyness is part of the film's charm. The first was certainly very campy.


And I think that is where the films fail with me personally. I'm starting to see why people wouldn't think of SR as fondly as they would their 1978 and 1980 films. I saw Sups I and II after I saw SR so it just adds to the pile. Those films are very campy, but it turns out they were supposed to be. Ahhh...I see. I get it now.


I apologize! I didn't mean to say a snobby "you don't like it because you don't understand it!" I was just saying that it was stylisically different from Singer's films, that's all. Sorry!

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Originally posted by: Shark2k
I watched Braniac Attacks, I actually have the DVD, and I honestly didn't think it was that bad. When I read a lot of customer reviews on like Amazon.com the biggest complaint was mainly that the voices of Lex Luthor & Braniac were different from The Animated Series. I thought that the storyline was good and all. The way Lex Luthor acted though was kind of like, I don't see Luthor actually acting like that. Just my two cents, I know there are people that don't like it for better reasons then two voices being changed.

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Basically, yes, the decision to replace Clancy Brown with Powers Boothe and then have Lex act like a goofball was a horrid one.

Anyhow, it was good hear to Tim Daly doing Superman's voice again, even if it wasn't the best material, and it's always good to hear Dana Delany as Lois Lane. I recommend renting it for the giant Superman VS. Mecha-Brainiac fight.
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Originally posted by: Mike O
I apologize! I didn't mean to say a snobby "you don't like it because you don't understand it!" I was just saying that it was stylisically different from Singer's films, that's all. Sorry!


Oh no need to apologize, silly. I didn't even take the post as offensive. In fact, I should be the one apologizing. I harped on those two movies pretty hard with out really sitting down and looking at them for what charm they offer.

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I still think you'll be happy with the Donner Cut of Superman II when it comes out. There's a difference between camp and comic relief. Superman I mostly had comic relief (Otis and Lex pushed the envelope towards camp). The rest of the Reeve movies were chock full of camp, but that was due to Richard Lester's influence. I think the Donner Cut of II will get back towards less camp and more comic relief. At least, I hope.

I just finished watching III and IV for the first time in ages (IV was the first time since the '80s when it debuted on video) and I didn't remember just how wretched they are. The FX in IV are so positively miserable. I was toying with the idea of editing the two into one good movie, but I don't know if it's possible. I'd like a story that interweaves Lex & Nuclear Man with Clark's return to Smallville, the Lana angle, and the whole split personality thing (which I'd have caused by Nuclear Man's scratch). But between the bad FX and Nuclear Man's scene chewing, I just don't know if it's worth the effort. The goal would be to cut out the whole Gus Gorman plot and the whole Mariel Hemingway plot, if possible.

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan

I just finished watching III and IV for the first time in ages (IV was the first time since the '80s when it debuted on video) and I didn't remember just how wretched they are. The FX in IV are so positively miserable. I was toying with the idea of editing the two into one good movie, but I don't know if it's possible. I'd like a story that interweaves Lex & Nuclear Man with Clark's return to Smallville, the Lana angle, and the whole split personality thing (which I'd have caused by Nuclear Man's scratch). But between the bad FX and Nuclear Man's scene chewing, I just don't know if it's worth the effort. The goal would be to cut out the whole Gus Gorman plot and the whole Mariel Hemingway plot, if possible.

Funny how she can breathe in space.


Would you keep Ross Webster/Ultimate computer plot? I for one actually liked the character of Ross Webster, even if for the most part, Superman III was terrible.
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Gorman, Webster and all related characters would be gone. I just feel like Lex makes the Superman story. Maybe if the ultimate computer really was Braniac, but that plot fell by the wayside in development.

But as I said, this probably isn't even worth the effort.
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I liked the first movie not II an III . This looks good i hope it does very well am also watching superman the tv series its great lois lane is fit !!!
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I've been thinking about buying Smallville on DVD, anyone have anything to say about that show? Good, bad, or just okay?
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Originally posted by: TheSessler
I've been thinking about buying Smallville on DVD, anyone have anything to say about that show? Good, bad, or just okay?


Well, judging from what I've seen, it tweak the mythology considerably, and messing with continuity is likely to tick of longtimes Supes fans.

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I totally dig Smallville. It's a fresher take on the franchise than SR. Not perfect, but damn good fun. You should rent it first to see what you think.
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: TheSessler
I've been thinking about buying Smallville on DVD, anyone have anything to say about that show? Good, bad, or just okay?


Well, judging from what I've seen, it tweak the mythology considerably, and messing with continuity is likely to tick of longtimes Supes fans.


Well, I'm the guy who likes Lois and Clark more than George Reeves, if that says anything.
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I'm not sure what it says about you since Lois and Clark has always been my favorite Superman series as well.

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I still think you'll be happy with the Donner Cut of Superman II when it comes out. There's a difference between camp and comic relief. Superman I mostly had comic relief (Otis and Lex pushed the envelope towards camp). The rest of the Reeve movies were chock full of camp, but that was due to Richard Lester's influence. I think the Donner Cut of II will get back towards less camp and more comic relief. At least, I hope.

I just finished watching III and IV for the first time in ages (IV was the first time since the '80s when it debuted on video) and I didn't remember just how wretched they are. The FX in IV are so positively miserable. I was toying with the idea of editing the two into one good movie, but I don't know if it's possible. I'd like a story that interweaves Lex & Nuclear Man with Clark's return to Smallville, the Lana angle, and the whole split personality thing (which I'd have caused by Nuclear Man's scratch). But between the bad FX and Nuclear Man's scene chewing, I just don't know if it's worth the effort. The goal would be to cut out the whole Gus Gorman plot and the whole Mariel Hemingway plot, if possible.

Funny how she can breathe in space.


Yeah, if you watch the docos on the I and II DVDs, they say that they were trying to move away from camp, and in fact, completely re-wrote a campy screenplay they had originally. If there were any elements of II that were camp (like Superman throwing the 'S' off his shirt), it was without Donner at the helm.
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That "S" thing gets me every time. The first time I saw it was on Family Guy where Peter goes, "And for that mater, what's with the celophane S that Superman throws at the bad guys in Superman II? *scene goes to reenactment* *Sups rips off the S and tosses it at the Kryptonian and he screams and crumpls then the S disapears*
Bad guy: What was that?
Sups: Ha ha! Take that!
Bad guy: Yeah, no kidding. That was uh, that was mildly inconveniant.
Sups: Yeah you betcha'!
Bad guy: Yeah."

When I finally saw that scene I had to say that outloud.


EDIT: By the way, have any of you been to this website, Superdickery. It's basically a collection of why Superman is a dick. It is histarical. You should see it.
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ADM, do your edit. You're on exactly the right track.
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Well I just got back from watching Superman and I thought it was just great.
It had everything for me. Action, emotion and a pretty good plot. Brandon Routh IS Superman. I think he pulled it off perfectly.
Even my mate who I went with loved it, and he's a fussy git when it comes to films. He hated Spiderman 2, thought it was shit. Though Batman Begins was just meh - which I did too really. Superman kicked ass all over BB -imo of course.
And don't you just hate it when your sitting next to the nerdy bunch. I know we're all nerds on here when it comes to Star Wars, but to see it from a different point of view is quite amusing. They laughed at all the 'in' jokes that not many understood, (I did but didn't laugh) but bless 'em.

Great film...I was all excited when the title credits started. It just wouldn't have been the same without the good ol' Superman theme. I also thought the suit looked much better, so much better than the bright Red and Blue...and no Bridget Jones style Big pants.


It's just a great ride of emotions. Loved it...now I have to take the missus to see it next week. Yay!!

So with Pirates 2 and Supes, that makes two out of two good blockbusters this summer so far.

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Originally posted by: HotRod
Well I just got back from watching Superman and I thought it was just great.
It had everything for me. Action, emotion and a pretty good plot. Brandon Routh IS Superman. I think he pulled it off perfectly.
Even my mate who I went with loved it, and he's a fussy git when it comes to films. He hated Spiderman 2, thought it was shit. Though Batman Begins was just meh - which I did too really. Superman kicked ass all over BB -imo of course.
And don't you just hate it when your sitting next to the nerdy bunch. I know we're all nerds on here when it comes to Star Wars, but to see it from a different point of view is quite amusing. They laughed at all the 'in' jokes that not many understood, (I did but didn't laugh) but bless 'em.

Great film...I was all excited when the title credits started. It just wouldn't have been the same without the good ol' Superman theme. I also thought the suit looked much better, so much better than the bright Red and Blue...and no Bridget Jones style Big pants.


It's just a great ride of emotions. Loved it...now I have to take the missus to see it next week. Yay!!

So with Pirates 2 and Supes, that makes two out of two good blockbusters this summer so far.



SR is up to $164 million dollars right now while Pirates is up to $258 million, in case you're wondering.
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I just saw this movie last week, and I have to say that the imagery was beautiful. I loved the opening credits with the old Superman titles and the John Williams theme. Brandon Routh made a good Supe (though not as good as Chris Reeve), Kevin Spacey was a very good Lex Luthor, Parker Posey was great as Kitty, but I think the girl who played Lois (can't recall her name this second) was badly miscast. Margot Kidder's Lois was spunky yet vulnerable, but this new Lois is totally boring and bland. Overall, the story was OK- but could have been a bit more focused.

Glad I saw it, anyhow. I liked it a bit better than "Pirates 2" which I thought was too long, and not as much fun as the original.

I don't know, is it just me, or are all of these movies having trouble living up to their hype? Maybe I'm just getting old. LOL!

Not crazy about Supe's new threads, FWIW. They look slightly...off.

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Originally posted by: oojason
^ Bright Eyes... burning like FIRE...

can't believe that scary ass cartoon got past the censors - gave me nightmares for years...

LOL! I wanted to see Watership Down when it first came out- but my mom wouldn't let me- she said it was a grown-up movie, not for kids. I guess it's a good thing she didn't let me see it! I remember she had the paperback of the book in a bookcase- I guess she had read the book and knew that it wasn't appropriate subject matter for children.

I'm glad I never saw Dumbo or Bambi, either. I can't believe the kind of scary stuff Disney used to produce for children. Even with The Lion King- why does there always have to be a death of a parent in the first 20 minutes? I'd never allow a child of mine to see any of those films. What kids fear the most is the death of a parent or being separated from their parents. That seems to be a theme in Disney films.

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Aw, come on. Those are great movies, most of which I grew up on. I think the problem nowadays is sensitizing children's media rather than it being too intense.

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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones

SR is up to $164 million dollars right now while Pirates is up to $258 million, in case you're wondering.



True, but Superman Returns has grossed a total of $244 million world wide (plus domestic.) I don't know what it is for Pirates, but I'm sure it is high too.

Sups is definantly going to make back the $250 million it cost to make. Superman Returns 2 here we come!! Woo! And I just love the new Superman suit. He looks more like a Superhero and not songbird.


A not so interesting PS note - I had a dream last night that I took my aunt to go see SR and it was the "edited version" and was missing about half the movie. I was soooooo pissed this morning when I woke up. But the thought of owning the DVD with the deleted scenes made my breakfast all that much tastier.
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones

SR is up to $164 million dollars right now while Pirates is up to $258 million, in case you're wondering.



True, but Superman Returns has grossed a total of $244 million world wide (plus domestic.) I don't know what it is for Pirates, but I'm sure it is high too.

Sups is definantly going to make back the $250 million it cost to make. Superman Returns 2 here we come!! Woo! And I just love the new Superman suit. He looks more like a Superhero and not songbird.


A not so interesting PS note - I had a dream last night that I took my aunt to go see SR and it was the "edited version" and was missing about half the movie. I was soooooo pissed this morning when I woke up. But the thought of owning the DVD with the deleted scenes made my breakfast all that much tastier.


His new suit is a rubbery, washed out piece of garbage covered with scales, very anti-heroic. Superman's costume isn't supposed to be that dark. He's not an unhinged vigilante like Batman.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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