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nightstalkerpoet said:

I’d like to suggest completely removing the Leia and Wicket scene. Add a bit of tension wondering where she is, and the Ewoks seem more of a threat if you haven’t seen one nibbling snacks from a stranger and frightened of helmets.

If it makes you feel better the fanedit I’m working on of the film does this. The thread is around here somewhere I don’t post in it much because I’m very on again off again when it comes to working on it, one of these days I’m just going to randomly surprise everybody with it being done.

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iamweasel said:

Bingowings said:

It’s a real shame about PT:R. These were the revisited projects I was most looking forward to. They are even more broken than Jedi. Hopefully someone else will take up the mantle. There is good them, I have felt it 😊 even if Rouge One was part3 of a PT:R. So much technical talent and genuine affection from people who worked on those Star Wars misshapes. It’s a shame if they stayed as they are.

Well, if we are lucky, Disney will do a cool Darth Vader movie where we can see him chasing the remaining Jedis across the galaxy. If they do a cool movie, you can consider Rogue One as Episode 3, this Darth Vader movie as episode 2 and someone can try to edit ROTS (with maybe some (few) scenes from the episode 1 or 2) to be the first episode, removing most of it flaws. This way we can have a prequel that doesn’t contradict anything that was said in the OT.

I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2 right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

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Possessed said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

I’d like to suggest completely removing the Leia and Wicket scene. Add a bit of tension wondering where she is, and the Ewoks seem more of a threat if you haven’t seen one nibbling snacks from a stranger and frightened of helmets.

If it makes you feel better the fanedit I’m working on of the film does this. The thread is around here somewhere I don’t post in it much because I’m very on again off again when it comes to working on it, one of these days I’m just going to randomly surprise everybody with it being done.

But without that scene, how does Leia appear in Ewok the village?
And even if she gets there somehow, we don’t know why she wasn’t served for lunch, while Han is certainly getting prepared to be the dinner.
Because one thing is certain, that the Ewoks are not a friendy bunch, and they like to eat people, despite how they look like.
So it is not very realistic that a human female can talk herself out of being eaten, especially if she does not speak the language.
I guess it is safe to say, logically she can not be in the village, without building trust first, what the scene offers that you want to delete.

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Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:
I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)

If by “some adjustments” you mean remaking the entire movie, than it might become a good movie. I can see why Adywan decided to drop dead the idea. There are so many things that need to be done to make it a good movie that would require lots of money and time.

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2
right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

Although TFA has (from my point of view) flaws, it is IMHO better than any prequel movie. And I liked Rogue One. But I must admit that, after ESB the quality of Star Wars movies got worse and worse each new movie was made. So I may be considering Rogue One a good movie because I saw a lot of crap Star Wars movies after ESB.

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Why is it that every Star Wars movie that doesn’t come from the OT isn’t immune to obnoxious and hyperbolic fanboy hatred? That makes it five out of eight movies that get this kind of attention.

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We have threads for discussion of the new films, so let’s not stink up this one. Irrelevant posts will be deleted at moderator’s discretion.

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Back to the topic at hand:

Are you planning on replacing Artoo’s beeps? He sounds nothing in ROTJ like he does in any of the other films and it annoys the shit out of me every time I watch the movie.

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Editroid said:

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2 right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

And I think that this is exactly the kind of childish behaviour, that is completely useless and desruptive in every forum.

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Jani-wan said:

Editroid said:

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2 right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

And I think that this is exactly the kind of childish behaviour, that is completely useless and desruptive in every forum.

Okay, I’m sorry. Really, I am.

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iamweasel said:

Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:
I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)

If by “some adjustments” you mean remaking the entire movie, than it might become a good movie. I can see why Adywan decided to drop dead the idea. There are so many things that need to be done to make it a good movie that would require lots of money and time.

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2
right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

Although TFA has (from my point of view) flaws, it is IMHO better than any prequel movie. And I liked Rogue One. But I must admit that, after ESB the quality of Star Wars movies got worse and worse each new movie was made. So I may be considering Rogue One a good movie because I saw a lot of crap Star Wars movies after ESB.

I think this discussion should be moved to another thread.
I don’t want to highjack this thread.
I could not find a Phantom Menace thread, so if you could provide the link, I would explain what I was thinkin in more details.

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Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:

Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:
I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)

If by “some adjustments” you mean remaking the entire movie, than it might become a good movie. I can see why Adywan decided to drop dead the idea. There are so many things that need to be done to make it a good movie that would require lots of money and time.

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2
right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

Although TFA has (from my point of view) flaws, it is IMHO better than any prequel movie. And I liked Rogue One. But I must admit that, after ESB the quality of Star Wars movies got worse and worse each new movie was made. So I may be considering Rogue One a good movie because I saw a lot of crap Star Wars movies after ESB.

I think this discussion should be moved to another thread.
I don’t want to highjack this thread.
I could not find a Phantom Menace thread, so if you could provide the link, I would explain what I was thinkin in more details.

Closest and most current prequel threads.
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Are-The-Prequels-That-Bad/id/52956
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Extreme-Prequel-Plot-Holes-And-Inconsistencies/id/55318

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Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:

Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:
I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)

If by “some adjustments” you mean remaking the entire movie, than it might become a good movie. I can see why Adywan decided to drop dead the idea. There are so many things that need to be done to make it a good movie that would require lots of money and time.

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2
right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

Although TFA has (from my point of view) flaws, it is IMHO better than any prequel movie. And I liked Rogue One. But I must admit that, after ESB the quality of Star Wars movies got worse and worse each new movie was made. So I may be considering Rogue One a good movie because I saw a lot of crap Star Wars movies after ESB.

I think this discussion should be moved to another thread.
I don’t want to highjack this thread.
I could not find a Phantom Menace thread, so if you could provide the link, I would explain what I was thinkin in more details.

I don’t have a link here, but I wouldn’t want to talk about Phantom Menace anyway. I already lost too much time of my life with that horrible movie. I don’t want to spend even more.

Let’s talk about ROTJ:R.

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Good luck with ROTJ:R.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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Jani-wan said:

Possessed said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

I’d like to suggest completely removing the Leia and Wicket scene. Add a bit of tension wondering where she is, and the Ewoks seem more of a threat if you haven’t seen one nibbling snacks from a stranger and frightened of helmets.

If it makes you feel better the fanedit I’m working on of the film does this. The thread is around here somewhere I don’t post in it much because I’m very on again off again when it comes to working on it, one of these days I’m just going to randomly surprise everybody with it being done.

But without that scene, how does Leia appear in Ewok the village?
And even if she gets there somehow, we don’t know why she wasn’t served for lunch, while Han is certainly getting prepared to be the dinner.
Because one thing is certain, that the Ewoks are not a friendy bunch, and they like to eat people, despite how they look like.
So it is not very realistic that a human female can talk herself out of being eaten, especially if she does not speak the language.
I guess it is safe to say, logically she can not be in the village, without building trust first, what the scene offers that you want to delete.

As you say, there is a logical connection that we make. She is seen there in a dress with braided hair - clearly not in danger. It doesn’t impact the main plot to not show how she got to be there safely, and actually sidetracks from the important plot points to some degree. It also sets a precedent of Ewoks not being a threat which makes the capture scene feel more like a game at the Teddy Bear Picnic.

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No doubt this is going to turn out great. ANH and ESB were fantastic and I eagerly await ROTJ version to complete the trilogy. Super excited about the addition of B-wings, always been a fan of the ship, it will be nice to see them get some additional spotlight. Also, after seeing the fantastic Hoth Battle on ESB, I’m sure Ady will deliver a great Endor battle both on land and in space.

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nightstalkerpoet said:

Jani-wan said:

Possessed said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

I’d like to suggest completely removing the Leia and Wicket scene. Add a bit of tension wondering where she is, and the Ewoks seem more of a threat if you haven’t seen one nibbling snacks from a stranger and frightened of helmets.

If it makes you feel better the fanedit I’m working on of the film does this. The thread is around here somewhere I don’t post in it much because I’m very on again off again when it comes to working on it, one of these days I’m just going to randomly surprise everybody with it being done.

But without that scene, how does Leia appear in Ewok the village?
And even if she gets there somehow, we don’t know why she wasn’t served for lunch, while Han is certainly getting prepared to be the dinner.
Because one thing is certain, that the Ewoks are not a friendy bunch, and they like to eat people, despite how they look like.
So it is not very realistic that a human female can talk herself out of being eaten, especially if she does not speak the language.
I guess it is safe to say, logically she can not be in the village, without building trust first, what the scene offers that you want to delete.

As you say, there is a logical connection that we make. She is seen there in a dress with braided hair - clearly not in danger. It doesn’t impact the main plot to not show how she got to be there safely, and actually sidetracks from the important plot points to some degree. It also sets a precedent of Ewoks not being a threat which makes the capture scene feel more like a game at the Teddy Bear Picnic.

You don’t have to cut the entire Wicket scene. You can just show his feet and appear as he approaches, use some darker music, then cut away. It makes the connection and implies danger, yet leaves out the cutsie stuff.

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Super stoked for this! ROTJ was my favorite film of the trilogy growing up, and still has a place in my heart (the Emperor is my favorite villain) but with maturity came an understanding of its flaws. I feel this will be the most complex of the trilogy to Revisit, but knowing what Ady has accomplished already with the previous edits I know it can be done.

One small thing that I would like to recommend. Even though the “Palace Musical Number” scene is being reverted back to the 1983 cut (Lapti Nek forever), I always liked the added scenes of Oola in the rancor pit; I think they worked surprisingly well by expanding on the scene but still leaving the rancor largely a mystery. I personally would prefer to see those scenes remain, but it’s not the end of the world if they go.

Best of luck, and I hope to be helpful and constructive on my part.

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If you show a pile of some bloodied Imperial armor, (or could just look like the helmets were smashed in) in a cutaway as they’re getting ready to cook Luke and company, that establishes that the Ewoks can be mean little buggers in large numbers. Han could be looking at it before he says “I got a bad feeling about this.”

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darth_ender said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

Jani-wan said:

Possessed said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

I’d like to suggest completely removing the Leia and Wicket scene. Add a bit of tension wondering where she is, and the Ewoks seem more of a threat if you haven’t seen one nibbling snacks from a stranger and frightened of helmets.

If it makes you feel better the fanedit I’m working on of the film does this. The thread is around here somewhere I don’t post in it much because I’m very on again off again when it comes to working on it, one of these days I’m just going to randomly surprise everybody with it being done.

But without that scene, how does Leia appear in Ewok the village?
And even if she gets there somehow, we don’t know why she wasn’t served for lunch, while Han is certainly getting prepared to be the dinner.
Because one thing is certain, that the Ewoks are not a friendy bunch, and they like to eat people, despite how they look like.
So it is not very realistic that a human female can talk herself out of being eaten, especially if she does not speak the language.
I guess it is safe to say, logically she can not be in the village, without building trust first, what the scene offers that you want to delete.

As you say, there is a logical connection that we make. She is seen there in a dress with braided hair - clearly not in danger. It doesn’t impact the main plot to not show how she got to be there safely, and actually sidetracks from the important plot points to some degree. It also sets a precedent of Ewoks not being a threat which makes the capture scene feel more like a game at the Teddy Bear Picnic.

You don’t have to cut the entire Wicket scene. You can just show his feet and appear as he approaches, use some darker music, then cut away. It makes the connection and implies danger, yet leaves out the cutsie stuff.

This right here.

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I can’t wait to be on this journey! I too was looking forward to seek an entire revisited saga with the prequels included…but you do have to know when to stop and that is admirable of you. There are plenty of good prequel edits out there that do a good enough job, but all in all there is really nothing that can be done to really make those movies better.

“You can’t polish a turd. But you can shape it to look like candy.”

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SilverWook said:

If you show a pile of some bloodied Imperial armor, (or could just look like the helmets were smashed in) in a cutaway as they’re getting ready to cook Luke and company, that establishes that the Ewoks can be mean little buggers in large numbers. Han could be looking at it before he says “I got a bad feeling about this.”

This too.

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Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:

Bingowings said:

It’s a real shame about PT:R. These were the revisited projects I was most looking forward to. They are even more broken than Jedi. Hopefully someone else will take up the mantle. There is good them, I have felt it 😊 even if Rouge One was part3 of a PT:R. So much technical talent and genuine affection from people who worked on those Star Wars misshapes. It’s a shame if they stayed as they are.

Well, if we are lucky, Disney will do a cool Darth Vader movie where we can see him chasing the remaining Jedis across the galaxy. If they do a cool movie, you can consider Rogue One as Episode 3, this Darth Vader movie as episode 2 and someone can try to edit ROTS (with maybe some (few) scenes from the episode 1 or 2) to be the first episode, removing most of it flaws. This way we can have a prequel that doesn’t contradict anything that was said in the OT.

I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2 right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

There is so much potential in PT:R. The PT is so broken in its current form that there are no sacred cows. And yet there are so many wonderful designs and a few nice performances just waiting to be liberated. To be frank this news is almost 1983 all over again, for me personally. Naturally I support and respect Adys decisions. A man must know his limits but it was the possibility of finally enjoying the first three episodes that really interested me much more than reworking the first two movies which are pretty much flawless anyway. At least Jedi is getting fixed. But the real problems with Jedi are the same problems the PT has. The story is lacklustre, the performances are patchy, the visuals are inconsistent. Disney will never repair the PT. Hopefully Adys achievements will inspire someone else.