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Thanks for confirming! Just to make sure you guys know exactly what "crosstalk" I'm referring to:

See the sky. Apparently a mastering defect which causes the laser pickup to read a signal from the adjacent pit track that interferes with the signal from the main track as I've seen it described. Was able to get rid of it with the multi-cap median script. But I'm still not ruling out a faulty player until I'm sure you guys see the same thing. Thanks.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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msycamore said:

Thanks for confirming! Just to make sure you guys know exactly what "crosstalk" I'm referring to:

See the sky. Apparently a mastering defect which causes the laser pickup to read a signal from the adjacent pit track that interferes with the signal from the main track as I've seen it described. Was able to get rid of it with the multi-cap median script. But I'm still not ruling out a faulty player until I'm sure you guys see the same thing. Thanks.

 Yeah, we used to call this the "Herringbone Pattern" back in the day. You'd get it on some discs. It's a manufacturing fault in the actual disc, and was always grounds for an exchange. Sometimes you'd have to go through a couple of exchanges before you got a good copy.

That being said, a Laserdisc player with a misaligned laser would display this fault even on good discs...

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Video Collector said:

Yeah, we used to call this the "Herringbone Pattern" back in the day. You'd get it on some discs. It's a manufacturing fault in the actual disc, and was always grounds for an exchange. Sometimes you'd have to go through a couple of exchanges before you got a good copy.

That being said, a Laserdisc player with a misaligned laser would display this fault even on good discs...

Yes, I think it's alright as I haven't noticed it on any other discs but I just wanted to be extra sure. The "Herringbone Pattern" makes a lot of sense as that's very much what it looks like.

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msycamore said:

With all my talk of incorrect aspect ratio... when I did the correction on the Technidisc I noticed that it almost perfectly match the 2004 DVD for the most part when I resize that transfer to 704x480, I also noticed that the GOUT-print is pretty badly warped, the distortion is worst in the left part of the frame, anyway what's interesting is that I also discovered that the lightsaber shot in Ben's hut in the GOUT transfer is vertically stretched or horizontally squished, it seems to me that they spliced in that part from a different source, probably because of the "split-saber syndrome" in the '93 transfer we talked about earlier in the thread.

Can someone please post this frame:

from the '95 "Faces" transfer, I'm just curious to know if the GOUT source actually match the "Faces" release rather than DC.

 

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I hope a wee bit of "herringbone" doesn't stop you?

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I really like how your first version looks, so I'm still looking forward to your upgraded version. :)

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dave88 said:

I really like how your first version looks, so I'm still looking forward to your upgraded version. :)

 same here!

-G

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dave88 said:

I hope a wee bit of "herringbone" doesn't stop you?

No, it won't stop me. I just wanted to rule out if there's a problem with my player. The screenshot posted there was an unprocessed frame from one of the 5 captures before g-force's median script took care of it. If you check the DVD I uploaded you can see that it's no longer present.

I'm sorry that I've not yet uploaded the recalibrated DVD. It may still be some time before I'm able to. Thanks for the interest guys and sorry for keeping you wait. The good news is that csd79 is currently doing a preservation of his copy:  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-SWE-LD-preservation/topic/16578/

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Here's a video sample of what to expect: http://www.sendspace.com/file/kczofq (the dune sea of Tatooine)

It should be noted that what I will upload is not color corrected, only calibrated. But you can clearly see the night and day difference from this sample. The limitation of the source also become quite apparent. But it looks nice on my old tube, how it looks on my flat screen TV, I haven't dared to check yet. ;)

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This clip of your redone technidisc looks good. More naturalistic with less popping colours than the original. These old formats always seem dark to me when they are on computer screens as compared to how bright they come out on televisions, so for me I would always go for boosting the brightness in a media player when playing back on computer something like this:

 http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/73265

Although this extreme wouldn't be accurate

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Crispy!

May the 4th be with you :)

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Fook yeah! This is great, msycamore!

-G

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I keep checking in, just in case :)

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I might be buying a mint condition copy of the Widescreen Edition of Star Wars on LaserDisc from a gentleman who lives near me, he is slowly selling his LaserDisc Collection, and I am not sure on which version he is selling. He sent me a photo and it is the edition from 1992 with the 20th Century Fox Logo on the bottom of the cover. But I don’t know if the actual LaserDiscs themselves are the Technidisc Pressings from 1993.

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riddler95 said:

I might be buying a mint condition copy of the Widescreen Edition of Star Wars (1977) on LaserDisc from a gentleman who is slowly selling his LaserDisc Collection but I am unsure if the edition he is selling is the Technidisc Pressing from 1993. How can I tell if it is or not? It has the 20th Century Fox Logo instead of the CBS Fox Video Logo and the gatefold says 1992 but aside from that I’m don’t know where it would confirm it is the Technidisc Pressing.

It took me a long while to find one, but you’re already on the right track. Certain earlier Fox widescreen discs like SW were quietly reissued in cleaner or fixed transfers using the same Special Widescreen Edition covers but with the logo replaced by the Fox one. (DIE HARD is this way too.)

For the Technidisc, you want to find one that says disc and jacket made in the USA on the rear. But sometimes this can be inaccurate. The only definite way to tell is by reading the mint marks on the actual discs themselves. These are codes stamped on the inner ring just like the deadwax codes of an LP. Just match to the Technidisc numbers on the lddb listing page and you will be set.

Keep in mind though, most pressings out there are Mitsubishis. Good hunting!!

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Thanks for the info.

The seller sent me some pictures of the actual discs themselves and the mint marks confirm that it is the Mitsubishi Pressing from 1992. I am aware that the Technidisc Pressing from 1993 suffers from Crosstalk whereas the Mitsubishi Pressing doesn’t.

Is it still worth grabbing the Mitsubishi Pressing from 1992? The condition of the copy I may buy is like new!

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If you’re interested in one, sure. I still have my shrinking copy still for good measure, I guess if only to complete my Mitsubishi trilogy set of SWEs. Only the first film’s Technidisc is necessary. ESB and ROTJ are probably better on Mitsubishi/Pioneers.

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How bad is the Crosstalk on the Technidisc Pressing of Star Wars?

The seller also told me that he has a copy of the Widescreen Edition of Return of the Jedi, he sent me some photos of it and the condition is also like new. Maybe I should grab both?

If I do grab both titles I’ll keep looking for the Technidisc Pressing of Star Wars.

As of right now I don’t plan on tracking down the Definitive Collection or the THX (Faces) Editions because it seems redundant. I already own the 2-Disc DVD Editions of The Star Wars Trilogy from September of 2006 and the Letterboxed DVDs of the Original Versions included in those sets were sourced from the same Video Masters used for those specific LaserDisc Editions.

I also own the LaserDisc Set of the 1997 Special Edition Versions.

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riddler95 said:

As of right now I don’t plan on tracking down the Definitive Collection or the THX (Faces) Editions because it seems redundant. I already own the 2-Disc DVD Editions of The Star Wars Trilogy from September of 2006 and the Letterboxed DVDs of the Original Versions included in those sets were sourced from the same Video Masters used for those specific LaserDisc Editions.

There is merit in having both the DC or Faces and the GOUT. The GOUT has much better video quality, but the LDs have much better audio quality.

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Wazzles said:

riddler95 said:

As of right now I don’t plan on tracking down the Definitive Collection or the THX (Faces) Editions because it seems redundant. I already own the 2-Disc DVD Editions of The Star Wars Trilogy from September of 2006 and the Letterboxed DVDs of the Original Versions included in those sets were sourced from the same Video Masters used for those specific LaserDisc Editions.

There is merit in having both the DC or Faces and the GOUT. The GOUT has much better video quality, but the LDs have much better audio quality.

I’ve seen comparisons and yes the 2006 Letterboxed DVDs do look noticeably super to the Definitive Collection and the THX (Faces) Editions. But yes the audio on the LaserDiscs is superior because they use PCM Stereo which is lossless whereas the DVDs uses Dolby 2.0 Surround which is lossy.

Maybe in the near future I’ll change my mind and track down either the Definitive Collection or the THX (Faces) Editions but as of right now I’m okay without them.

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Thanks for these couple of topics on the Star Wars SWSE Technidisc LD (1993), on which I was recently coming up to speed. I had been looking around and came across one that didn’t have the mint-marks of either of the 2 same-cover, FOX Video-released laserdiscs, as described at the LaserDisc Database:

LaserDisc Database: Star Wars: A New Hope (FOX) (1977) [1130-85] wrote:

Mint Marks sample

Mitsubishi (1992):
C1130-85 A 03 A20E05213
C1130-85 B 03 B20E05217
C1130-85 C 01 C20E02637
ADD M 69 D40J2175

Technidisc (1993):
#433-083278B 08/21/93K FOX VIDEO “STAR WARS” SIDE A
#433-083279B 08/21/93O FOX VIDEO “STAR WARS” SIDE B
#433-083280B 08/21/93G FOX VIDEO “STAR WARS” SIDE C

Additional Information by svenge (1) 19/10/2011
According to the OriginalTrilogy forums, the Technidisc pressing actually has a different video master that fixes the “Incredible Shrinking Ratio” problem and has less DVNR, albeit with the downside of high cross-talk levels that Technidisc was (in)famous for in their pressings…

Would there be any accounting of mint marks that don’t match these documented ones?

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It had the proper disc labels printed Fox Video, Special Wide Screen Edition, and 1130-85. But, for example, disc “side 1” had a mint-mark of B21B13975 (or something close; fuzzy photo) and “side 3” had D30D00816 (sharp photo).

Gut feeling says Mitsubishi because they start with letters (Techidiscs start with numbers), but those numbers are undocumented in our main resource (LDDb).

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One important thing to note is that “Technidisc” is always written on the inner ring right near the mint mark, so you just have to ask a seller if they see it there.

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