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ChainsawAsh said:

Blackhawk, we are DEFINITELY on the same page.  That just sounds amazing - God, if only the real prequels had been like this ...

And that outline makes me warm up quite a bit more to the whole "Sith" thing.

I'd comment more, but I'm still a bit overwhelmed by that outline, and I need to get some real-life stuff taken care of at the moment.  But wow, fantastic job there.

TheBoot, you have some good ideas, but it feels simultaneously too similar to ideas already presented to the point where it's really not much new, and too similar to the prequels as they exist today.  I know that seems contradictory, but that's the feeling I got when I read them.  Also, it's far too clear that Anakin is Vader at the end.  But there are some good ideas in there, as well.

I still really hate the OT of preserving the OT secrets in the prequels. I thought the whole point of the prequels were to show everything the characters talked about in the OT. Anakin's fall, the Empire's rise, The destruction of the Jedi, The Clone Wars, Palpatine's rise to power, Luke and Leia's birth and separation ect. I don't like the idea of never seeing Anakin's gradual fall to the dark side. Sorry guys, I'm just not seeing it. The prequels failing was all in writing, acting, direction in characterization, not in story or concepts.

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Blackhawk, we are DEFINITELY on the same page.  That just sounds amazing - God, if only the real prequels had been like this ...

And that outline makes me warm up quite a bit more to the whole "Sith" thing.

I'd comment more, but I'm still a bit overwhelmed by that outline, and I need to get some real-life stuff taken care of at the moment.  But wow, fantastic job there.

TheBoot, you have some good ideas, but it feels simultaneously too similar to ideas already presented to the point where it's really not much new, and too similar to the prequels as they exist today.  I know that seems contradictory, but that's the feeling I got when I read them.  Also, it's far too clear that Anakin is Vader at the end.  But there are some good ideas in there, as well.

 

I still really hate the OT of preserving the OT secrets in the prequels. I thought the whole point of the prequels were to show everything the characters talked about in the OT. Anakin's fall, the Empire's rise, The destruction of the Jedi, The Clone Wars, Palpatine's rise to power, Luke and Leia's birth and separation ect. I don't like the idea of never seeing Anakin's gradual fall to the dark side. Sorry guys, I'm just not seeing it. The prequels failing was all in writing, acting, direction in characterization, not in story or concepts.

In that case why not call them Episodes VII through to IX and tell that story as a flashback and tell an even earlier story for I to III.

That way you can tell your story of the origin of Anakin as Luke discovering his roots after Endor and not worry about surprises and people watching in chronological order remain spoiler free.

Then you get your trilogy of trilogies.

To be very daring you could make Episodes I to III after Endor and set up the reason why Luke needs to investigate his past.

So the three trilogies run in reverse.

TheBoost said:

ChainsawAsh said:

TheBoot, you have some good ideas, but it feels simultaneously too similar to ideas already presented to the point where it's really not much new, and too similar to the prequels as they exist today.  I know that seems contradictory, but that's the feeling I got when I read them.  Also, it's far too clear that Anakin is Vader at the end.  But there are some good ideas in there, as well.

 

 Like I said, I'm really trying to make an amalgam of what I think are some of the stronger concepts presented so far, I'm not trying to present it as 'mine.'

Oh, I totally understand that, I wasn't knocking you at all.

I guess what I was trying to say is if you have ideas that haven't been presented thus far, don't be afraid to put them out there.  Others may like them, they may not, but the more ideas we have from everyone, the more options we have.

Octorox said:

I still really hate the OT of preserving the OT secrets in the prequels. I thought the whole point of the prequels were to show everything the characters talked about in the OT. Anakin's fall, the Empire's rise, The destruction of the Jedi, The Clone Wars, Palpatine's rise to power, Luke and Leia's birth and separation ect. I don't like the idea of never seeing Anakin's gradual fall to the dark side. Sorry guys, I'm just not seeing it. The prequels failing was all in writing, acting, direction in characterization, not in story or concepts.

The purpose of these prequels isn't to show what the characters talked about in the OT - it's to enrich our understanding of the events in the OT.  The difference is subtle, but important.  If you just show what people talked about, there's nothing engaging about it - you know all the key parts, it's just filling in details.  That's one (of many) failing of the current PT - it just filled in details that didn't really need filling in.

What we're trying to accomplish (at least, what I'm trying to accomplish) is to tell a story worthy of 'Star Wars' set during this time that can be enjoyed in conjunction with - or separate from - the original trilogy.  That's the major problem of the PT - if you haven't seen the OT, it won't make much sense.  If you have, it doesn't make sense based on what the OT was.

We don't want to ruin the experience of the OT with this series.  I don't agree with the idea that just because 'Star Wars' is such a huge worldwide phenomenon, we should just assume that the audience watching knows everything already.

Plus, from Blackhawk's outlines, the preservation of these secrets isn't remotely hurting the story.  The way I look at it, if you can preserve the secrets, fantastic!  If doing so harms the story or the emotional "punch," then forget about it and tell it how it should be told.  So far, it's not hurting anything.

Honestly, the real reason we're keeping the secrets is because George thought it'd be a good idea to number the originals 4, 5, and 6.  If he hadn't done that, I firmly believe we wouldn't be having this discussion today at all - it would be absolutely clear that the prequels were to be watched after the OT, and we wouldn't need to argue over keeping the secrets or not.

The prequels failing was all in writing, acting, direction in characterization, not in story or concepts.

That's a contention I have to disagree with.  The story and concepts of the prequels were most certainly failings, perhaps their greatest.

I have to admit, the murder-mystery is intriguing, but a bit confusing for a Star Wars. I'm also not hot on the Sith being an organization made up of a bunch of Darths (IMHO one of the more disapointing aspects of the PT). It cheapens Vader's awesomeness.

I think the balance between keeping OT secrets and not is going to be very very tricky. Finding a way for the main character (Obi) to know the horrific fate of another main character (Anakin) but leave the audience in the dark will involve too many switcheroos and red herrings. At worst it might seem totally unsatisfying. If Anakin, one of the heroes, falls to evil, the audience needs to SEE it. I think leaving Anakin's fate and Vader's identity ambiguous might be the best way to go.

On the other hand, certain secrets, like keeping Yoda off camera, will be easy as pie.

I think cloaking devices and people being replaced with clones is a little to 'sci-fi' for Star Wars. Excepting the mere existence of the Death Star, technology plays an extremely limited role in the OT.

RANDOM THOUGHTS:

The Jedi are like gunslingers with white hats. They wander the galaxy, fixing wrongs, keepin' the peace. They meet up from time to time, expecially to discuss the training of young Jedis, but mainly do their own thing, often traveling in pairs, but not always.

The more I think on it, the more I think a Anankin-NotPadme-Bail Organa love triangle could be on the of the central spines of the NPT.

Palpatine doesn't have to be deceptive. Hitler was a wild, violent revolutionairy the entire time, people who liked him were just happy he was on their side. In times of crisis, a vicious old man with icewater in his veins may be just the sort of leader the peoples want. If he's plainly very aggressive, we can play him as a foil to Bail Organa.

The idea of galactic piracy has grown on me (although not Sith Pirates). It could form a good conflict, especially if the pirates are aliens, as that segueways into the Empires anti-alien policies. It would allow a sort of space-battle we haven't really seens. Medium sized ships blasting at eachother. Close quarter fighting deck to deck. It also opens the door for some cool minor characters, friends or foes.

One of the flaws of the PT was the constant repitition of the same planets. Naboo, Coruscant, Tatoine. I'd like to see some cool new planets. An underwater planet. A tropical archipeligo planet. A planet of gleaming quartz mountains. The only cool planets in the PT were Utapau (which we saw so little of) and Mustafar.

While we certainly want to make a PT that is more in line with the OT, we also don't want to fall in the trap many sequels do of simply rehashing the originals.  Just because the cloaking devices and clone replacments aren't in the OT doesn't mean that they're out of place, just that they weren't in the OT.  Then, of course, we run the risk of crossing that line that the PT seemed to ignore the existence of.

My point is, we can't make it TOO much like the OT, but we can't stray too far either.

Boost-

If you read my questions to be answered by Ep2 & 3 you will see that other "Darths" doesn't belittle Vader.  In the end, with their task of destroying the Jedi complete, Vader will destroy all of the Sith, thus becoming their DARK LORD (bringer of death).  Also don't worry about too many red herrings, as of the end of Ep2 they are done.  As I've posted earlier, I feel that Ep2 is the most dificult of the three scripts.  It deals with MOST of the secrets in a way that will be exciting for new and old fans.  I figure by the time we get to the Obiwan lightsaber fight, fans will figure that the dark figure is Anakin, and newbies will figure it's Obi's student.  It gives both parties a nice twist and ups the ante for Ep3.  I think we can handle mystery without being confusing to the audience.

If everyone WANTS space pirates, I think we should save them for when we start Ep7.  =-o

A crumbling empire and a new republic stumbling to find its footing would be a great setting in which pirates could take advantage.

As a little aside for today...

Did anyone catch the Cone Wars episode Trespass?

This was a great episode that ALMOST fits between my Ep1 and 2 outlines.

The chairman is extremely paranoid and requests aid from the senate.  This is what I was talking about with worlds looking out for themselves and not the good of the whole republic.

The Jedi are a peaceful influence who will NOT go to war, but are looking for truth and justice.

Obiwan guides the young senator but doesn't solve her problem with his lightsaber.

And since we never see a clone face, the republic troops could just be troops.

Even C3p0 is almost dignified.

All around GREAT episode!

Only two things don't fit in with the NPT...

The trashed droid ship should be a Mandalorian clone ship and there should be no mention of the jedi council.

Hush!!! Still have to watch that episode! ;)

One thing that was what in heavy indiscussion by the time of 1998, during the hype for episode1 is that the Obi-Wan of the OT is actualy a clone of the real Obi-Wan that was killed during the clone wars. This story always made me laugh but maybe there is a thing that can be found behind this silliness, I don't know.

Let's say... Ben Kenobi is the first Jedi to be cloned because the Jedi are already not very numerous. His clone is called Obi-One (pronunced Wan... Let's say "Obi" means "Clone" in some ritual Jedi language I don't know.), then Ben dies and Obi1 survives. When on Tatooine he takes the name of his original model, Ben...

I can't believe I'm writting this! Ah!

oops, sorry TMBTM, I hope I didnt say too much.

I stick by using the OT and the Thrawn trilogy as canon for our "NPT" as some have taken to calling it.

If I remember right, "Heir to the Empire" mentioned that attempted Jedi clones were highly mentally unstable (although I think it was really all "first generation" clones, I think it makes more sense for overall continuity if it's Jedi clones in general).  I think that's perfect - why wouldn't the Emperor, or even the Mandalorians, try to clone Jedi that they could use to their benefit?

But if we stick by that, that means that Obi-Wan of the OT certainly can't be a clone.

That and I'm not fond of the idea in general.

It would be very interesting to see clones that come out fine, and a few that didn't quite come out right... I would love to see a few lunatics running around... You could even kinda do a SW version of Sylar from Heroes where he kinda goes off and does his own crazy rogue thing. Wow...Just had a thought......

What if Anakin has a clone made of him, and it's a known thing at one point in the story... and one of the two becomes vader but you ASSUME it's the crazy lunatic clone, when in reality it's the real Anakin.... But, that's only really a good idea if it's conveyed in ROTJ as well...  But maybe there is something that could be done there.

hmmm... can't say I'm a fan of cloning Jedi.  I don't really see the Jedi as anything physically SPECIAL.  Just people who answer the call and commit to the force.  Otherwise we are headed down the midichlorian path. And that path leads to madness.

But I guess the bigger question is who would be doing this?

If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.

If you mean the republic, I don't see Palpatine going for it.  Remember he wanted to wipe out all the Jedi and would have killed jedi babies because their power could be a threat.  Even if he created them to be under his control, I believe (again with the babies) he would be too paranoid that they would try to overthrow him.

I agree, that cloning would be against the force.... which in my opinion is why they wind up insane. Almost as if because they are abominations they are rejected by the force. But then it depends on how you approach the force... Is the Force like God, and Sith the Devil, or is the Force one entity with dark and light sides... If you play the God/Devil angle, then that explains why an abomination could receive power... and yes I know the OT leans more towards a light/darkside force, but what if that's simply different opinions within the faith? Obviously I'm being more complicated than the film should be, but the ideas could be there in a more simplified way.

If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.

Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.

You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...

TMBTM said:

If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.

Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.

You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...

You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.

Octorox said:

TMBTM said:

If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.

Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.

You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...

 

You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.

I have to disagree.... It's clearly a mix of Sci-fi/fantasy. It could easily fit into either genre. Regardless, none of us would probably be even discussing clones if the term "The Clone Wars" had never been spoken. When i saw A New Hope the first time, I had an epic idea of what that looked like... And i'm sorry, you can't get around the sci-fi aspects when dealing with a clone war.... Just my opinion though.

Octorox said:

TMBTM said:

If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.

Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.

You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...

 

You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.

Replacing characters with evil copies is the stuff of legend, it's Changelings, Doppelgangers and the like, the clone thing just gives it a space aged edge so I wouldn't object to it within a space fantasy context as long as it's a metaphor for something of a mythical flavour.

Octorox said:

TMBTM said:

If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.

Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.

You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...

 

You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.

I really don't understand this mentality at all.  Star Wars is CLEARLY sci-fi.  Not necessarily "Star Trek" sci-fi where every minute detail has to be explained in a scientific way - THAT'S the difference.

Carbon freezing?  That's not sci-fi?  That's not an element of plot?  Hyperspace?  Huge space stations that can destroy planets?

I agree that Star Wars is a fantasy/adventure story in space, but to say that it's not sci-fi is kind of narrow-minded.  I'd describe it as a sci-fi fantasy, where certain things are explained away by the "fantasy" aspect and others the "sci-fi" aspect, as opposed to other sci-fi stories were everything is explained by it being "sci-fi" (Blade Runner, Alien, Dune, Star Trek ... )

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

TMBTM said:

If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.

Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.

You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...

 

You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.

I really don't understand this mentality at all.  Star Wars is CLEARLY sci-fi.  Not necessarily "Star Trek" sci-fi where every minute detail has to be explained in a scientific way - THAT'S the difference.

Carbon freezing?  That's not sci-fi?  That's not an element of plot?  Hyperspace?  Huge space stations that can destroy planets?

I agree that Star Wars is a fantasy/adventure story in space, but to say that it's not sci-fi is kind of narrow-minded.  I'd describe it as a sci-fi fantasy, where certain things are explained away by the "fantasy" aspect and others the "sci-fi" aspect, as opposed to other sci-fi stories were everything is explained by it being "sci-fi" (Blade Runner, Alien, Dune, Star Trek ... )

Yup.

Octorox said:

You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.

Well I kind of understand your point, I like my Star Wars western style too even if it IS sifi. But as we somehow needs to incorporate a clone story somewhere I thought about the "evil copies" plot cause it's more characters oriented than a huge clone army story. Plus you don't have to wonder if the OT stormtroopers are still clones or just human soldiers.

PS: Of course "more characters" oriented story does not mean no huge space battles!

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

TMBTM said:

If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.

Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.

You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...

 

You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.

I really don't understand this mentality at all.  Star Wars is CLEARLY sci-fi.  Not necessarily "Star Trek" sci-fi where every minute detail has to be explained in a scientific way - THAT'S the difference.

Carbon freezing?  That's not sci-fi?  That's not an element of plot?  Hyperspace?  Huge space stations that can destroy planets?

I agree that Star Wars is a fantasy/adventure story in space, but to say that it's not sci-fi is kind of narrow-minded.  I'd describe it as a sci-fi fantasy, where certain things are explained away by the "fantasy" aspect and others the "sci-fi" aspect, as opposed to other sci-fi stories were everything is explained by it being "sci-fi" (Blade Runner, Alien, Dune, Star Trek ... )

Science Fiction is an unfortunate genre label.

What the term really refers to is Speculative Fiction, writers and readers are given a set of items which have yet to have been proven to exist and from that selection of ideas a story is created set in a world with those plausible but as currently realised items.

Bladerunner, 2001, Dune fit that criteria.

Star Trek sits in the middle (sound in space doesn't work but space warping might).

Star Wars doesn't fit at all, it uses space as the far and distant land of ancient myth so it's Space Fantasy.

That doesn't make it less a story telling realm and the story still has to obey the rules of that fantasy landscape but the audience doesn't expect or need for it to make scientific sense.

It's Sinbad with laser swords.

 On the admitted fuzzy continuum between what exactly is 'hard' or 'soft' sci-fi, I think secret clone duplicates and cloaking devices are a little on the 'hard' side for Star Wars.  Ideas like clone-rights, or battling your own clone feels thematcially off. I'm more partial to cloaking devices, as long as the technology of cloaking isn't one of the principal plot points. Inivisble ships suddenly appearing might be cool.

I'm also not in love with with Zahn trilogy. Insane clones, Luuke Skywalker, and Thrawn, a character so awesome he keeps the heroes from ever doing anything particuarly cool. I don't see why we'd want to be bound by anything in it.

I like the clonetroopers in the PT because really, the issue of them being clones is fairly unimportant. What's important was that they were an army from nowhere. I like the idea that in the NPT, whoever the enemy is (Mandalorians? Pirates?) they have clone shocktroopers.

My enthusiasm for this is beginning to wane.  Not because people disagree with me - rather, because all this argument over what's "too sci-fi" has made me realize how truly unnecessary the prequels are to begin with.  Any prequels are, well, just not needed.  All the information necessary for the story presented in Star Wars/Empire/Jedi is given in those movies.

Let me demonstrate what I mean:

The Clone Wars were a war or wars in the past that the Jedi (a group of people who are sensitive to the Force, an energy field created by all living things that the Jedi can tap into in order to perform amazing feats and have a life of inner peace) were involved in.  Obi-Wan fought as a general in them for Leia's [adoptive] father, as did Anakin.

It is implied that from these wars sprang the Empire, a governmental system headed by Emperor Palpatine, a user of the Dark Side of the Force (the path of fear, anger, and hatred, the "bad" or "evil" side).  The Empire replaced the Old Republic, which had been governed by a Senate.

Obi-Wan had trained Anakin, thinking he could teach him as well as Yoda, but failed, and Anakin turned to the Dark Side.  Anakin had twins that were separated at birth to hide them from the Empire.  Anakin became Darth Vader, becoming "more machine than man" at some point apparently due to injuries, and served the Emperor, hunting down and killing all the Jedi, save for Obi-Wan and Yoda.

There is a rebellion against the Empire full of people trying to restore the good of the Republic.

Obi-Wan tried to turn Anakin back to the good side, unable to let his friend turn without trying to help him.

Hmm ... I think that's about it.

Anyway, my point:

Why do you need to see all of this?  You know it happened.  Does it really matter that much "how" or "why?"  And why would you care enough to sit through three movies whose entire point is just to explain things you already basically know?

Maybe I'll get my zest for this project back after thinking about it more, but after really thinking about it, I just don't really care how all that happened, because clearly the more interesting story has already been told.  If that's not true, then why did Lucas make "IV-VI" first instead of "I-III"?  And don't tell me the whole "technology" bullshit, if that were truly the case then the prequels we got are proof that they didn't need to be made anyway.

I'll sleep on it and see if I still care in the morning, or if I'd be content with pretending there's only 3 "Star Wars" movies for the rest of my life (I think the latter will win out).

Sigh... Say it aint so Chainsaw.

I know how this whole thing can seem like a waste of time when people get hung up on semantics.  That's how I was feeling during the great pirate debate.  I know we can PRETEND their were only three Star Wars movies, but I KNOW there COULD have been six if Lucas hadn't lost his way.

Why try?

To prove it CAN be done!

(that and I feel I'd lose the one person who understood where I was coming from)

Yeah, you're right ... I guess it just seemed to me that everyone else is thinking in such a radically different direction than us, and I think your outlines are so good, Blackhawk, that the idea of compromising to make it "less sci-fi" seemed utterly ridiculous when (I feel) that Star Wars is a sci-fi fantasy to begin with.

That and I'm rereading the Zahn books (I haven't since the SE came out) and realizing that TheBoost is right about them, so I was already disillusioned about that, then to come here and see everyone arguing over whether it's "too sci-fi" or whatever just seemed ridiculous to me.

I think any prequel story we'll come up with is going to be more sci-fi-ish than the original trilogy anyway by necessity - we HAVE to deal with politics, we HAVE to deal with cloning, etc.  I just want these things to be interesting and make us think, regardless of how "sci-fi" it is.