She needed to prove herself to Jabba. This is a gangster, he doesn’t just let any schmuck in.
Would Vito Corleone just let anybody hang around his property?
It feels kinda like you’re trying to come up with justification to cut the scene, rather then the reverse. Which is fine, that’s your opinion, but some of the criticisms feel kinda forced.
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She needed to prove herself to Jabba. This is a gangster, he doesn’t just let any schmuck in.
Would Vito Corleone just let anybody hang around his property?
Did Lando have to prove himself, though? Let’s say Lando did, and he brought in someone - great, he’s in. Now it’s her turn, but the point I’m trying to make clear is did she absolutely have to bring in Chewie? Clearly she could’ve brought in anyone else with a bounty if Lando was able to. Or, if Lando didn’t have to prove himself, and none of the other patrons do either, why should she have to? 😉
Did Lando have to prove himself, though? Let’s say Lando did, and he brought in someone - great, he’s in. Now it’s her turn, but the point I’m trying to make clear is did she absolutely have to bring in Chewie? Clearly she could’ve brought in anyone else with a bounty if Lando was able to. Or, if Lando didn’t have to prove himself, and none of the other patrons do either, why should she have to? 😉
Lando probably proved himself in some other way. He was there and serviced Jabba for like, a year. He was needed to give Luke intel about things.
Lando is likely there so he can sneak the droids out after Leia frees Han. Luke wouldn’t just abandon R2 and 3PO (who were there to keep Luke’s lightsaber in case he needed it, bc he’d be searched upon entering if he needed to, and to deliver Luke’s message to attempt a non-violent solution).
JEDIT: Leia would bring in Chewie instead of anybody else first bc it’s less effort, second he’s on their side, he’s there to help if they need it (which, they end up needing it).
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She needed to prove herself to Jabba. This is a gangster, he doesn’t just let any schmuck in.
Would Vito Corleone just let anybody hang around his property?
did she absolutely have to bring in Chewie?
umm… Jabba had a bounty on his head… Did you forget? where the hell is Luke and lea supposed to find someone else with a bounty? they’re not bounty hunters. Chewie was her ticket in.
-TGWNN
Did Lando have to prove himself, though? Let’s say Lando did, and he brought in someone - great, he’s in. Now it’s her turn, but the point I’m trying to make clear is did she absolutely have to bring in Chewie? Clearly she could’ve brought in anyone else with a bounty if Lando was able to. Or, if Lando didn’t have to prove himself, and none of the other patrons do either, why should she have to? 😉
Lando probably proved himself in some other way. He was there and serviced Jabba for like, a year. He was needed to give Luke intel about things.
Lando is likely there so he can sneak the droids out after Leia frees Han. Luke wouldn’t just abandon R2 and 3PO (who were there to keep Luke’s lightsaber in case he needed it, bc he’d be searched upon entering if he needed to, and to deliver Luke’s message to attempt a non-violent solution).
Sure, I don’t have a problem with any of that! 😃 But you didn’t answer why did she have to sacrifice Chewie, a friend, and not some random criminal who also had a bounty and actually deserves to be sent in. That part doesn’t settle well with me.
I’m sorry you feel that my reasons for axing a bad scene (imo) feel forced - Believe me, I’ve thought of ways to trying to justify it, like have the real Boushh bring in Chewie, but then you have to somehow show how and why Leia is in the Boushh suit later, but that wouldn’t be good either, lol.
That guy with no name said:
umm… Jabba had a bounty on his head… Did you forget? where the hell is Luke and lea supposed to find someone else with a bounty? they’re not bounty hunters. Chewie was her ticket in.
Of course I haven’t forgotten that. So, if Lando needed a ticket in and did indeed find someone to get in, which I’m fine with, then so can Leia which didn’t have to be Chewie - That’s the part I’m not fine with.
JEDIT: I only wish that the rescue plan made more sense overall, originally, including Chewie not being treated as a sacrificial pawn in all this. Then we wouldn’t have to be having this discussion 😄
Lando probably found some other way. There are more then one ways to get into acquaintance with a mob boss.
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Lando probably found some other way. There are more then one ways to get into acquaintance with a mob boss.
Exactly!! So she didn’t have to resort to sending in Chewie then 😉
JEDIT: I think we’re actually in agreement for the most part. The only difference is you don’t seem to mind her sending in Chewie, which is fair, and that’s really all where we differ.
JEDIT II: I mean this sincerely, I love the discussion guys! Unfortunately though I do have to call it a night for now (work night) 😄
Why couldn’t it have been Chewie’s idea? He is Han’s bestie, maybe he volunteered, even against Leia’s protests
reylo?
I just heard the music track entitled “Obi-Wan’s Revelation” for the first time. Interestingly it was removed from the final film. I’m curious as to people’s opinions on the track and if it should be reinstated?
Does seriously nobody care about this unreleased ROTJ track I found? 😭😂
I just heard the music track entitled “Obi-Wan’s Revelation” for the first time. Interestingly it was removed from the final film. I’m curious as to people’s opinions on the track and if it should be reinstated?
Does seriously nobody care about this unreleased ROTJ track I found? 😭😂
Sorry dude, not every post gets replies.
But someone has already tried it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFz8W7fYMy4
I just heard the music track entitled “Obi-Wan’s Revelation” for the first time. Interestingly it was removed from the final film. I’m curious as to people’s opinions on the track and if it should be reinstated?
Does seriously nobody care about this unreleased ROTJ track I found? 😭😂
Sorry dude, not every post gets replies.
But someone has already tried it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFz8W7fYMy4
This feels so correct. I wasn’t even aware the original didn’t have music.
Adywan, please consider this!
-TGWNN
I just heard the music track entitled “Obi-Wan’s Revelation” for the first time. Interestingly it was removed from the final film. I’m curious as to people’s opinions on the track and if it should be reinstated?
Does seriously nobody care about this unreleased ROTJ track I found? 😭😂
Sorry dude, not every post gets replies.
But someone has already tried it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFz8W7fYMy4
This feels so correct. I wasn’t even aware the original didn’t have music.
Adywan, please consider this!
Sometimes no music is better, not every frame needs to be scored. By not having any music backing the viewer naturally pays more attention to what obiwan is saying. But if it was added, certainly would need to be quieter.
I just heard the music track entitled “Obi-Wan’s Revelation” for the first time. Interestingly it was removed from the final film. I’m curious as to people’s opinions on the track and if it should be reinstated?
Does seriously nobody care about this unreleased ROTJ track I found? 😭😂
Sorry dude, not every post gets replies.
But someone has already tried it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFz8W7fYMy4
This feels right. Definitely agree on the volume needing to be decreased slightly, though.
I’d be down for an alternate audio track that restores all the unused music. Hell, I’ve even thought about doing a custom mix for ESB:R that restored all the unused music for Empire.
I’d be down for an alternate audio track that restores all the unused music. Hell, I’ve even thought about doing a custom mix for ESB:R that restored all the unused music for Empire.
That would be fitting considering that ANH:R has an extra track.
-TGWNN
Funnily enough, the recent comics have added all kinds of hijinks to Fett’s life between obtaining Solo and delivering him to Jabba.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Boba_Fett#Hunt_for_Nakano_Lash and everything after thatFrom what I understand, it is indeed stupid
Guess it is fair enough not to show Boba delivering Han after all. You’re right about the taking 1 year to get to Jabba bit. It actually reminds me of reading Shadows of the Empire many years ago with what Boba already went through, evading other Bounty Hunters to get to Jabba in the first place.
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Just had to share this short but spectacular clip from SkyForgeFilms:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nV4UeojnK8c
His work just keeps getting better and continues to impress! It would be a dream come true if there could be some collaboration between SkyForge and Ady for his expanded space battle in ROTJ:R.
Just had to share this short but spectacular clip from SkyForgeFilms:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nV4UeojnK8c
His work just keeps getting better and continues to impress! It would be a dream come true if there could be some collaboration between SkyForge and Ady for his expanded space battle in ROTJ:R.
I used that clip for my RotJ fanedits opening. In that context it represents the Bothan spies getting away with the Death Star II plans and the tracking device on one of the Corvettes is how Palpatine knows the location of the rebel fleet massing near Sullest.
From this scene I cut to Yoda and Luke on Dagobah.
Years ago I proposed that the film started with Luke on Dagobah completing his training by creating his lightsaber telekinetically. Yoda dies, having trained Luke and not just in mid sentence. Luke returns to Tatooine only to discover that in her inpatience Leia has already attempted to rescue Han and failed. Luke then has to rescue the rescue. It means shifting some scenes around and construction of new shots. But the technology to do so is almost upon us.
Years ago I proposed that the film started with Luke on Dagobah completing his training by creating his lightsaber telekinetically. Yoda dies, having trained Luke and not just in mid sentence. Luke returns to Tatooine only to discover that in her inpatience Leia has already attempted to rescue Han and failed. Luke then has to rescue the rescue. It means shifting some scenes around and construction of new shots. But the technology to do so is almost upon us.
You actually don’t need new shots (If you assume Luke has been training the whole time and built his lightsaber sometime between V and VI). That’s pretty much how my cut runs. You just need a new crawl that says Luke is now a full Jedi Knight and will soon leave Dagobah to join Leia in a daring plan yada yada. If you wanna see that section I can render it out and post a link.
Years ago I proposed that the film started with Luke on Dagobah completing his training by creating his lightsaber telekinetically. Yoda dies, having trained Luke and not just in mid sentence. Luke returns to Tatooine only to discover that in her inpatience Leia has already attempted to rescue Han and failed. Luke then has to rescue the rescue. It means shifting some scenes around and construction of new shots. But the technology to do so is almost upon us.
You actually don’t need new shots (If you assume Luke has been training the whole time and built his lightsaber sometime between V and VI). That’s pretty much how my cut runs. You just need a new crawl that says Luke is now a full Jedi Knight and will soon leave Dagobah to join Leia in a daring plan yada yada. If you wanna see that section I can render it out and post a link.
*It looks like you posted thus multiple times by accident.
I personally would love to see how you worked this out.
Years ago I proposed that the film started with Luke on Dagobah completing his training by creating his lightsaber telekinetically. Yoda dies, having trained Luke and not just in mid sentence. Luke returns to Tatooine only to discover that in her inpatience Leia has already attempted to rescue Han and failed. Luke then has to rescue the rescue. It means shifting some scenes around and construction of new shots. But the technology to do so is almost upon us.
You actually don’t need new shots (If you assume Luke has been training the whole time and built his lightsaber sometime between V and VI). That’s pretty much how my cut runs. You just need a new crawl that says Luke is now a full Jedi Knight and will soon leave Dagobah to join Leia in a daring plan yada yada. If you wanna see that section I can render it out and post a link.
*It looks like you posted thus multiple times by accident.
I personally would love to see how you worked this out.
Oh man, my Internet went BANANAS for a sec, lol! I’ve asked Jay to Attack the Clones, so hopefully they’ll go away soon.
Sure thing I’ll Render it out right quick. Stand by.
Okie Doke. Here’s a link to my opening of RotJ up to the point where Luke walks in through Jabba’s front door: //drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EleIyLvBBrk-D8zN9zy23NJhEeg6FMcs?usp=sharing
Just had to share this short but spectacular clip from SkyForgeFilms:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nV4UeojnK8c
His work just keeps getting better and continues to impress! It would be a dream come true if there could be some collaboration between SkyForge and Ady for his expanded space battle in ROTJ:R.
I used that clip for my RotJ fanedits opening. In that context it represents the Bothan spies getting away with the Death Star II plans and the tracking device on one of the Corvettes is how Palpatine knows the location of the rebel fleet massing near Sullest.
From this scene I cut to Yoda and Luke on Dagobah.
I actually quite like that idea, regularjoe! Definitely in favor of somehow beginning the film with a bit more of a punch and excitement than it does originally. I imagine you also reworded the crawl to reflect the new opening and clue the audience in with what’s happening? And/or did you add your own comm chatter?
Years ago I proposed that the film started with Luke on Dagobah completing his training by creating his lightsaber telekinetically. Yoda dies, having trained Luke and not just in mid sentence. Luke returns to Tatooine only to discover that in her inpatience Leia has already attempted to rescue Han and failed. Luke then has to rescue the rescue. It means shifting some scenes around and construction of new shots. But the technology to do so is almost upon us.
Love that concept, Bingo! I definitely understand the appeal for many wanting to have Luke continue his training with Yoda before Han’s rescue - it makes total sense. Not sure if it’s the same with you or anyone else, but for me it would also help fix the (minor) plot holes of a) how did he appear to gain more wisdom/skill with the Force (on his own, btw) in just about a year, and especially b) how and where did he learn to construct his new snazzy lightsaber (I have a potential idea in my wishlist that helps “remedy” this, for anyone curious, by adding a little extra dialogue from 3PO to R2 as they’re walking to Jabba’s). But, if we do see Luke before Jabba’s Palace, though, I’d worry might this undermine the already-great first reveal of Luke as he’s marching into Jabba’s palace while looking ominous? That’s my biggest hold-up. Also the original reveal of his lightsaber and then him igniting the green blade after his stunt on the skiff is amazing, too.
Okay on that note, gotta share a quick story… I was very young and at a friend’s house who had a swimming pool with a low-ish diving board… so you better believe I had to reenact Luke’s heroic stunt on that! Minus the flip back up of course 😉 Did that a few times until I was finally told to stop because it was “dangerous”, lol. Please tell me someone else here also used to do that! I know I can’t be the only nerd who did that 😄
But anyway, if one could actually pull off a new good first reveal of both Luke and his lightsaber, just like how you described it, Bingo, and it looked convincing, I for one would definitely be open seeing it and how it works along with the original surrounding footage. So you’d also obviously need to trim a bit of the original Yoda/Luke scene; I’m assuming you would keep the Obi-Wan/Luke dialogue after Yoda, right?