I managed to watch the finale. Gotta say, it was actually pretty good. I particularly liked seeing those inquisitors
SPOILERS!!!
buy the farm; they were utterly lousy villains and I was happy to see each one of them die undignified deaths.
On first glance I thought you were saying you liked the inquisitors…
I agree I was quite happy to see each of them die, hopefully never to return?
Finale was pretty good. Sabercopters were obviously silly but what I thought was really bollocks was that we didn’t see Ashoka die. Shame.
Anyway, Season 2’s been good fun, but ultimately not quite on the level of the first. Didn’t really live up to the promise of the premiere. Still very excited for Season 3.
I agree I was quite happy to see each of them die, hopefully never to return?
I forget where exactly, but I saw an excerpt from an interview with Filoni the other day where he said that if those aren’t the last inquisitors we’ll see, they’re the next to last. He talked a bit about how as they get closer in the timeline to ANH, they’re trying to play more and more by the OT’s rules, and that everyone thinks there’s no place in that era for the inquisitor characters.
I agree I was quite happy to see each of them die, hopefully never to return?
I forget where exactly, but I saw an excerpt from an interview with Filoni the other day where he said that if those aren’t the last inquisitors we’ll see, they’re the next to last. He talked a bit about how as they get closer in the timeline to ANH, they’re trying to play more and more by the OT’s rules, and that everyone thinks there’s no place in that era for the inquisitor characters.
Was it this? http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/03/31/star-wars-rebels-dave-filoni-on-ahsokas-fate-mauls-return-and-much-more
Thanks for the tip to make me search for this, certainly an interesting read, I really respect what they are doing with rebels.
I forget where exactly, but I saw an excerpt from an interview with Filoni the other day where he said that if those aren’t the last inquisitors we’ll see, they’re the next to last. He talked a bit about how as they get closer in the timeline to ANH, they’re trying to play more and more by the OT’s rules, and that everyone thinks there’s no place in that era for the inquisitor characters.
So that explains why each and every one of these characters has been dimensionless cypher cannon fodder?
THAT final theme. Just Wow.
It should be used in edits of ROTS.
From the first viewing (should I say hearing), I can’t get out of my head that if I was the one to name it, I’d say that score should be called “Will of the Force”. Again, it’s tragic, but its sober and heroic, all at once. It has (difficult to express in a non native language) some kind of solemnity that makes it very fit for grand events which are determined by Fate.
ROTS should end on that note. Not as it stands now with QuiGonn’s funeral theme grieving on Anakin’s decissions as if those decissions had been truly his, but more with a sense of “these things happened because they were meant to be from the very beginning. This is how cards unfold”. I guess this angle was chosen on rebels exactly because we knew what inevitably was going to happen with Ahsoka, and the music sort of supports perfectly that very concept of greek tragedy, unavoidable fate has come to be for master and apprentice.
From a certain point of view, that should be the spirit of Anakin’s journey.
Filoni should be in charge of a Star Wars movie, preferentely featuring Anakin Skywalker. He has proven to be worthy of that more than anyone close to Star Wars in recent times. He has what it takes to redeem the character.
So that explains why each and every one of these characters has been dimensionless cypher cannon fodder?
I kind of liked the Jason Isaacs one, especially since we got that background in “Shroud of Darkness” that he was previously a temple guard. But really mostly because Jason Isaacs has a great voice. This season’s inquisitors were pretty terrible, though.
It’s sort of the nature of the show. I might be wrong but I think honestly the only times we saw the new inquisitors was when they were facing off against our heroes. Hard to think much about them if we don’t get anything in the way of characterization for them.
I didn’t hate them but yeah fodder is the right word.
Also, I too liked the Jason Isaacs one which probably was at least 80% due to the Jason Isaacs voice.
I wish they had kept the Isaacs Inquisitor alive and made him the only Inquisitor. It would have been awesome if his past as a Temple Guard affected Kanan’s interactions with him.
I thought it was terrific stuff, the finale. Plus:
Rebels is canon.
Anakin has eyebrows in Rebels.
Anakin has eyebrows in Harmy’s ROTJ.
Harmy is canon.
^Not sure if semi-serious.
Vader with eyebrows was a bit of a head scratch. I can only assume it’s an homage to OUROTJ. Still, this is a series that is firmly entrenched in the PT continuity (this episode especially) and Anakin clearly lost his eyebrows. And, honestly, I think getting rid of the eyebrows in ROTJ is a good change - it makes sense considering.
Also not sure if I buy the logic of hearing Anakin’s voice when the mask is damaged. And why the fuck is Vader always getting his mask broken and face exposed in EU stuff?
Vader with eyebrows was a bit of a head scratch. I can only assume it’s an homage to OUROTJ.
Not sure: it’s only to use less than half a face that can be easily recognizable to Ahsoka. It helps to create the emotion of the scene. It you use the eyebrowless face, you don’t link CW Anakin to Rebels Anakin/Vader. That’s all.
I’m rewatching the entire series and I’m very surprised that the first season is in fact quite good (I’m half way through it, even the “Pitch Black” episode is a lot a fun - would be great to get Vin Diesel as an Inquisitor voice performer for season 3). Rebels really is a better series that Clone Wars: more character oriented, does play well with both OT and PT elements, best narrative value; whereas CW was essentially war porn and endless action scenes with minor (and uninteresting) movie characters. CW was only good when it was focused on Ahsoka and Anakin (and sometimes on Obi-Wan, Maul, Ventress); Rebels greatly benefits of it.
Let’s just hope they finish the series this time and don’t make it last beyond 3 or 4 seasons.
Just a thought: could Ezra be the “another one” Yoda mentions in ESB (since it’s not Leia, who has never managed to learn the ways of the Force) ? He’s the same age as Luke (both born on Empire Day). Or could he be related to the Knights of Ren ?
Or Ezra could be Snoke. I loved the finale! And love rebels! Filoni just seems to know Star Wars so well. Saber copters were my sole complaint.
Just a thought: could Ezra be the “another one” Yoda mentions in ESB (since it’s not Leia, who has never managed to learn the ways of the Force) ?
LUKE
Yoda spoke of another.BEN
The other he spoke of is your twin sister.
Originally when there were going to be 9-12 films the plan was to have Luke go off in search of his sister after ROTJ. But after ESB proved to be a huge hassle for George he decided to cut it short and just have the three films. But they’d already hinted at this other so they made Leia his sister to tie that up. The original intention was that if Luke failed Yoda could then try to recruit Luke’s mystery sister to finish the job.
As for Ezra, I think he has a very dark path ahead of him…
Oh, I did not remember there was this dialogue in ROTJ. Ok then, case dismissed 😃 Ezra as Snoke ? Why not, but Snoke seems very (very) old and barely human (he seems to be the same species as Ventress). I still think Snoke is going to be a completey new character.
I seem to remember Abrams, Kasdan, Serkis, and Pablo Hidalgo all referring to Snoke as being “very old” or “ancient” in various interviews. That language makes it sound to me like he’s probably not the same age as Luke and Leia, whom I’d classify as “kind of old”.
If I’m not mistaken, “The ancient fear” was said to have been a possibility for Ep VII.
Back to eyebrows: would you believe they actually acknowledge this on starwars.com on the episode page?!
“Although the final cut of Return Of The Jedi has an eyebrow-less unhelmeted Darth Vader, to better read in animation, the animation model has the dark brow visible through the cracked helmet.”!
I watched the PT about a month ago and the OT this week (I just finished ROTJ twenty minutes ago, which is why I’m inspired to post this at this particular moment), with the second half of Rebels season 2 spread out in between as my lead-up for tomorrow’s TFA blu-ray release, and I’m really struck by how well this show works as connective tissue. The two trilogies have never felt more like they exist in the same universe for me than they did going into Star Wars straight from that last Ahsoka arc with the prequels still in recent memory.
I think we all know who he is
I watched the PT about a month ago and the OT this week (I just finished ROTJ twenty minutes ago, which is why I’m inspired to post this at this particular moment), with the second half of Rebels season 2 spread out in between as my lead-up for tomorrow’s TFA blu-ray release, and I’m really struck by how well this show works as connective tissue. The two trilogies have never felt more like they exist in the same universe for me than they did going into Star Wars straight from that last Ahsoka arc with the prequels still in recent memory.
And you don’t even really need to watch “The Clone Wars” (well, at least 10/15 episodes to understand it better). I have finished my “Rebels” season 1 run, it’s very good, even the weak episodes deliver something to the characters or the universe. It’s a ANH reboot, but a clever one (not a lazy “JJ Galaxy” thing I couldn’t care less about, with once great characters now old and useless, so old and so useless…), that links PT and OT naturally.
Han did a great many things in TFA such as getting Finn onto SKB and helping him take down the shields and he and Chewie blow up that giant whole which lead to SKB being destroyed. Luke was barely in the thing so to call him useless in unfair due to the 30 seconds of screen time the man got but I guess you can say Leia was pointless but she is what got the ball rolling by sending Poe to Jakku.
I don’t know why you keep on doing this to yourself.
And you don’t even really need to watch “The Clone Wars” (well, at least 10/15 episodes to understand it better). I have finished my “Rebels” season 1 run, it’s very good, even the weak episodes deliver something to the characters or the universe. It’s a ANH reboot, but a clever one (not a lazy “JJ Galaxy” thing I couldn’t care less about, with once great characters now old and useless, so old and so useless…), that links PT and OT naturally.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree on TFA, but as far as Rebels and The Clone Wars go, I definitely think SWR is the better show, but its connections with TCW are a necessary part of why I think it does such a good job of unifying everything. I never felt like there was any disconnect at all between the PT and TCW; those always blended well to my mind. So now when SWR - a show that looks and feels more like the OT than the PT - lifts stuff from TCW, that creates a bridge across the huge tonal and aesthetic gap between the live action trilogies. Having Rex and Ahsoka and Hondo coming in and out of the story in a believable way while people like Lando and Leia are doing the same does wonders to make it feel like one big timeline rather than two separate eras. Bringing Matt Lanter in as Anakin alongside James Earl Jones as Vader did a lot for me to legitimize the idea that OT Vader and PT Anakin are the same character, as well. Until that finale, that was something that I accepted intellectually but that never actually felt true on a gut level.
Lord Haseo said:
I don’t know why you keep on doing this to yourself.
You mean having my own opinion ? Crazy, isn’t it ?
Like I said to you (a few weeks ago ?) you’re not on a mission to defend TFA each time someone says something against this thing/“movie”. Don’t take it personnaly, you love it, I don’t, end of story. Don’t want to argue with you on every thread about it. I don’t even read most of your posts (whereas you seem to fetch every single one I write on this forum), so there is really no use, save your time dude. Will talk about it further when Ep VIII is released, until then I stick to my view (which is: “good first 45 minutes, then less and less interesting and increasingly stupid screenplay”), whatever you can say. As if I needed someone to explain me such a dull movie anyway…
Now, back to the only interesting thing about SW since ROTS…
as far as Rebels and The Clone Wars go, I definitely think SWR is the better show, but its connections with TCW are a necessary part of why I think it does such a good job of unifying everything.
Yes, it’s kind of a reward for having watched the 120 or so TCW episodes. Too bad the series was too long and failed at focusing on a few characters only (Bane, Windu, Padmé, Satine, Dooku, Grievous, even Yoda: don’t really care about them in TCW. Anakin, Ahsoka, Maul, Ventress, Palpatine, Obi-Wan: great stuff). But I’ve made a best of list when I watched it, so next time I want to make a TCW run it won’t be a complete run, only a selection that ends with the 4-part Ahsoka centric story, which is greatly followed by the Ahsoka/Vader subplot of SWR. I really hope they will link it closely and nicely to ROGUE ONE and finish it at its best (not like the awful TCW season 6…).