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Noticed fairly large continuity error for the first time. At the Sarlacc pit, the skiff that Lando, Han, Chewie, etc. were on was heavily damaged and listing after being hit by several blasts. Just a few short moments later, Luke and Leia swing down to an undamaged and perfectly level skiff.

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nhoj3 said:

Boba Fett’s lines in ROTJ are precisely:

“Ugh. What the? Argh. Ugh. Argh.”

Don’t forget his two Aaaaagh! lines - once when flying uncontrolled towards the Sail Barge, then again when the AT-ST driver is thrown off the top of his vehicle by the mighty Chewbacca. Presumably out of sympathy for the poor guy.

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nhoj3 said:

Noticed fairly large continuity error for the first time. At the Sarlacc pit, the skiff that Lando, Han, Chewie, etc. were on was heavily damaged and listing after being hit by several blasts. Just a few short moments later, Luke and Leia swing down to an undamaged and perfectly level skiff.

Was it the same skiff? I’ll need to re-watch that sequence but I thought there were two.

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OK, just rewatched it, they’re definitely on the damaged one the whole time. I guess it compensated for the damage and rebalanced. Additional bobbing will help, especially in the shot where they’re helping Han back in.

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ForceGhostRecon said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I’ve long been a proponent of removing Fett from ROTJ entirely, but I have to say I like the idea of Fett informing Vader about Luke’s presence at Jabba’s palace. If that could be worked out convincingly, I’d be happy.

But if not, I’m still all for axing Fett from ROTJ.

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that just might work…

I like that! Is the sail barge hangar background a mockup or from something else?

Calling Vader from Slave 1 might make more sense, as Fett would have a reason to check on his ship once in a while and it’s more private.

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doubleofive said:

OK, just rewatched it, they’re definitely on the damaged one the whole time. I guess it compensated for the damage and rebalanced. Additional bobbing will help, especially in the shot where they’re helping Han back in.

Adding smoke and battle damage would also help to sell that idea.

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snooker said:

Here’s doubleofive’s old list of wanted ROTJ changes if anyone wants to take a look.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140927233237/http://doubleofive.wordpress.com:80/rotj-fanedit-wishlist/

I quite like the idea of having the barge assault be a little (or quite a bit) more violent. I think it would do better at selling the idea that Luke is getting very close to the Dark Side. I imagine the change would be very controversial, though.

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Artan42 said:

FVDnz said:

Artan42 said:

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Artan42 said:
I was a big fan of the work done on ANH:R and ESB:R (except for reverting Bobbas voice, and I will fight to the death over that 😄)

One could make the argument that Boba wanted to form his own persona, and not live in the shadow of the clones that were in his “father”'s image, so he adopted a different voice.

That would work if not for the fact he uses his own voice in TCW.

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MalàStrana said:

Reverting Boba’s voice to the new version wouldn’t be that hard to do if you want to “personalize” your own ESB:R (both interpretations are good but the original one is far more sinister).
Since Ady is no longer willing to do PT:R I guess we won’t see Temuera Morrison’s face when Boba is seducing the cute dancers.

A) Accents being genetically determined is silly.

But yeah better Fett voice is here to stay so if you want to change it back do your own versions.

It’s not genetically determined though, he uses Logans voice in AoTC and TCW and sounds similar to Morrison (because it was him) when he ages in the same way Rex sounds different when younger (Baker isn’t very good to start with, affecting an Australian accent in TCW) but sounds far more like Morrison by Rebels. None of those are American accents.

I’m just a massive fan of how Morrison sounds (I played Republic Commando) but I don’t feel like making a custom version of TESB:R for the simple reason the recording of the lines isn’t very good in the SE.

I guess I was unclear originally, I meant ‘I prefer Bobba having a Kiwi accent over a generic cowboy one’ rather than ‘I prefer the takes of the dialogue used in the SEs over the original’.

Australian?! Oh, phew - then you bring up Kiwi accent on Logan lol. If you want an ex-pat Kiwi speaking an Australian accent (and I don’t mean Russell Crowe), look no further than Manu Bennett.

No, both Morrison and Logan use their native New Zealand accents but Baker uses what he thinks is a New Zealand accent that sounds Australian through much of TCW. It only starts to sound more Kiwi into Rebels.

I think when Logan moved to LA, he was beginning to adopt an American accent, much like Martin Henderson years ago. As Dee Baker, yeah, maybe he should have researched the Kiwi (or specifically Maori) accent better. Heck, Sir Anthony Hopkins pulled off a convincing accent for The World’s Fastest Indian. There’s more to our accent than Aussies perceiving us saying fush and chups, lol.

Anyway, back on topic. Love that comprehensive list of early ideas. Looking forward to Ady’s official list, whenever it shall come…

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snooker said:

Here’s doubleofive’s old list of wanted ROTJ changes if anyone wants to take a look.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140927233237/http://doubleofive.wordpress.com:80/rotj-fanedit-wishlist/

Wow… that is an exhaustive list! There are some really great ideas in there! I’m especially impressed with all of the continuity and effects suggestions. Some suggestions seem a bit on the impossible side, but the majority of the list is actionable. I thought that some (like having burning DS2 debris replace the fireworks) were downright inspired.

I don’t know the exact relationship between Ady and 005, but I’m assuming that Ady’s aware of all these requests and the don’t need repeating?

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doubleofive said:

Ady’s always had his eye on our Wishlist.

The Archive seems to have a lot of the lost mockups, I might pull them down and restore the WordPress.

I for one would be really interested in them if you have any of the animatics mentioned. I’m particularly interested in anything related to the re-ordering of scenes. Updating effects and fixing errors is great for us hardcore fans, but attempting to construct a stronger story structure has a chance to really strengthen the film. Having said that I realize that this is easier said than done.

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I really do like the idea of Luke actually returning to Dagobah before going to Tattooine to rescue Han. And while it looks as though Luke is dabbling in the Dark Side in Jabba’s Palace, I would actually like to see Luke following Obi-Wan’s example but I suppose at the end of the day, he ‘is’ Anakin’s son. Just think of all the unorthodox things Anakin did in the Clone Wars.

The movie should still begin with the Executor being dwarfed by the to be revealed incomplete Death Star and then if that little deleted scene of Vader telepathically communicating with his son could be re-filmed somehow with a little trickery - and then it would be revealed that Luke is in Dagobah in the process of completing his training. How cool would it be if Yoda was there to observe Luke constructing his lightsaber too? If Ady had access to an authentic Yoda muppet, how cool would that be? He built a Wampa from scratch. I suppose building Yoda would be a stretch though.

Thing is though, can Luke fly his X-Wing without R2 as support? He’d have to be on Dagobah too I suppose so sending Threepio to Jabba alone just doesn’t feel right either. He could have accompanied Leia to Tattooine perhaps. Yes, that could work, but how to get him in there? Obviously, Leia met up with Lando and Chewie so maybe it could be established that Threepio was already in the Palace with Lando. So when Boussh (Leia) arrives with Chewie, Threepio can make his appearance at last translating for Jabba.

More food for thought. 😉

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nhoj3 said:

snooker said:

Here’s doubleofive’s old list of wanted ROTJ changes if anyone wants to take a look.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140927233237/http://doubleofive.wordpress.com:80/rotj-fanedit-wishlist/

Wow… that is an exhaustive list! There are some really great ideas in there! I’m especially impressed with all of the continuity and effects suggestions. Some suggestions seem a bit on the impossible side, but the majority of the list is actionable. I thought that some (like having burning DS2 debris replace the fireworks) were downright inspired.

I don’t know the exact relationship between Ady and 005, but I’m assuming that Ady’s aware of all these requests and the don’t need repeating?

I’m so glad that something of the list still exists. I’m not sure in the light of the sequel trilogy ideas like having two Death Stars at Endor would play out. If Kyber is essential to Death Star building it would explain why they had to use something else to do the same job in episode 7.

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SilverWook said:

ForceGhostRecon said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I’ve long been a proponent of removing Fett from ROTJ entirely, but I have to say I like the idea of Fett informing Vader about Luke’s presence at Jabba’s palace. If that could be worked out convincingly, I’d be happy.

But if not, I’m still all for axing Fett from ROTJ.

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that just might work…

I like that! Is the sail barge hangar background a mockup or from something else?

Calling Vader from Slave 1 might make more sense, as Fett would have a reason to check on his ship once in a while and it’s more private.

The sail barge dock is from battlefront:
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I just figured it looked like a nice quiet place to make a ‘phone call’ 😃

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Bingowings said:

nhoj3 said:

snooker said:

Here’s doubleofive’s old list of wanted ROTJ changes if anyone wants to take a look.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140927233237/http://doubleofive.wordpress.com:80/rotj-fanedit-wishlist/

Wow… that is an exhaustive list! There are some really great ideas in there! I’m especially impressed with all of the continuity and effects suggestions. Some suggestions seem a bit on the impossible side, but the majority of the list is actionable. I thought that some (like having burning DS2 debris replace the fireworks) were downright inspired.

I don’t know the exact relationship between Ady and 005, but I’m assuming that Ady’s aware of all these requests and the don’t need repeating?

If Kyber is essential to Death Star building it would explain why they had to use something else to do the same job in episode 7.

“The strongest Stars have the hearts of Kyber.” So in a way, Starkiller based used a similar method of the Deathstars … Different yes, but there is that connection with Kyber in a way.

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doubleofive said:

I don’t have a YouTube backup if they got taken down. There’s plenty of edits that mess with the structure, but I’m not sure which ones.

If anyone could recommend a fan edit that is a good example of this, I would appreciate it. I have the DarthRush fan edit which tightens everything up but still keeps the overall structure the same.

The DarthRush edit has a lot going for it. I particularly like the removal of Threepi’s videos “Captain Obvious” moments, as well as the removal of Oola falling into the Rancor pit which makes Luke’s fall more of a surprise.

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nhoj3 said:

If anyone could recommend a fan edit that is a good example of this, I would appreciate it.

Spence’s Final Cut did a fine job of restructuring the plot and creating more suspense. The edit itself is rough and has kind of rushed pacing, but the sequence of scenes is better than the original.

https://ifdb.fanedit.org/every-saga-has-an-ending/

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I’ll have to watch it again, but I think the planetary shield in Rogue One was only visible within the shield-gate.

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Matt.F said:

“Now the shuttle Tydirium is going to be changed. One thing that has always bugged me is that the same model ship that is used for dignitaries, is also being used to transport cargo and troops. This ship needs to be a different model. More in line with a cargo shuttle, similar to what was seen in Rogue One and the troop transport in the SE ANH.”

Adywan mentioned that the Shuttle will be changed potentially to the Rogue One design. I think adding the Rogue One Shield Gate also might be a little too on the nose.

In all honesty, I hope it won’t be the Zeta-class cargo shuttle. The heroes in RO already used that to infiltrate Skarif, so let’s have the audience see something else that hasn’t been seen much of already, which I really hope Ady decides on the Sentinel-class. The interior of the Sentinel’s cockpit is similar to the Lambda’s anyway (unlike the Zeta), so he wouldn’t have to change anything there. I am, however, very much in favor of seeing a string of thousands of various cargo/construction crafts moving between the Death Star and the moon, which can include the Zeta-class; for there it makes sense and I hope we see it.

I agree, though, regarding the shield gate: we shouldn’t have that again in ROTJ. I believe the shield tech in ROTJ can be further advanced than the one seen in RO, which is also why it’s invisible (which does perfectly set up the trap for the Rebels).

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.Mac. said:

The interior of the Sentinel’s cockpit is similar to the Lambda’s anyway (unlike the Zeta), so he wouldn’t have to change anything there.

So does the exterior nose, which means some background replacement for the docking bay set instead of replacing every set piece.

I am, however, very much in favor of seeing a string of thousands of various cargo/construction crafts moving between the Death Star and the moon, which can include the Zeta-class; for there it makes sense and I hope we see it.

I was thinking of this too, but does the current dialog on the Star Destroyer allow for Tydirium to just be one of hundreds they’ve seen today? And would they all have to pass right over the Destroyer and “fly casual”?

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doubleofive said:

.Mac. said:

The interior of the Sentinel’s cockpit is similar to the Lambda’s anyway (unlike the Zeta), so he wouldn’t have to change anything there.

So does the exterior nose, which means some background replacement for the docking bay set instead of replacing every set piece.

I am, however, very much in favor of seeing a string of thousands of various cargo/construction crafts moving between the Death Star and the moon, which can include the Zeta-class; for there it makes sense and I hope we see it.

I was thinking of this too, but does the current dialog on the Star Destroyer allow for Tydirium to just be one of hundreds they’ve seen today? And would they all have to pass right over the Destroyer and “fly casual”?

It would be cool to see dozens of shuttles milling about the Death Star, but since the moon only contains the shield generator and this is operational, there shouldn’t be many craft traveling that way. So perhaps Tydirium is in a line of shuttles headed for the Death Star but breaks away for the moon, taking it across the path of the destroyer.

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NeverarGreat said:

doubleofive said:

.Mac. said:

The interior of the Sentinel’s cockpit is similar to the Lambda’s anyway (unlike the Zeta), so he wouldn’t have to change anything there.

So does the exterior nose, which means some background replacement for the docking bay set instead of replacing every set piece.

I am, however, very much in favor of seeing a string of thousands of various cargo/construction crafts moving between the Death Star and the moon, which can include the Zeta-class; for there it makes sense and I hope we see it.

I was thinking of this too, but does the current dialog on the Star Destroyer allow for Tydirium to just be one of hundreds they’ve seen today? And would they all have to pass right over the Destroyer and “fly casual”?

It would be cool to see dozens of shuttles milling about the Death Star, but since the moon only contains the shield generator and this is operational, there shouldn’t be many craft traveling that way. So perhaps Tydirium is in a line of shuttles headed for the Death Star but breaks away for the moon, taking it across the path of the destroyer.

“Where is that shuttle going?” Could work!

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