Sign In

STAR WARS - The sequel trilogy

Author
Time

Hello,

I'm new to the board, but I'm reading it from years.

 

This is a project I had in mind from about a decade and I'm now decide to try post here and see if anyone might be interested.

As - I assume - many of you I am a fan of Adywan and of his awesome work on the Saga and I consider his version to be more true to real spirit of Star Wars that most of the stuff Lucas did from 1983.

And in this sprit of recovery of the true nature of Star Wars, why don't try to complete the saga (in this case the Revisited saga) for what was originally conceived? (or at last for what many people think it was. But the "myth" of the sequel trilogy, all the rumors, the hopes, made the fact that the episode were to be 9, almost true)

 

Anyway, I have various ideas on possible plots, situation, etc, but it's all to be defined, even in my mind. 

What about to produce a story and then a screenplay, collectively?

What about really film it and make 3 movie of it? There are many skilled people here, maybe this isn't impossible.

(Long ago, TFN tried something like that, but never accomplished. And they weren't trying to do an actual trilogy of *movies*)

 

If there is someone interested I could begin post my ideas; but the *facts* that should guide us are the few "official" information we have.

 

- should take place about 40 years after ROTJ

- Luke is a Master, passing the torch to the next generation of Jedi

- rebuilding of the republic

- rebuilding of the Jedi order

- its main theme would have been "the necessity for moral choices and the wisdom needed to distinguish right from wrong"

- quoting GL "If the first trilogy is social and political and talks about how society evolves, Star Wars is more about personal growth and self realization, and the third deals with moral and philosophical problems. The sequel is about Jedi Knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned."

- Han was to be killed off in ROTJ (but this can still happen, later. I've some ideas on it)

- Episode VII was to deal with Luke's life as a Jedi.

- Episode VIII was to deal with Luke's sister (not Leia) coming from another part of the galaxy and Luke was to become a Jedi Master and pass on his training to her. This is impossible to literally accomplish as said, because Leia is Luke sister and I think she's going to remain that way in Ady' edits.

Episode IX was to feature the appearance of the Emperor and have Luke and his sister confront him on the Imperial Capital Planet of Had Abbadon, possibly bringing about the Return of the Republic and the Jedi Order. (Again, changes in ROTJ, here, made it impossible to precisely follow these guidelines, but…)

- According to Michael Kaminski's The Secret History of Star Wars, the protagonist of the third trilogy was to have been Luke Skywalker's protege or successor. Just as Obi-Wan Kenobi was to be the protagonist of the Prequel Trilogy and Luke Skywalker was the hero of the Original Trilogy, Luke's student was to be the hero of the final/third trilogy. This is supported by George Lucas's quotes about one of the themes of the sequel trilogy being "passing on what you have learned".

 

Ok, these are the guidelines. I'm now arranging the notes I wrote and - if anyone is interested - I'll begin post them.

Author
Time

Sounds like fun.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

Author
Time

Well, this are some of the ideas. Note that if I refer to something already appeared in the EU it's just to reuse the element, like sometimes GL did. The EU doesn't exist, here.

First of all:

THE POLITICAL SITUATION OF THE GALAXY

I don't see the galaxy happily reestablished as a cohesive Republic, but divided in many systems and sectors.

If you think to *real* history, we can compare the SW galaxy to ancient Rome. A Republic that grows up to include almost all known world/galaxy and in which there are growing corruption and crisis. A civil war and then the Consul/Chancellor use the situation to became Emperor.

When Rome falls, despite the efforts to keep the nation united, the former empire is divided in many little states. Formally, the legacy of the empire is transferred to the Holy Roman Empire, but the new state is just a portion of the old one, and it's not a direct heir, if not in the name.

The same for the SW galaxy: I see the galaxy divided in small "nation" of independent systems and sectors. The fall of the Empire caused a lack of centralized control. The rebels, that we have to realistic imagine fighting the last resistance of imperial army, after ROTJ are even without the Senate, dismissed by Palpatine some years before, dealings with imperial warlords, and with the needs of thousands of systems oppressed by 25 years of dictatorship and war.

They're able to take control of the core worlds but not the other systems. So, in the period of the sequels we have:

The core worlds, a democratic union of planets that largely collects the legacy of the old Republic and that is formally governed by "the Queen of her People" title which Leia is invested now (maybe it was firstly Mon Mothma)

The hutt's sector, governed by the hutts.

The mandalorian sector (because Boba is alive, right?)

Ossus, or whatever we want to call it, where Luke established the new jedi temple. Because in a galaxy divided the temple in coruscant could have been seen as stand for the core worlds, but luke wants the jedi to be seen as a peace force ro *all* the galaxy, despite political division.

Then a lot of sectors, systems and planets (naboo sector, with its queen, bespin ruled by the administrator in cloud city, etc)

and, at the edge of the galaxy, the unknown regions. Never been part of the republic nor the empire.

The relationships between the system can be different, maybe are usually quite good, but with some suspect towards the core worlds that represents the centralized government the galaxy doesn't want anymore.

The jedi are usually well received as they not stand for anyone and have members from any race or system.

 

JEDI AND MARRIAGE

Ok, Lucas here messed up *a lot*, and the EU got the situation worst.

From what we know from the prequels Jedi can't marry and have children. Fine. So the same fate will be for Luke (no Mara Jade or Ben Skywalker)

But what about Leia? By retconning her as Luke sister in ROTJ, GL made her be both the future bride of Han and future apprentice of Luke. So? She can't be either of them. So the most logical solution is made her marry Han, have children, become ruler of the core worlds as the "Queen of her people" and avoid just the Jedi fact that could prevent her from any of this roles.

As not Jedi she's able to continue the skywalker's bloodline and have to children that will be young adult at the time of the sequels (do we want to call them Jaina and Jacen and use those good names)

I see Jaina (daughter of the actual sister o Luke) in the role it should have been of "luke's sister" in the sequels guidelines. And so, made her the main character of the sequel trilogy (as Luke was in the OT).

And Jacen should not became a Jedi, both to keep them rare (the Jedi are extraordinaries, not ordinary people. what special about them if they're all Jedi?) and to allow him to continue the skywalker bloodline (yes, he his named "solo" but it's still grandson of Anakin.

 

JEDI, FORCE, PROPHECIES

How many? If the sequels are going to happen 30-40 years after ROTJ, considering that Luke is been trained in about 5 years (not true, I know, just some weeks in 4 years period, but it's just to make it simple) and assuming he has started training someone just after ROTJ, we will have 2 Jedi 5 years after ROTJ. And if both of them are going to immediately train someone else, we will have 4 Jedi in 10 years. Continuing, 16 in 15 years, 32 in 20, 64 in 25, 128 in 30, 256 in 35, 512 in 40 and go on.

So, it doesn't matter how many they are. Just that in the time of the sequels we can have dozens or hundreds of Jedi.

Then, what's the force? what's the prophecy? The prophecy "of the one who will bring balance to the force" what's the meaning? really? The old Jedi interpreted it as the one who will destroy the sith. but the story of SW shows us something really different. Shows us the one that through the dark destroyed the light and trough the light destroyed the dark. And by doing he reflected in his own life what happened to the galaxy and to the force. The Republic became empire, the jedi are destroyed, Anakin became Vader. The Empire and the sith are destroyed, Vader is once more Anakin. And the force too reflect this: in AOTC the jedi cannot see clearly, as palpatine in ROTJ.

So?

The Force was created by GL with strong oriental influences and many of its principle came from buddhism of taoism. Both the stories of Anakin and of the galaxy are a circling tao: in TPM we have the jedi at their climax, with no enemies, the yang. then the sith are discovered. The black spot. in AOTC and ROTS we see the light/yang becoming weak, the dark/yin becoming strong and Anakin slowly approach the dark side. To the end of ROTS the light is no more, the dark won both Anakin and the galaxy. But Luke is born. The white spot. through the OT we see the rebellion gaining strength over the empire, and luke becoming strong in the light. up to the victory of the light. Anakin was the one brought balance to the Force by making the Tao do a full circle. This is not clearly explained in the movies. My idea is Luke discovering about the prophecy and interpreting its meaning (and through him, let the audience understand)

But the continuing circle of the Tao implied that now that we are are at the climax of the light, a new black spot have to rise. the force/tao as to do another cycle. and this is what has to happened in the sequels.

Stop for now. I'll arrange more material for tomorrow. I hope to have interested someone! :)

Author
Time

This sounds very interesting and clearly you have given it a lot of thought already.  There are a few things I am wondering though. 

Are you planning to follow what is shown in Episodes 1-6 as being set in stone of are you happy to do a Lucas and ignore a few bits here and there if it makes it easier to fit your stories?

By your circular theory of Episodes 1-3 being the dark side of the yin/yang, and then Episodes 4-6 being the light side of the circle, then your Episodes 7-9 would focus on that dark spot and moving back into the dark side.  If I have understood this correctly doesn't that suggest either your Episode 9 will end on a bad note (like Episode 3) with a bad side victory, or you would have to fit a full cycle (like from Episodes 1-6) into your 3 part story?

This makes me wonder because either you could choose to ignore the ending of RotJ and imagine the Emperor escaped alive and then he can be your black spot bad guy, presumably ending the trilogy with his defeat.  Or if you treat the films as absolute then you would need a new enemy, a little like what happened in the Heir to the Empire books. 

Author
Time
 (Edited)

 

 

Johannus said:

This sounds very interesting and clearly you have given it a lot of thought already.  There are a few things I am wondering though. 

 

 

Are you planning to follow what is shown in Episodes 1-6 as being set in stone of are you happy to do a Lucas and ignore a few bits here and there if it makes it easier to fit your stories?

 

 

 

Thanks!

I'd like to have it based on the Adywan revisited Saga. So, e.g. if he really is to kill off Lando at the end we'll don't have him in sequels. The choice, maybe, is between having the sequels to adapt both to the GL and Revisited versions (Lando is not shown but we don't know where he really is) or just the Revisited (and have someone says something like "poor Lando, killed during the death star II assault!")

But basically, I'd preferred not to contraddict the movies.

But, what are the "few bits" you'd like to ignore?

 

 

Johannus said:

By your circular theory of Episodes 1-3 being the dark side of the yin/yang, and then Episodes 4-6 being the light side of the circle, then your Episodes 7-9 would focus on that dark spot and moving back into the dark side.  If I have understood this correctly doesn't that suggest either your Episode 9 will end on a bad note (like Episode 3) with a bad side victory, or you would have to fit a full cycle (like from Episodes 1-6) into your 3 part story?

 

 

 

From what we can see in the movies, the time for a cycle is variable. The Jedi in TPM are without Sith from a millennium. then, in less than 40 years we have a full cycle. Now we can both have a complete cycle in 3 movies of just half. We don't have limits, IMHO.

Or just have the characters (Luke) understand this and "pass the knowledge" so that when the time of a new chosen will arrive, the jedi will have better understanding of what's happening.

we could just see the black spot rise. 

Anyway, afterward I'll post some other material about that.

 

 

Johannus said:

This makes me wonder because either you could choose to ignore the ending of RotJ and imagine the Emperor escaped alive and then he can be your black spot bad guy, presumably ending the trilogy with his defeat.  Or if you treat the films as absolute then you would need a new enemy, a little like what happened in the Heir to the Empire books. 

 

 

 

making the emperor alive is like undertone the same prophecy. And it's very similar to dark empire.

I'm to post something on that afterwars but, yes, this is one of the most difficult part. To have an enemy and not made him simple repetition of what we alredy saw.

 

Author
Time

Some other thougths on that…

 

THE SITH

 

We need them. Because they're the main antagonists in all the SW movies and if those one have to appear like the real movie, they have to be in it.

Because every movie have a lightsaber duel and only a sith (or a dark jedi, or sith apprentice, doesn't matter) can engage a jedi in duel.

And because it's "the way of the Force" to cycle and to let them rise again as "black spot of the tao"

I'm still wondering how to deal with that. But what I know is that Luke will not only understand the meaning of the prophecy about his father, but at the end of the movies will be Luke himself to pronounce a new prophecy. basically the same old prophecy, about someone that in the future will have to bring balance to the force. Not a mystical vision, just true understanding of the force. He know, now, about the cycling and simply know what eventually will happen.

The new Sith can even remain a mistery. we could briefly see them on screen. they're just "the black spot" maybe they will have to wait… what? another millennium to retake the galaxy? doesn't matter!

 

 

THE MASTERMIND

 

A kind of character that basically could have been tarkin, if he have had more time. His classes, his style, united to incredible strategic capacities . A character that can deal with the jedi through his cunning. A character missing from the SW movies, a Holmes-like (or Moriarty-like) genius. In a word: Thrawn. We can call him differently, make him appear differently, but I'd like to have a character like that in the story! And maybe use his name and appearence, due his popularity.

His backstory would be more or less the same. After ROTJ he reorganized the fleet in the unknown space, melting his originary chiss system with the empire and giving born to a new "nation" that share some appeal with the old empire but is basicallt something new, deeply influenced by the chiss culture.

What Thrawn is sure about, is that the rising of the Empire saved the galaxy from self destruction. The Republic, in his own view, passed the point of no return, and only through the transformation in the empire, becoming a dictatorship and even losing the senate, palpatine was able to save it. He doesn't stand for dictatorship, but he is convinced the empire was the minor bad at the time.

The rebels were terrorists and the results are free to view for everyone: after 40 years the galaxy is broken, divided, the system are going more and more distant from one another, economy and even culture are downgrading.

In the last 40 years there is been relative peace in the galaxy, but after thrawn revelation to our heroes (he and his empire were not known) we know that they have to thank him. He passed the last 4 decades struggling with little warlords, terrorist, civil war, etc, throught the unknown regions, saving the central galaxy to be messed up by a costant war.

I imagined a little dialogue between Thrawn and the heroes:

 

THRAWN: You proudly fought the Empire! What for? To give the galaxy to the chaos?

The Empire you fought had a purpose. Order. The Republic was collapsing. The emperor saved the galaxy form chaos, transforming the Republic in the Empire.

You made that vane.

Now the result is before your eyes. The galaxy is divided. the corruption spreads troughout the sectors controlled by hutts and other scum.

The little systems are collapsing, unused to self support themselves.

 

And you keep united the core world with the force, princess.

 

And you, Master Jedi, with a self exiled Order? You escaped the same rule of this sister of yours?

 

LEIA: You can't…

 

THRAWN ITERRUPT HER: Put it as you want. But in the last decades I fought - and win - warlords and scum freed from the death of the Empire. Made free to cross the galaxy by your rebellion!

if it wasn't for me your political order woluld have never been established.

 

 

Anyway, eventually in the story their going to be somewhat allies, giving us the opportunity to see the mastermind stand for the good guys!

 

 

THE BIG 3

 

These are their final adventures. I see the group splitting during the movies. Basically Ep. VII will be their last adventure together. ep. VIII will end with the death of Han (maybe killed by Fett?) and the return of chewie to kashyyk, now freed of his life debt. in ep. IX we'll see the death of both Leia and Luke. But in the same time we'll assist to the rise of the new generation of characters. The droids, obviously, will continue to serve the heirs of the heroes.

 

A little thing about Han: I've read an interesting post by Bingowings about Fett being the mirror of Han, but his potential wasted due to poor realization of ROTJ.

Now, if I agree, I'd like to have his ideas developed in the sequels.

 

And being them one the mirror of the other… I've imagined this for their death:

 

Boba draw his blaster to shoot to Han, but Solo is faster. Shoot. Boba fall, presumibly dead.

Han: HAN ALWAYS SHOOT FIRST!

Han turn but Boba is alive. Shoot to Han.

 

Maybe here some last speech between the two, before they both die.

 

 

 

OK, that's it. More to follow...

Author
Time

Eidolon said:

 

 

THE SITH

 

We need them. Because they're the main antagonists in all the SW movies...

Except for the OT. The real antagonist was the Empire. Vader was a fallen Jedi, but his role was still one of imperial servant. At the very end we find that the Emperor also has Force powers. But it wasn't set up or presented as "Sith" vs. Jedi/rebels. Accepting the PT (and the EU), I guess one might have to accept that most of the major conflict in the universe boils down to one of sith vs. jedi. I still think thats kinda lame :/

Certainly the dark side of the Force should continue to play a role in any Star Wars movie as using the powers of the Force for evil is a powerful part of the story. But I'd caution against making it so simplistic as "Attack of the 'Sith!'"

I don't think I'm splitting hairs about the OT villains being "Sith" yet the conflict not being based on their Sithiness. At least the OT shows a way of not making it be primarily about the "Sith" so as to make it more dynamic.

Some interesting ideas you have, so wanted to throw out my 

The blue elephant in the room.

Author
Time
 (Edited)
Right, with main antagonist I mean they're the only constant villain throught the 6 movies. We see Trade Federation, Separatists, Empire, but these are always factions ruled by Sith. I don't want them to be prominent, I'm going to post more material about which are the main villains, battles, etc.
And concerning prophecy, and cycling of the Force I think it should enough to Luke to foresee this before the end of ep IX.
But I can't really imagine a SW movie without lightsaber battle. Without a Dark Side adept, call him Sith or Dark Jedi.
I don't really care if he is Sith or not, and if he is to play a minor role. He can also be barely seen a la Darth Maul or Sidious in TPM/AOTC. Even less. Just to be there in the right moment for the battle.
Even because - and this is the problem with Sith/Dark Jedi - how were they able to resurrect if no one of them is survived after ROTJ?
The options are:
1. A Jedi of the new Order that fall to the dark side (already seen in the EU and anyway it seems Anakin's story too much)
2. A self-trained Dark Jedi (possible? I don't know…)
3. A "secret apprentice" of Vader or Palpatine (already seen and with him around the victory of ROTJ wasn't be complete)
4. A Dark Jedi Order hidden in the unknown regions. Having the mastermind dealing with problems there he could inadvertently "wake them up"
5. They simply appear and the heroes never discover their origins (no way)
In some way I think the 4th option is something that maybe could work. Being these "movies", and so *playing* not to be EU but canon, they could follow the GL storyline of the galaxy in which a millennium before the movies the galaxy was ruled by the sith, eventually defeated by the Jedi end believed extinct. And so the Republic was born. So, these Sith can be a group of the first ones in some way escaped?
mh… Meditate on this, I will.

Mrebo said:

Some interesting ideas you have, so wanted to throw out my 

Thank you!!! That's why I'm posting my own here. If the project appeals to some people, we can try to do something of it, I hope!

Author
Time

I do love the idea of the cyclical nature of the force, because it suggests there was a deeper meaning that both the Jedi and the Sith have always missed due to their blind hatred of one another. 

However, if you want to use the original ideas that were revealed of the last trilogy I think you will struggle because RotJ ended the story that Episodes 4 and 5 built up.  Therefore, you can develop a whole new story with some of the characters or new characters or whatever.  Or I think if you want to extended it in the way that was first suggested I think you would need to rewrite RotJ first because things like Leia being Luke's sister and the Emperor being killed make it hard to carry on in this way.  Purely because you would be restricted by what has gone on in the films, and restricted by the rumours which would guide your new stories, and then have to make your stories fit within those lines. 

If you want to just expand after RotJ with new stories then based on what you have said I would read the Heir to the Empire books (if you haven't already) and note down every little thing you like about those stories.  Then figure out which ones don't contradict what the PT showed us, and then build your story around that.  Otherwise you are trying to redo exactly what Zahn did but possibly using some of his characters and ideas so you have to ask yourself can you do it better than he did?  By all means try, but those books would provide some food for thought if this is the direction you would like your stories to take.

Author
Time

I always thought the Dark Empire comic series would make a great sequel trilogy if it got rid of some of its silliest elements. I actually prefer it to Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy because it seems to capture the spirit of the OT much better IMO, even though Zahn's writing is top-notch.

Author
Time

I haven't read Dark Empire but isn't that the one with the Clone Emperor?  If so I think that was what put me off.

Author
Time

That's the one. If only the prequels didn't completely ignore this, it could provide a satisfying explanation of Palpatine's appearance and nature as well as give an idea of what Clone Wars were. Unfortunately when put in context with anything done for Star Wars post-1999, it comes off rather bad.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Johannus said:

I do love the idea of the cyclical nature of the force, because it suggests there was a deeper meaning that both the Jedi and the Sith have always missed due to their blind hatred of one another. 

 

That's the point! And Luke, who witnessed this, it's the one who can understand that. In fact we know that he has reached somehow a better wisdom than Ben and Yoda in believing in the good in Vader.

Johannus said:

 

 

However, if you want to use the original ideas that were revealed of the last trilogy I think you will struggle because RotJ ended the story that Episodes 4 and 5 built up.  Therefore, you can develop a whole new story with some of the characters or new characters or whatever.  Or I think if you want to extended it in the way that was first suggested I think you would need to rewrite RotJ first because things like Leia being Luke's sister and the Emperor being killed make it hard to carry on in this way.  Purely because you would be restricted by what has gone on in the films, and restricted by the rumours which would guide your new stories, and then have to make your stories fit within those lines. 

 

 

 

Making the Emperor survive would be undertone the prophecy and Anakin's role. One change I'd like to have could be Leia not being Luke's sister. But I don't want the create another version of SW. There are plenty of fan edits out there, even really good (I saw a lot of them) but the more there are, the less they mean, because they become just "another" edit. The only one who really is trying to became the new SW is revisited. That's why I want the sequels to match the event of those edits. Or maybe of both Ady's and GL's versions, so that can be seen and appreciated by more people.

Johannus said:

 

 

If you want to just expand after RotJ with new stories then based on what you have said I would read the Heir to the Empire books (if you haven't already) and note down every little thing you like about those stories.  Then figure out which ones don't contradict what the PT showed us, and then build your story around that.  Otherwise you are trying to redo exactly what Zahn did but possibly using some of his characters and ideas so you have to ask yourself can you do it better than he did?  By all means try, but those books would provide some food for thought if this is the direction you would like your stories to take.

Yes, I obviously read them like almost every EU book/comic printed. And as you can see I'm trying to save what's good in them. But my purpose is to create a new storyline. Simply, if there are good element to be used, some of them very popular between the fans, why don't use them?

Author
Time

Wexter said:

That's the one. If only the prequels didn't completely ignore this, it could provide a satisfying explanation of Palpatine's appearance and nature as well as give an idea of what Clone Wars were. Unfortunately when put in context with anything done for Star Wars post-1999, it comes off rather bad.

yes, dark empire was not bad for many elements but why Luke, the characters who resisted the Dark Side, challenged the emperor, saved the soul of the father risking his own life should now easily *choose* the dark side?

the emperor alive, again, destroy the meaning of the prophecy.

and the third one was terrible.

What I really liked was the introduction of the holrcrons, the rediscover of Ossus, the return of Boba. And yes, the pace that recall the OT's one. (Even due to the fact that the rebels are *still* rebels and are once again the small group dealing with a stronger enemy.

But if the EU satisfied me, I would not be here! ;)

Another point is that now, after dozens of books, the heroes are still struggling with enemies, battles, menaces. They're 60 and look and act like they were 30 y.o.

I'd like to give to the story and to the characters the epilogue they deserve!

Author
Time

Eidolon said:

yes, dark empire was not bad for many elements but why Luke, the characters who resisted the Dark Side, challenged the emperor, saved the soul of the father risking his own life should now easily *choose* the dark side?

the emperor alive, again, destroy the meaning of the prophecy.

and the third one was terrible.

What I really liked was the introduction of the holrcrons, the rediscover of Ossus, the return of Boba. And yes, the pace that recall the OT's one. (Even due to the fact that the rebels are *still* rebels and are once again the small group dealing with a stronger enemy.

But if the EU satisfied me, I would not be here! ;)

Another point is that now, after dozens of books, the heroes are still struggling with enemies, battles, menaces. They're 60 and look and act like they were 30 y.o.

I'd like to give to the story and to the characters the epilogue they deserve!

Well Luke's turn was a bit wierd and the third part was pretty rushed. But I think that can be improved by some creative writing.

I wouldn't worry about some "prophecy". That is merely a (really weak) element introduced in the prequels and of course if you take prequels seriously, then the emporer has already won :)

Author
Time
 (Edited)

But the prophecy was not an element introduced in the prequels... it dates back to the second draft of the original SW:

 

"…And in the time of greatest despair, there shall come a savior, and he shall be known as THE SON OF THE SUNS."

?Journal of the Whills, 3:127

 

Maybe this is not the actual text of the prophecy the prequels refers to (even if it has been retconned this way!!!) but the idea of a prophecy in the SW saga dates back to 1975! :)

...what now worry me: is Ady going to keep the references to the prophecy?

Author
Time

Fair enough, but since the prophecy isn't mentioned in the OT, you may as well disregard it if you so decide. I don't think Ady has commented in such a detail about revisiting the prequels, but I think to make them work, he is going to have to reshoot them from a scratch :)

Author
Time

I know he's going to make them "almost unrecognizable" but using existing footage.

Anyway, here Post 251 there is the Bingowings' post about Solo / Fett. It's not possible to make it works in a ROTJ edit because of the missing footage but I think something could be used in a work like this.

And about mandalorians, they could be, 40 years after ROTJ, maybe the greatest military power of the galaxy. And their mercenaries. Every faction with enough money can buy their services! They could even cheat some or more faction by being double paid...

And they could think to cheat everyone, even Thrawn's Empire. But Thrawn foresee that and surprise everyone by not falling in the trap but instead using it against the enemies.

I was also thinking to a good beginning for episode VIII, something that recalls ANH. A spaceship attack, by hutts, smugglers or someone else, against a core-worlds ship. Inside the ship we see 3PO and R2 and 3PO says that all of this remind him of something else. But luckily, this time no star destroyer!

The droids reach the command bridge where we see the aged Leia and Han. And chewie of course. 

And here we have a star destroyer exiting from hyperspace

3PO: we're doomed! 

The star destroyer, instead of attacking Leia's ship, defeats the enemy vessel with some strategies that seemed crazy at first and then - when successful - absolutely brilliant!

After the SD's victory, Leia's ship crew try to take contact, but the imperial ship disappear in the hyperspace. Han order to calculate the route, and an officer says they found every possible destination.

Maybe during the battle we saw the SD interior, maybe thrown from behind, or just the voice.

And this could be the starting point for a quest in the unknown regions, led by Luke, in which Jaina will decide to begin her training (and we'll follow her growth process during the three movies)

Author
Time

My two cents.

Sounds like a lot of fun.

Anything that has Boba Fett in it feels to me like EU Fanwank. He had cool armor. He did very little. He died. The end.

How many? If the sequels are going to happen 30-40 years after ROTJ, considering that Luke is been trained in about 5 years (not true, I know, just some weeks in 4 years period, but it's just to make it simple) and assuming he has started training someone just after ROTJ, we will have 2 Jedi 5 years after ROTJ. And if both of them are going to immediately train someone else, we will have 4 Jedi in 10 years. Continuing, 16 in 15 years, 32 in 20, 64 in 25, 128 in 30, 256 in 35, 512 in 40 and go on.

I'm not sure that every Jedi will immediatly be ready and able to go out and train (and also FIND someone capable) another Jedi every five years.

I think logically (given how important Luke was as a potential Jedi) the numbers would be much lower. Also, dramatically an order of maybe a couple dozen full Jedi (some die, some didn't find apprentices or didn't have the inclination) and a few apprentices of varying ages would be more interesting than a huge order like the PT had.

 

Author
Time

TheBoost said:

My two cents.

Sounds like a lot of fun.

Anything that has Boba Fett in it feels to me like EU Fanwank. He had cool armor. He did very little. He died. The end.

How many? If the sequels are going to happen 30-40 years after ROTJ, considering that Luke is been trained in about 5 years (not true, I know, just some weeks in 4 years period, but it's just to make it simple) and assuming he has started training someone just after ROTJ, we will have 2 Jedi 5 years after ROTJ. And if both of them are going to immediately train someone else, we will have 4 Jedi in 10 years. Continuing, 16 in 15 years, 32 in 20, 64 in 25, 128 in 30, 256 in 35, 512 in 40 and go on.

I'm not sure that every Jedi will immediatly be ready and able to go out and train (and also FIND someone capable) another Jedi every five years.

I think logically (given how important Luke was as a potential Jedi) the numbers would be much lower. Also, dramatically an order of maybe a couple dozen full Jedi (some die, some didn't find apprentices or didn't have the inclination) and a few apprentices of varying ages would be more interesting than a huge order like the PT had.

 

Boba: Even if he survives ROTJ? :D

Jedi: Yes, I definitely agree!

 

Some other thoughts:

In the second scene we meet jaina and jacen, back to coruscant. Jacen could be a politician. We always seen in SW characters like padme leia or mon mothma, female/maternal politicians and the male heroes. What about invert the roles? Jacen follow the steps of her mother while Jaina is maybe a young pilot. Not a Jedi. Not yet. Both Anakin and Luke *choosed* to become Jedi, the same should be for her. After some dialogue in which we know something of them, the ship with their parents return to coruscant. Family reunion, Han and leia tell them what happened. Leia wish to meet Luke to speak with the Jedi master about that.

Jaina said he is away. Ossus, the temple? No, she answers, somewhere else. I don't know where.

 

Then I'd like to insert a scene similar to the intro of Luke in courtship of princess leia. I hate the book but i always liked the image of this Jedi, alone, wandering in remote planets to collect what remains of the Jedi order. So, Luke alone, walking, the hood on the head, a majestic figure like he is in ROTJ. but now he's older and wiser. He enter a cave and found something. A holocron? Touching it a Jedi from the prequel era tell some particular about the order 66, he mention the prophecy. This jedi doesn't know about Anakin/vader. Luke knows and begin to understand the relationship between his father and the balance in the force.

Author
Time

You got a lot going on here. I can't read it all... kinda disjointed.

Could you pitch your ideas in three sentences or less? Like an opening crawl? 

Author
Time

TheBoost said:

Could you pitch your ideas in three sentences or less?

Sure Mr. TheBoost....but...would you like me to take my top off first?

Author
Time

...I'm not a native english speaker. So I could be wrong but... are the last post sarcastic?

Author
Time

Sorry, I only take my top off for big shot executives like Mr. TheBoost.