STAR WARS: REBELS (animated tv series) - a general discussion thread — Page 68

Tobar said:

DominicCobb said:

It seems likely that the new show will be about [redacted]. At first I was pretty disappointed by this, mainly because I want the new show to be about all new characters (and one of these existing ones I don’t care much for). But then I had the thought, what if this isn’t going to be the only new show? I’d be pretty okay with this concept if we had an additional animated show running alongside it.

We do. It’s called The Freemaker Adventures. =P

Ha, tried it, not for me (also not canon).

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

DominicCobb said:

It seems likely that the new show will be about [redacted]. At first I was pretty disappointed by this, mainly because I want the new show to be about all new characters (and one of these existing ones I don’t care much for). But then I had the thought, what if this isn’t going to be the only new show? I’d be pretty okay with this concept if we had an additional animated show running alongside it.

By [redacted] do you mean Ezra?

By [redacted] I mean Sabine and Ashoka looking for Ezra. I’ve actually come to like both Sabine and Ezra (the former might be my favorite character on the show), but I’ve never really liked Ashoka. In fairness, that’s mostly in regard to TCW where I basically just found her to be annoying, she’s better in Rebels. But it’s still frustrating if the new show is about two existing characters looking for a third. Plus, it’d be nice if we could move a bit away from the Jedi stuff, which I liked well enough in both shows, though it feels like it’s time to move on to something else.

Still, the premise certainly presents interesting opportunities (it’s the perfect time period), such as perhaps finally exploring the “Unknown Regions” that have been mentioned a few times. Interesting to wonder too if the war is actually over at this point, they definitely suggested as much but there’s still room in there (like how they mentioned the defeat at Endor, but not Jakku).

Of course, nothing has been confirmed yet.

I personally think it’s bullshit to say Ahsoka and/or Ezra survived because even though “I’m no Jedi” for the former, Ezra IS a Jedi. And that kind of destroys the idea that Luke is the Last Jedi. But I think it was bold enough already to kill two (one for sure) of the main characters.

Collipso said:

I personally think it’s bullshit to say Ahsoka and/or Ezra survived because even though “I’m no Jedi” for the former, Ezra IS a Jedi. And that kind of destroys the idea that Luke is the Last Jedi. But I think it was bold enough already to kill two (one for sure) of the main characters.

Well we know Ezra is alive (based on Filoni statements, also so is Thrawn) but no idea what state he’s in. I’m imagining he’s sort of been out of commission in some way otherwise he’d have tried to make it back himself.

I definitely think there needs to be some explanation of what Ashoka was up to (and why, I suppose, Yoda felt they couldn’t rely on her).

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

I personally think it’s bullshit to say Ahsoka and/or Ezra survived because even though “I’m no Jedi” for the former, Ezra IS a Jedi. And that kind of destroys the idea that Luke is the Last Jedi. But I think it was bold enough already to kill two (one for sure) of the main characters.

Well we know Ezra is alive (based on Filoni statements, also so is Thrawn) but no idea what state he’s in. I’m imagining he’s sort of been out of commission in some way otherwise he’d have tried to make it back himself.

I definitely think there needs to be some explanation of what Ashoka was up to (and why, I suppose, Yoda felt they couldn’t rely on her).

Well, maybe she cut herself from the force, like Luke in TLJ, I don’t know.

On another note, these last few episodes also kind of talked about an issue I remember Neverar talked about in his TFA edit’s thread regarding hyperspace routes.

Apparently there are some huge literally space highways, the infamous hyperspace routes, and that’s why the Death Star didn’t hyperspace itself to the correct side of Yavin and why the rebels didn’t leave Hoth from the other side of the planet etc.

Collipso said:

I personally think it’s bullshit to say Ahsoka and/or Ezra survived because even though “I’m no Jedi” for the former, Ezra IS a Jedi. And that kind of destroys the idea that Luke is the Last Jedi. But I think it was bold enough already to kill two (one for sure) of the main characters.

Yoda’s dialogue in RotJ about Luke being the last of the Jedi still fits because as you stated, Ahsoka is not a Jedi and Ezra is missing. We don’t know where he is or his status. He’s simply not in the picture.

rodneyfaile said:

Collipso said:

I personally think it’s bullshit to say Ahsoka and/or Ezra survived because even though “I’m no Jedi” for the former, Ezra IS a Jedi. And that kind of destroys the idea that Luke is the Last Jedi. But I think it was bold enough already to kill two (one for sure) of the main characters.

Yoda’s dialogue in RotJ about Luke being the last of the Jedi still fits because as you stated, Ahsoka is not a Jedi and Ezra is missing. We don’t know where he is or his status. He’s simply not in the picture.

I disagree. Yoda and Obi-Wan weren’t in the picture in between RotS and SW, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t Jedi or anything like that.

Collipso said:

rodneyfaile said:

Collipso said:

I personally think it’s bullshit to say Ahsoka and/or Ezra survived because even though “I’m no Jedi” for the former, Ezra IS a Jedi. And that kind of destroys the idea that Luke is the Last Jedi. But I think it was bold enough already to kill two (one for sure) of the main characters.

Yoda’s dialogue in RotJ about Luke being the last of the Jedi still fits because as you stated, Ahsoka is not a Jedi and Ezra is missing. We don’t know where he is or his status. He’s simply not in the picture.

I disagree. Yoda and Obi-Wan weren’t in the picture in between RotS and SW, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t Jedi or anything like that.

There were in hiding, not missing. Bail Organa knew how to contact Obi-Wan and did so when Mon Mothma requested (Rogue One). Never said Ezra wasn’t a Jedi. He is unaccounted for.

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

I personally think it’s bullshit to say Ahsoka and/or Ezra survived because even though “I’m no Jedi” for the former, Ezra IS a Jedi. And that kind of destroys the idea that Luke is the Last Jedi. But I think it was bold enough already to kill two (one for sure) of the main characters.

Well we know Ezra is alive (based on Filoni statements, also so is Thrawn) but no idea what state he’s in. I’m imagining he’s sort of been out of commission in some way otherwise he’d have tried to make it back himself.

I definitely think there needs to be some explanation of what Ashoka was up to (and why, I suppose, Yoda felt they couldn’t rely on her).

I agree with this. I don’t care that she’s not technically a Jedi, she’s still a decently powerful light-side oriented force user that could have conceivably helped Luke and the rest of the OT rebels. I think that warrants an explanation.

rodneyfaile said:

Collipso said:

rodneyfaile said:

Collipso said:

I personally think it’s bullshit to say Ahsoka and/or Ezra survived because even though “I’m no Jedi” for the former, Ezra IS a Jedi. And that kind of destroys the idea that Luke is the Last Jedi. But I think it was bold enough already to kill two (one for sure) of the main characters.

Yoda’s dialogue in RotJ about Luke being the last of the Jedi still fits because as you stated, Ahsoka is not a Jedi and Ezra is missing. We don’t know where he is or his status. He’s simply not in the picture.

I disagree. Yoda and Obi-Wan weren’t in the picture in between RotS and SW, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t Jedi or anything like that.

There were in hiding, not missing. Bail Organa knew how to contact Obi-Wan and did so when Mon Mothma requested (Rogue One). Never said Ezra wasn’t a Jedi. He is unaccounted for.

Eh, I don’t think he should be unaccounted for. Sabine, a presumably non force sensitive person, is going after him with Ahsoka’s help.

He would’ve been a great help for the rebellion and for Luke, and Obi-Wan knew him too. Obi-Wan knew Ahsoka too…

Jeebus said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

I personally think it’s bullshit to say Ahsoka and/or Ezra survived because even though “I’m no Jedi” for the former, Ezra IS a Jedi. And that kind of destroys the idea that Luke is the Last Jedi. But I think it was bold enough already to kill two (one for sure) of the main characters.

Well we know Ezra is alive (based on Filoni statements, also so is Thrawn) but no idea what state he’s in. I’m imagining he’s sort of been out of commission in some way otherwise he’d have tried to make it back himself.

I definitely think there needs to be some explanation of what Ashoka was up to (and why, I suppose, Yoda felt they couldn’t rely on her).

I agree with this. I don’t care that she’s not technically a Jedi, she’s still a decently powerful light-side oriented force user that could have conceivably helped Luke and the rest of the OT rebels. I think that warrants an explanation.

Yes, that’s what I was trying to say - and I think Ezra needs an explanation too.

Ezra being missing is enough explanation for me on his front, but I agree that “Ahsoka isn’t technically a Jedi” is a load of horseshit and her not helping Luke and co. in the OT requires a satisfactory explanation on its own.

Letting her die in the S2 finale would have been perfect, but no, Filoni just can’t bring himself to kill her even though it’s the logical thing to do…

She abandoned the order before RotS by the way, and only because the order abandoned her first. And she was in the epilogue ICYMI, and I think the epilogue is set arount the time of RotJ, and she was doing just fine. I don’t think that she being trapped in Malachor is an excuse for her apparent uselessness during the OT either.

And I believe I had the same argument I was about to have with you in regards to your last paragraph in the TLJ thread with someone else. I don’t think it’s comparable. Not only that, but the point is that Yoda should’ve felt Ahsoka and told Luke something about her, and he clearly trusted her.

Now giving it some more thought, maybe she’d compromise Luke’s mission by giving him crucial information that Yoda didn’t want him to know, or something like that.

But I still think it’s bullshit - and I find it hard to believe that Ahsoka wouldn’t look for Luke after hearing that he was friends with Obi-Wan.

Ah, so many plot holes. Why not just kill her at the end of S2? It would’ve been much more powerful.

I disagree it’s a plot hole, just a big question mark.

I really don’t care about Yoda’s line, I think that works, it’s really a question of where was she? I think it’s totally possible that she actually did help out the rebellion and meet Luke, she just didn’t want to train him or face Vader again.

Ultimately there just needs to be an explanation at some point.

It all makes perfect sense to me. No plot holes whatsoever. You might not like the idea of Ahsoka and Ezra still being out there, but that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with it.

Ahsoka left the Jedi. She has her own path. Hera fought in the battle of Endor, but we didn’t see her in RotJ. Who’s to say Ahsoka didn’t help the Rebellion as well. She just wasn’t part of Luke’s JEDI path, since she left all that to make her own way.

I’m less interested about what Ahsoka was doing during RotJ and more interested in the search for Ezra and what happened to him. Give me that story!

Ahsoka did a lot more to START the Rebellion than Yoda or Obi-Wan did while hiding out. Where were they then? They could have helped Ahsoka.

I have no problem with any of it. It’s a big galaxy. I bet others survived Order 66 as well. Everyone has their own stories.

rodneyfaile said:

I have no problem with any of it. It’s a big galaxy. I bet others survived Order 66 as well. Everyone has their own stories.

This concept took me time to grow into, but I’ve since come to love the lack of strong (plot based) direct continuity/references. I was so used to the intimate story of the OT, that I lost sight of the fact that this is a galaxy wide story, and that these characters don’t HAVE TO pop up in other media to make the world feel whole. These characters all have their own paths, sometimes they cross, sometimes they don’t. But what the different SW mediums are so good at is staying true to telling their own stories, and letting us connect the dots on our own. Now, to me, that makes the GFFA feel much larger and more relatable to me.

None of my closest friends now have ever met any of my closest friends from college just 5 years ago, even though most of us live in the same area. Hera didn’t appear in RoTJ, but she was at the battle of Yavin. They’re just different stories.

Any chance Ezra and Thrawn end up crossing paths with Eli Vanto and the Chiss Ascendency? The Thrawn novel spent too much time setting up Thrawn’s long game for them to drop it. It could be interesting to explore that whole ethical dilemma through some Thrawn-and-Ezra-stuck-together stuff.

Good points Dom and Rodney. Still, I find it illogical that Ahsoka wouldn’t be an active member of the rebellion and wouldn’t have any interest in talking to Luke or looking for him or something like that, especially because Ahsoka was so active in the formation of the rebellion and she is clearly a powerful light side user, so I don’t see why she’d simply go inactive.

And ok, maybe not a plot hole, but a huge question without an answer - and if we don’t get an answer it’s definitely going to become a plot hole.

Augh, i finally watched it all and can view this thread again! 😄

I really enjoyed it, but was thrown a bit with the whales coming in to save the day (i remember disliking their introduction episode). ah, they are growing on me i suppose.

I think i need to rewatch the last 15 minutes sometime, but it felt like a good send off. really really curious what is coming next now.