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STAR WARS - Enhanced HD & O-OT HD Packs... some suggestions...

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hi!

what if they released (like hell they will) the STAR WARS O-OT in it's most pristine High Def form... no alterations what-so-ever.
with all the bonus materials in the world Somehow... including Deleted Scenes, a super big Making-Of, and all kinds of good stuff...
--including: isolated score, and four commentary tracks -- Director & Producer - Cast - Composer - Post-Production Crew

and then also released a revitalized OT with enhanced effects! Here's what I was thinking...

--Episode IV---
- Better Jabba...
- more characters at Mos Eisley... alot more.. and better CGI!
- Finally PT-Quality LightSabers!!! FINALLY!! PLEASE!
- totally new, totally CGI, Episode III quality, Battle of Yavin!
Including alot more X-Wings, alot more TIE fighters and alot more action!
- maybe some wide-shot CGI doubles for the duels... to liven it up a little.
- A better and more original Death Star explosion

--Episode V---
- totally new, totally CGI, Episode III quality, Battle of Hoth!
Including 6 more AT-ATs, a thousand more Rebel Troops, and a thousand Snow Troopers
duking it out at Hoth with more Snow Speeders and cooler angles and shots!
- CGI Yoda (tough one)
- Re-filmed Ian McDarmid Emperor shot... his face is just too fat and too close-up in
the OT DVDs...
- PT-Quality Lightsabers
- CGI space stuff! It would rock...
- maybe some wide-shot CGI doubles for the duels... to liven it up a little.

--Episode VI---
- CGI Jabba (tough as well)
- PT-Quality lightsabers
- some new duel footage with doubles (CGI-face-transfer) to
seriously liven the duel up... Luke is now a fully fledged Jedi (sort of) come on!
also would show Vader's capability for doing some fast moves as well
- totally new, totally CGI, Episode III quality, Battle of Endor (space)!
This time alot more chaotic and huge (with more shots and scenes)!
- A better and more original Death Star explosion
- CGI AT-STs... probably.
- CGI Yoda!
- As much as I hate that Hayden Anakin shot at the end... at least
re-film it...

those are my ideas for a new STAR WARS edition... I'd really love to see that stuff
being realized... anyone have anything to say?

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Why not just reshoot the whole f**king trilogy with Justin Timberlake as Luke and everyone and wverything else computer generated. Han can be the green alien he was originally intended to be.

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Why not just reshoot the whole f**king trilogy with Justin Timberlake as Luke and everyone and wverything else computer generated. Han can be the green alien he was originally intended to be.


Joking aside that could happen when Hayden and Ewan are old enough for the roles.
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Han can be the green alien he was originally intended to be.

Well its GL's original vision.
Ok I liked the list until the moment you wanted to refilm the Battle of Yavin, the Ben Vader duel (GL didn't intend it to be as intens as the other duels) and the Battle of Hoth! The BOY is already CG and BOH is just fantastic, its even better when you think that this was filmed 27 years ago! Even Lucas doesn't want a CG Yoda in the OT so I'm sure that is the most STUPID (no offence) idea I ever heard!!!!
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hey! I said...
if they had an untouched (except for restoration) O-OT HD-DVD/BLU-RAY collection out!

I don't want anything re-shot... I knew people were going to kill me for this...

I say CGI battles would be great! Don't you guys see it? It would fit right in with the PT...
More PT-Style angles and stuff...

and I KNOW George wanted the Episode IV Ben-Vader fight that way... but let's just very slightly add a little bit
of faster moves... to make it fit alittle bit into the PT... (I'm NOT talking backflips and energetic
yoda-style moves! But then again Dooku was an old guy and he could fight fast)


but I'd rather have an O-OT un-altered HD Collection...

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As long as he releases the O-OT, I really don't give a damn how he chooses to rape his movies next. He can add in a five minute scene of Han Solo taking a shit aboard the Millenium Falcon for all I care, because I'm not watching any new editions he puts out.

I was halfway through typing this post when I had an epiphany. I hear people talking about changes they want made to these movies and things like that, and I realized that Star Wars is the only movies that anyone does this with. You don't have people starting threads that say "Things I want changed/added for the 30th Anniversary Edition of The Godfather". But why Star Wars? They aren't Wikipedia articles that anyone can just go in and edit. They aren't gobs of Play-doh that can be grabbed and remolded whenever the sculptor wants. They're MOVIES. Movies that a few guys put together so that other people can watch. Did Michelangelo go back and change his statue of David because he heard people saying "I think this should be changed"?

Do you see the point I'm trying to make? They're just movies: deal with them the way they are.

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"Joking aside that could happen when Hayden and Ewan are old enough for the roles."

Ford's old enough to play Obi-wan now.

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Well the beauty of fan edits is that you can make the movie any way you won't. You don't to make any money off of it and nobody has to "buy" your vision of what the movie ought to be.

The only problem with Lucas doing it is that he does indeed want others to buy only his vision of the story, or nothing. That's why he's letting the originals go to rot (supposedly, though I'm sure he has the full movies digitally preserved in his vaults just in case, via hints from Lowry Digital interviews where they made a "complete digital master" of the classic trilogy) and saying "they no longer exist for me."

At least the fan guys are preserving the originals, and also making their own edits. It's sort of like having a colorized movie. You don't have to accept it as the real deal, so long as you can still get yourself a copy of the black and white that's going to last.
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Originally posted by: Kurgan
Well the beauty of fan edits is that you can make the movie any way you won't. You don't to make any money off of it and nobody has to "buy" your vision of what the movie ought to be.

The only problem with Lucas doing it is that he does indeed want others to buy only his vision of the story, or nothing. That's why he's letting the originals go to rot (supposedly, though I'm sure he has the full movies digitally preserved in his vaults just in case, via hints from Lowry Digital interviews where they made a "complete digital master" of the classic trilogy) and saying "they no longer exist for me."

At least the fan guys are preserving the originals, and also making their own edits. It's sort of like having a colorized movie. You don't have to accept it as the real deal, so long as you can still get yourself a copy of the black and white that's going to last.


I read that article too. Were Lowary was talking about digitizing nearly 30 year masters. And if my maths corret the SE's aren't 30 years old
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I'm not going to start flaming or anything because you're entitled to your opinion. I really want to say that as long as the originals are released, George can "rape" them as much as he wants, like Nanner said, but the thought just makes me sick to my stomach that he'd do anything else to the movies he's already ruined. I've probably become desensitized to remarks about changing the first movie because it's usually the target of people whining, "It's not good enough," so I just turned an annoyed eye. But it was when you got to the sequels that I pulled a "WTF, Mate!" Well, to be honest, the first minor one I pulled was the "more original explosion." It's an explosion. Go BOOM! What can possibly be original about it? He already tried messing with the Death Star explosion, and it makes me cringe now every time I see it. The Battle of Hoth was perfect the way it was, and no CG can make it any better. And the same thing with the DSII Battle. Does every space battle have to have 25,000 ships fighting each other for some people to be happy? And CG doubles for ESB and ROTJ? Once again, I've heard this idea for the first one, so it was just a minor annoyance, but I still think the ESB duel is the best one in the entire series. It's not only tactically and visually impressive, but it's so visceral and gritty. Once again, does a lightsaber duel have to have meaningless twirling of pretty colors (like in ROTS) or constant backflips and wall kicks to be a lightsaber duel? And CG fill-ins for ROTJ seems just silly since that was a subdued fight to begin with and certainly couldn't improve from any new technology. I'm not trying to bash or be mean, but all of the stuff you suggested just seems superfluous. It's like putting a random CG cow in the middle of Hill Valley in the first Back to the Future movie. It doesn't make any sense, but we can sure make a digital cow now, can't we?

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Originally posted by: Lord Phillock

- totally new, totally CGI, Episode III quality, .....


You're entitled to your opinon, as I am mine. I feel "episode III" and "quality" should never be in the same sentence. When I watched ROTS, and it opened with that space battle, I was almost ready to leave, because I didn't care. There was TOO MUCH going on!
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Nobody actually believes George "intended" the fight between Obiwan and Vader to be less "intense" than the other lightsaber duals do they? He is the absolute biggest bullshitter when it comes to some of these claims he makes about his artistic intentions!

"I intended for the colors to be oversaturated in the 04 dvd release because I wanted to give the film a gritty feeling" "I intended for Temura Morrison's voice-over to be suckier than the original Boba Fett's lines because I wanted to show the lack of passion he has because he is only driven by money" "I intended for the cinematography in the PT to be so lame and jump around like a flying cameraman had ants in his pants, but not in the originals because the originals are more subdued because things are in chaos" "I intended the orange blur under the speeder in mos eisley to be the force holding it up"

Okay, so I didn't actually remember any claims he made, but I remember thinking for all of them "You just didn't have money, you jerk!" or "It was the 80s, dude, you're not fooling anybody!"

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Of course he's not fooling anybody. My best rationalization for the subdued fighting is much better than Lucas's crappy, "One's an old man and the other is part-machine," because we've seen old men fight in the prequels, and we see Vader kick as in the other two movies. They've in a very confined space, so there's no room for jumping around like an ADD child on crack. And they are already familiar with each other's tricks, but they haven't seen each other in quite a long time. And they didn't part on the best of terms. So it's more basic rather than flashy showmanship and tricks. I mean, they're talking calmly during all this. They're still taunting each other. It's obvious they're just playing with each other for the most part.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I like that theory, they are just going through the motions, feeling each other out, shaking out the rust... When was the last time either of them had a sabre Duel, like 25 years before, anyone would need a bit of a warmup, then Ben throws the match before they really get started.
That settles my mind on aspect that bothered my since seein the prequels, thanks Gaf!
It is true what they say, Gaffer Tape can solve any problem!
Give me the OT or give me death!
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Will it cure my herpes?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Welllll *cracks knuckles*, I can certainly try, if you're willing! ^_~

And I'm glad to have helped you out there, G.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Why does the original poster want episodes 4 5 and 6 to be identical to the PT? The PT just wasn't Star Wars. Star Wars wasn't built on CGI, and it sure didn't need it either. Who can say that Yoda looks more real CGI? Just one person. George.

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Don't forget the animators. Have you ever listened to the commentary track for Attack of the Clones? Every time Yoda would appear on screen, the animators would fall over from patting themselves on the back so much. "Did you see how awesome Yoda's eye looked when he blinked right there?" or "The level of detail on Yoda's chin is just so amazing!" It got really old really fast.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Hey, Lucasfilm animators (3D modellers to be precise), are you reading this? OK, Cool, listen up - Yeah, well done, the level of detail on the CG Yoda is pretty amazing. But guess what? HE DOESN'T FUCKING LOOK LIKE YODA!! So I guess you failed.

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It's those eyes. It's all in the damned eyes. And the sad part is, I was just watching the behind the scenes stuff on AOTC the other day, and I saw their early, early, early non-textured work.... AND THE EYES ACTUALLY LOOKED RIGHT!!! So what the hell happened, guys? I'd hate to think that was a deliberate creative decision!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape Don't forget the animators. Have you ever listened to the commentary track for Attack of the Clones? Every time Yoda would appear on screen, the animators would fall over from patting themselves on the back so much. "Did you see how awesome Yoda's eye looked when he blinked right there?" or "The level of detail on Yoda's chin is just so amazing!" It got really old really fast.

Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father Hey, Lucasfilm animators (3D modellers to be precise), are you reading this? OK, Cool, listen up - Yeah, well done, the level of detail on the CG Yoda is pretty amazing. But guess what? HE DOESN'T FUCKING LOOK LIKE YODA!! So I guess you failed.


I can’t remember if it’s on one of the documentaries included with AOTC or perhaps TPM, but supposedly the animators had to convince George to do a CG Yoda. I think it was the TPM disk; they told George they could do a CG Yoda and he had them do a mock-up of it for the end of TPM, which he said was great. Based on the strength of that rendering George decided that Yoda could be CG for the rest of the PT.

I could probably believe that it was the animators’ idea if hadn’t seen George push for CG in everything else. I know it’s been said he tried to convince the effects people that worked on Gangs of New York to try and do the five corners in CG. I also heard that George tried to convince Jackson to go all CG with King Kong even after some miniatures had been completed. Then there’s the fact that it’s difficult to find a PT shot with no CG. All of that combines to make me wonder if George really needed any convincing to do a CG Yoda.

One of the reasons George said he was happy with the CG Yoda was because it allowed the “Sonic the Hedgehog” Yoda Lightsaber action at the end of AOTC and ROTS. It makes me wonder if there was no CG Yoda would we have also been spared the crazy Yoda duels. I sure wish I could’ve erased a few hard drives about 10 minutes before George “screened” the CG Yoda for the first time. Perhaps I could’ve had a real Yoda, a dignified Yoda (read non-dueling) and by extension a more dignified (again non-dueling) Palps.


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Darth,

Interesting points about the dueling Yoda in the PT. If I remember correctly Lucas had filmed additional duel footage between Anakin and Dooku in case the Yoda duel was an awful mess...what could have been. I think you can tell in several places during the Anakin Dooku duel that it was edited somewhat, as far as in one shot they are right next to Obi-Wan when he tosses the saber to Anakin and in the very next shot they are half way across the room when Anakin is attacking Dooku with two sabers for the brief instant that he does.
Stopped they must be, on this all depends. Only a fully trained Jedi Knight with the Force as his ally will conquer Vader and his Emperor.
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If this guy wants to do that, go ahead. Post it on the net when you can and we'll watch it. I think George Lucas is gearing up to 'pass the torch' anyway. He's in his fifties or sixties now and why would he change the original trilogy again? He's only done it what, 2 - maybe 3 times?
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Why not just reshoot the whole f**king trilogy with Justin Timberlake as Luke and everyone and wverything else computer generated. Han can be the green alien he was originally intended to be.


Don't give Luca$h any ideas my friend.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Don't forget the animators. Have you ever listened to the commentary track for Attack of the Clones? Every time Yoda would appear on screen, the animators would fall over from patting themselves on the back so much. "Did you see how awesome Yoda's eye looked when he blinked right there?" or "The level of detail on Yoda's chin is just so amazing!" It got really old really fast.


The CGI Gollum from LOTR looks more realistic than that Yoda.

Its funny how Luca$h always wants the SW movies to be the most technologically sophisticated films on the planet, but the PT doesn't even surpass the effects work of a low budget Ray Harryhausen film (which are superb by the way).