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Superb work as always! What an improvement!
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED ** — Page 141
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Thanks Adywan, for your devotion and hard work to bring us the ultimate ROTJ (and ANH) version.
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the prequels don’t play a role
But hasn’t he changed things to conform to the sequels? Seems dumb to then throw the prequels to the wayside. I haven’t followed every detail of Revisted, so if Adywan stated this, I must have missed it.
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Regardless, I know Octorox has already completed an alternative audio track for ESB Revisited in the past for prequel continuity (Boba voice and Yoda being only “a” master that trained Obi-Wan). This is something we can also pursue for this project.
Ady’s test here for ROTJ is awesome visually, and will only be more awesome once Boba actually sounds like Tem. Whether we have to make a fan-made alternative audio track or not, we’ll still get there, eventually.
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the prequels don’t play a role
But hasn’t he changed things to conform to the sequels? Seems dumb to then throw the prequels to the wayside. I haven’t followed every detail of Revisted, so if Adywan stated this, I must have missed it.
Adywan said he would provide two audio tracks for the TESB:R Blu-Ray so that you could choose between Boba being voiced by either Jason Wingreen or Temuera Morrison.
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Regardless, I know Octorox has already completed an alternative audio track for ESB Revisited in the past for prequel continuity (Boba voice and Yoda being only “a” master that trained Obi-Wan). This is something we can also pursue for this project.
I didn’t know about that. Is the audio lossless? That’s my biggest concern for the eventual Revisited Blu-Rays.
I still haven’t gotten an answer to my question about the title fonts.
Here’s a video showing the Revisited crawls that Adywan made, which importantly was a year before The Last Jedi came out.
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Regardless, I know Octorox has already completed an alternative audio track for ESB Revisited in the past for prequel continuity (Boba voice and Yoda being only “a” master that trained Obi-Wan). This is something we can also pursue for this project.
I didn’t know about that. Is the audio lossless? That’s my biggest concern for the eventual Revisited Blu-Rays.
I dunno, you’ll have to ask Octorox.
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Regardless, I know Octorox has already completed an alternative audio track for ESB Revisited in the past for prequel continuity (Boba voice and Yoda being only “a” master that trained Obi-Wan). This is something we can also pursue for this project.
I didn’t know about that. Is the audio lossless? That’s my biggest concern for the eventual Revisited Blu-Rays.
I dunno, you’ll have to ask Octorox.
I just saw his page, and it’s AC3, which means no, it’s not lossless.
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Octorox-miscellaneous-projectstweaks-of-other-edits/id/113322
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Eh, unless I was to rent out a theater or watch on some really high quality headphones, I don’t really care much about it being lossless or not. I’m not an audiophile in that way.
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Someone pointed out in the YouTube comments of the ROTJ color grading comparison that at 1:13, there’s more contrast and dynamics in the Blu-Ray shot, while Han’s face looks almost yellow/orange in the regrade and loses some of the highlights.
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Someone pointed out in the YouTube comments of the ROTJ color grading comparison that at 1:13, there’s more contrast and dynamics in the Blu-Ray shot, while Han’s face looks almost yellow/orange in the regrade and loses some of the highlights.
um, that’s not how color correction works, you can’t lose highlights because they are inherently part of the original photography, the 2020 Blu-ray is both overexposed and has muted highlights, so Adywan fixed this by re-brightening the highlights and fixing the over-exposure in the mid-tones and what not. also, the skin is not yellow, that’s just how the skin looks. in fact, there is LESS contrast in the Blu-ray shot. and there’s no such thing as dynamics, I’m pretty sure Adywan is working off of Sdr.
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As always amazing to see you work come together. Its hard to see the issues in stills by boy when its in motion that static grain hurts. As far as colours though, its nice to see the saturation back, with a beautiful blue sky again. However, I feel like the skin tones are suffering from over yellowing. I know your basing you colours on 4k83 (at least in part) who used original cinema reals to restore from, but I’ve always thought they never accounted for UV exposure in there clean up.
Those reals sat through who know what in the intervining years and weren’t exactly Lucasfilm Archives pristine when they picked them up. Fact is all the skin tones look too yellow, especially when you compare them to the other films, at least on youtube (which Ik doesnt always preserve information the best.
I’m no going to pretend I know anything about colourgrading film, but it doesn’t look right to me, if its not fixable or you don’t agree, thats that.
Anyhow, great to see some ROTJ stuff again, I still think you diserve a chewie medal.
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As always amazing to see you work come together. Its hard to see the issues in stills by boy when its in motion that static grain hurts. As far as colours though, its nice to see the saturation back, with a beautiful blue sky again. However, I feel like the skin tones are suffering from over yellowing. I know your basing you colours on 4k83 (at least in part) who used original cinema reals to restore from, but I’ve always thought they never accounted for UV exposure in there clean up.
Those reals sat through who know what in the intervining years and weren’t exactly Lucasfilm Archives pristine when they picked them up. Fact is all the skin tones look too yellow, especially when you compare them to the other films, at least on youtube (which Ik doesnt always preserve information the best.
I’m no going to pretend I know anything about colourgrading film, but it doesn’t look right to me, if its not fixable or you don’t agree, thats that.
Anyhow, great to see some ROTJ stuff again, I still think you diserve a chewie medal.
your gonna have to keep in mind there in a desert, they gonna have to look somewhat yellow. even though I don’t personally think it’s that bad.
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your gonna have to keep in mind there in a desert, they gonna have to look somewhat yellow. even though I don’t personally think it’s that bad.
If you’re talking tanned, then Han has only just been unfrozen so he wouldn’t have one, even if Luke and Leia had been on Tatooine for some time and gotten one. But even so they look more yellow than they did in ANH:R SD and Luke had been living on Tatooine fro years then. But Ik there has been yellow tinting from compression before and I’m sure it wont look worse than the BR.
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Your next look at the grading for ROTJ:R. This scene needed a little more work that the rest because , for some strange reason, the grader over-brightened the image in places to to the point where it almost bleached out parts the picture. But , again, This is just the first stage of grading. I won’t be doing the shot for shot grade to fix any problems until this first pass is completed.
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As always amazing to see you work come together. Its hard to see the issues in stills by boy when its in motion that static grain hurts. As far as colours though, its nice to see the saturation back, with a beautiful blue sky again. However, I feel like the skin tones are suffering from over yellowing. I know your basing you colours on 4k83 (at least in part) who used original cinema reals to restore from, but I’ve always thought they never accounted for UV exposure in there clean up.
Those reals sat through who know what in the intervining years and weren’t exactly Lucasfilm Archives pristine when they picked them up. Fact is all the skin tones look too yellow, especially when you compare them to the other films, at least on youtube (which Ik doesnt always preserve information the best.
I’m no going to pretend I know anything about colourgrading film, but it doesn’t look right to me, if its not fixable or you don’t agree, thats that.
Anyhow, great to see some ROTJ stuff again, I still think you diserve a chewie medal.
Having the original video play alongside the new grading can really throw the look of the new grade out. I can assure you the skin tones are not yellow shifted. I noticed a trend a while back to add too much green into grading and give skin tones especially that orange, yellow look. The 2020 ROTJ blu-ray really suffers with yellow skin tones in places. Nowadays it seems to be the trend to make the films look dull and desaturated. I hate these looks so i’m not going down that route.
As i have said before, this is just the first stage of the grading. There will be oversaturated parts which then need to be fixed when i get to the shot for shot stage of the grade, but its a necessity to try and recover the lost colour tones.
Adywan, or anybody making an edit of ROTJ, is free to use these:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zlE34aGJd-yL0S_f52YbJwPko4fPAUQb?usp=sharing
If for whatever reason these two particular takes of the line aren’t up to snuff I’ll add more.
Thanks for sharing this. I have just tried it in the sound mix and unfortunately it doesn’t blend in with Vaders vocals in ROTJ. I’m not sure yet if i’m even going to bother altering the “obi-wan once thought…” line. After attempting to re-watch the prequels again recently, i can honestly say that i won’t ever be watching those things again, so altering things in order to fix things that those films created in the first place is not going to be my priority.
Adywan, are you still going to use the News Gothic Bold font used for the titles for The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker for “Return of the Jedi”? Because it seems that Rian Johnson chose the Univers font for The Last Jedi for the same reason it might have been chosen for Return of the Jedi. To make the capital J in “Jedi” more pronounced.
I’m not sure why you would think it bother me what font Rian chose for Last Jedi? I’m only interested in making this trilogies crawls match up. If i wanted Revisited crawls to match the other films in the saga, with the fonts used, then i would need to create several different ones, or redo the other 6 films. A total waste of time. The Revisited saga is 3 films. Their crawls will match. That’s all that i’m concerned about
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Your next look at the grading for ROTJ:R. This scene needed a little more work that the rest because , for some strange reason, the grader over-brightened the image in places to to the point where it almost bleached out parts the picture. But , again, This is just the first stage of grading. I won’t be doing the shot for shot grade to fix any problems until this first pass is completed.
Love the blue-ness to the haze on Dagobah at the end there
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Thanks for sharing this. I have just tried it in the sound mix and unfortunately it doesn’t blend in with Vaders vocals in ROTJ. I’m not sure yet if i’m even going to bother altering the “obi-wan once thought…” line. After attempting to re-watch the prequels again recently, i can honestly say that i won’t ever be watching those things again, so altering things in order to fix things that those films created in the first place is not going to be my priority.
Dang… 😢
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Thanks for testing that, Ady. I’ve added a different take which I think sounds better. I’ve tried putting the unmodified line in a rough test, and I definitely see what you mean, it’s missing that robotic quality despite it sounding like JEJ:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zlE34aGJd-yL0S_f52YbJwPko4fPAUQb?usp=drive_link
As you’ve made clear enough, you don’t feel it necessary to change this. The only reason I’m posting about it again is because I’m sure this will go in an alternative audio track project made by Octorox (or somebody else) at some point. What will likely end up happening is just replacing “Obi-Wan” with “Your mother” in the audio track to minimize any noticeable loss of that robotic quality between the sentences themselves . But all posts I make about this topic from now on will go in Octo’s miscellaneous projects thread, instead.
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I just want to note that there is probably a relevant amount of interest in such an alternate audio track.
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Thanks for testing that, Ady. I’ve added a different take which I think sounds better. I’ve tried putting the unmodified line in a rough test, and I definitely see what you mean, it’s missing that robotic quality despite it sounding like JEJ:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zlE34aGJd-yL0S_f52YbJwPko4fPAUQb?usp=drive_link
As you’ve made clear enough, you don’t feel it necessary to change this. The only reason I’m posting about it again is because I’m sure this will go in an alternative audio track project made by Octorox (or somebody else) at some point. What will likely end up happening is just replacing “Obi-Wan” with “Your mother” in the audio track to minimize any noticeable loss of that robotic quality between the sentences themselves . But all posts I make about this topic from now on will go in Octo’s miscellaneous projects thread, instead.
That test is perfect! I consider this an essential change for the perfect ROTJ edit, so I’ll definitely be on the look out for Octorox’s alternative audio when this project is finally done. 😃
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Adywan:
Do you have any plans on changing the Lightsaber that Artoo shoots out to Luke during the Sail Barge sequence? The close-up shot shows the stunt Lightsaber, with the completely flat top, whereas the ‘hero’ Lightsaber has the emitter piece at the top.
It’s only a very small detail (and is on-screen for a very short time), however I was simply curious as to whether or not you’ll change this detail.
Amazing colour grading work by the way – it genuinely looks amazing!
My edits:
https://ifdb.fanedit.org/fanedit-search/tag/faneditorname/phase3/
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Having the original video play alongside the new grading can really throw the look of the new grade out. I can assure you the skin tones are not yellow shifted. I noticed a trend a while back to add too much green into grading and give skin tones especially that orange, yellow look. The 2020 ROTJ blu-ray really suffers with yellow skin tones in places. Nowadays it seems to be the trend to make the films look dull and desaturated. I hate these looks so i’m not going down that route.
Fair dooodles, I trust your eye, it hasn’t lead astry before. And wow the luster in the red of the Emperor’s Guards is sweet.
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The third and final video for this week, as promised.
This one, having the original 2020 grading played alongside the new grading may through out the perception of the new colour grade in places, especially with skintones. The 2020 shifts from having an almost fully desaturated image with a heavy blue filter (why the hell is endor suddenly blue?) for the space shots shifting to a more green shifted grade with yellow/ orange skin tones in the Hangar. Vaders belt lights are now suddenly blue in many shots in the 2020 edition too. Subtle colour tones on the Death Star equator mattes have been lost in this new grade, similar to what happened with the 2004 grade. So after watching it in comparison mode, watch it again while covering the top image and you’ll get a better idea of the grade.
And for anyone wondering why the TIE’s are blue in this , well they were blue in this scene and others in 1983 right up until the horrendous 2004 grade ( yes, they were blue in the '97 SE release too) where they became more desaturated and a heavy blue tint added to the picture, and the 2020 grade seems to have gone down that route too but this time eliminated all of the blue colouring, except for the matte shot where they part from the shuttle.
There are about 3 fixes in this video this time around. See if you can spot them all
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The third and final video for this week, as promised.
This one, having the original 2020 grading played alongside the new grading may through out the perception of the new colour grade in places, especially with skintones. The 2020 shifts from having an almost fully desaturated image with a heavy blue filter (why the hell is endor suddenly blue?) for the space shots shifting to a more green shifted grade with yellow/ orange skin tones. Subtle colour tones on the Death Star equator mattes have been lost in this new grade, similar to what happened with the 2004 grade. So after watching it in comparison mode, watch it again while covering the top image and you’ll get a better idea of the grade.
And for anyone wondering why the TIE’s are blue in this , well they were blue in this scene and others in 1983 right up until the horrendous 2004 grade ( yes, they were blue in the '97 SE release too) where they became more desaturated and a heavy blue tint added to the picture, and the 2020 grade seems to have gone down that route too but this time eliminated all of the blue colouring, except for the matte shot where they part from the shuttle.
There are about 3 fixes in this video this time around. See if you can spot them all
great! they look beautiful.
the two changes I saw were:
Jabba’s palace door
camera movement retimed before the wipe to tatooine
and maybe you fixed out-of-focus Vader?
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