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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED ** — Page 119

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ray_afraid said:

JacobTheMoviePurist92 said:

Q&A time

  1. Are you gonna use the deleted scenes of the crew in the falcon and the guys manning the turrets?

I can tell you that, unfortunately, that’s a no. Ady has said that footage just isn’t salvageable to an acceptable level.
However, Ady does have a crew filming new scenes in the California Red Woods to expand the Endor ground battle!

Actually that is some of the only footage for ROTJ that could now possibly be used, with a lot of work, especially now with Topaz upscaling AI being available along with better noise reduction software . The rest of the deleted scenes from Jedi go from low quality to less-than-laserdisc quality, so can’t be used. But most of the shots inside the falcon are rubbish anyway. Why the hell are they running through the corridors with guns during the space battle? Maybe one or two shots, if any at all, may be used

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Actually that is some of the only footage for ROTJ that could now possibly be used, with a lot of work, especially now with Topaz upscaling AI being available along with better noise reduction software . The rest of the deleted scenes from Jedi go from low quality to less-than-laserdisc quality, so can’t be used. But most of the shots inside the falcon are rubbish anyway. Why the hell are they running through the corridors with guns during the space battle? Maybe one or two shots, if any at all, may be used

That would be interesting.
I think the Millennium Falcon is shown only destroying 2 Tie Fighters in all of the finale space battle. Would love to see a little more Falcon action for the last hurrah.

Maybe change the guns in their hands to some kind of tool or an ice cream maker, if you wanted to utilize that footage for something.

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It’s a continuity mess the way the battle has been edited. We have Lando leading Gold group ( but no fighters in Gold group), Red group is the X-wings, Green groups is the A-wings and Grey group is the Y-wings. Blue groups was also in there originally, which were the B-wings. But who the hell is Lando the leader of? In ROTJ:R, the Y-wings return to being Gold group and the B-wings are back as Blue group. Grey group is gone.

Gold squadron was reformed with a mix of different starfighters and the Millennium Falcon.
On screen members are Gold Leader, Lando Calrissian, Gold Four(A-Wing), Jake Farrell, and Gold Nine(Y-Wing), Norra Wexley, flying through the Death Star reactor shaft.

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an-old-hope said:

It’s a continuity mess the way the battle has been edited. We have Lando leading Gold group ( but no fighters in Gold group), Red group is the X-wings, Green groups is the A-wings and Grey group is the Y-wings. Blue groups was also in there originally, which were the B-wings. But who the hell is Lando the leader of? In ROTJ:R, the Y-wings return to being Gold group and the B-wings are back as Blue group. Grey group is gone.

Gold squadron was reformed with a mix of different starfighters and the Millennium Falcon.
On screen members are Gold Leader, Lando Calrissian, Gold Four(A-Wing), Jake Farrell, and Gold Nine(Y-Wing), Norra Wexley, flying through the Death Star reactor shaft.

But that’s all EU stuff, they’re never named on-screen. Adywan’s edits aren’t required to stick to canon, so I think his plan for reordering the squadron names is a good idea.

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an-old-hope said:

It’s a continuity mess the way the battle has been edited. We have Lando leading Gold group ( but no fighters in Gold group), Red group is the X-wings, Green groups is the A-wings and Grey group is the Y-wings. Blue groups was also in there originally, which were the B-wings. But who the hell is Lando the leader of? In ROTJ:R, the Y-wings return to being Gold group and the B-wings are back as Blue group. Grey group is gone.

Gold squadron was reformed with a mix of different starfighters and the Millennium Falcon.
On screen members are Gold Leader, Lando Calrissian, Gold Four(A-Wing), Jake Farrell, and Gold Nine(Y-Wing), Norra Wexley, flying through the Death Star reactor shaft.

Is that how they tried to explain things in the EU? oh dear. I’m so glad i’m ignoring the EU.

But, my statement still stands. The battle is a mess of continuity, especially where squadron colours/ pilots are concerned. Wedge tells red 2 & 3 to pull in and yet an a-wing (green squadron) replies. We have an Y-wing shooting ties and Wedge congratulating Red 2, even though this same pilot was already identified as Grey Leader at the beginning of the battle. The whole space battle needs sorting

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Adywan, it makes sense if you don’t think about it!

But in all seriousness I am looking forward to the clean up … plus your plan to do something with the B-wings. It drives me crazy how Star Wars describe how awesome these things are BUT THEY DID NOTHING. In Rise of Skywalker, THEY DO NOTHING.

Need some B-Wing action.

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adywan said:

an-old-hope said:

It’s a continuity mess the way the battle has been edited. We have Lando leading Gold group ( but no fighters in Gold group), Red group is the X-wings, Green groups is the A-wings and Grey group is the Y-wings. Blue groups was also in there originally, which were the B-wings. But who the hell is Lando the leader of? In ROTJ:R, the Y-wings return to being Gold group and the B-wings are back as Blue group. Grey group is gone.

Gold squadron was reformed with a mix of different starfighters and the Millennium Falcon.
On screen members are Gold Leader, Lando Calrissian, Gold Four(A-Wing), Jake Farrell, and Gold Nine(Y-Wing), Norra Wexley, flying through the Death Star reactor shaft.

Is that how they tried to explain things in the EU? oh dear. I’m so glad i’m ignoring the EU.

But, my statement still stands. The battle is a mess of continuity, especially where squadron colours/ pilots are concerned. Wedge tells red 2 & 3 to pull in and yet an a-wing (green squadron) replies. We have an Y-wing shooting ties and Wedge congratulating Red 2, even though this same pilot was already identified as Grey Leader at the beginning of the battle. The whole space battle needs sorting

That sounds like a lot of CGI work to get the appropriate ships for these segments. Of course, I’m kind of thinking CGI will be needed to sort out the numerous scaling issues throughout the battle. I appreciate the ambition and the quality of the model effects, but these problems are inevitable when dealing with so many layers of effects.

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adywan said:

ray_afraid said:

JacobTheMoviePurist92 said:

Q&A time

  1. Are you gonna use the deleted scenes of the crew in the falcon and the guys manning the turrets?

I can tell you that, unfortunately, that’s a no. Ady has said that footage just isn’t salvageable to an acceptable level.
However, Ady does have a crew filming new scenes in the California Red Woods to expand the Endor ground battle!

Actually that is some of the only footage for ROTJ that could now possibly be used, with a lot of work, especially now with Topaz upscaling AI being available along with better noise reduction software . The rest of the deleted scenes from Jedi go from low quality to less-than-laserdisc quality, so can’t be used. But most of the shots inside the falcon are rubbish anyway. Why the hell are they running through the corridors with guns during the space battle? Maybe one or two shots, if any at all, may be used

Does this mean that the deleted scene of Vader calling out to Luke while he’s building his new lightsaber could possibly be used?

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adywan said:
Maybe one or two shots, if any at all, may be used

If you restore the original space battle sequence the extra guys in the Falcon make sense. They do disappear out of the cockpit in the theatrical cut, and Lando gives orders/reacts to repairs being done by someone else on the Falcon 😉

Here’s the second space battle sequence with the extra crew as a proof of concept:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EE0ZhDQzzpMYBMe17Xarx4IOQBFsUZzt/view

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Watching the battle of Endor, I think of Spock reminding Kirk they are in space and that Kahn is a two-dementional thinker.
If the rebels wanted to escape, they could easily fly over or under the blockade of Star Destroyers. The whole battle should be surrounded with Star Destroyers.

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One other thing I’ve mentioned before is that during the Space Battle of Endor (and possibly during the Ground Battle) there should heavy casualties from both the Empire and the Rebel fleet afterwards, not just a majority of the Rebel pilots surviving afterwards and most of the Empire fleet being destroyed for a happy ending.

For example: in ANH there were many heavy casualties to Red Squadron during the Battle of Yavin to where only Luke, Wedge and a single Y-Wing pilot were the only ones who made it in the end (plus the MF) and not a majority of the Red Squadron pilots surviving afterwards for a happier ending.

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Telion said:

Adywan, in your full list of changes you’ve put:
“Have a small portion of the Ewok celebration which then leads to the funeral pyre scene. This is where the Force Ghosts will appear and the film will end with Luke being alone (which in turn foreshadows TFA).”

And I was just wondering where the stance is on that now. After TLJ/TROS, I know I’m not sure about how to feel when it comes to the sequel trilogy. I liked TFA, but it didn’t stand on its own and kind of hung on ANH/the promise of solid sequels but, given the disjointed nature of that trilogy… idk.
The real reason I ask is because, if that sort of open-ended ending was still part of you’re plan, then…

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Could that new scene of Luke training Leia work as an alternative ending. It would still require trimming down the celebration and I’m not sure whether the pyre scene would work better where it is rn or just before the new scene, but I can imagine that scene fitting in there. I feel it would work well to act as a pay off to the whole “there is another” and give the whole siblings plot an actual conclusion, rather than just drama. It would also work for “haters” and fans of the Sequels alike, and would give credibility to certain controversial plot points that felt forced due to them having no setup.

Overall I believe it would add to the movie, and Star Wars saga, as (for some) the final movie in the saga, would end with Luke fulfilling his role of teaching the next generation of Jedi. The ‘Return Of The Jedi’.

Ending it on the pyre scene, with the ghosts added, was just an idea. The more i thought about it, the more i missed the celebration ( Yub-Nub, not the SE version with the ripped off native american/ new age music). The planet celebrations will still be erased ( why the hell are there thousands of people celebrating in mos eisley, a small spaceport?). The Empire isn’t fully defeated at this point and the celebrations are way too quick to happen. I’m going back to the pre-SE version of the ending ( with one or two changes, like the added wedge shots).

You could still end ROTJ:R with the funeral pyre scene by having the celebration happen before it just without Luke in it.

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Work on Revisited has restarted…

So today i started delving into the new Blu-Ray versions of the OT, beginning with ROTJ as this is the one i will be using these versions for. Well it is the best the trilogy has looked on home video. Which, in itself , is a very sad statement to make. A very subpar release i’m afraid. Although the grading doesn’t suffer as bad as the 2011 Blu-rays, it isn’t great either. Whereas the 2011 blu-rays suffered with oversaturated colours and a heavy blue tint, these ones are very undersaturated and it seems like the blues have almost been stripped from the film. Skies are almost grey and other areas that should have heavy blues are missing almost all traces of blue colour. So, where i thought that ROTJ wouldn’t need so much of a regrade as it would have using the 2011 blu-rays, turns out there needs to be as much, if not more, work done in that area.

Now getting onto the image quality. While , again for the most part, the quality of the video is much better than the previous 2011 blu-ray set, it does suffer with many problems. Most of it is down to RelianceMediaworks grain reduction/ restoration. Static/ frozen grain is a problem that plagues releases they have worked on. Background really suffer with frozen grain. While the image is static, it doesn’t pose too much of an issue. But if the background is moving along with the shot, then it makes the background look like its a still image just sliding across the screen, almost making the shot look like the background was added at a later time. The biggest static/ frozen grain problem though is when it is on people faces/ bodies. The frozen grain then unnaturally moves with the character, while still being frozen. Then there are areas of the image where RelianceMediaworks algorithm seems to have missed the grain completely and actually over-sharpened it. I’ve been doing some experiments to eliminate/reduce this problem and , so far, the results are promising. Sadly this isn’t going to be just a case of adding a filter to remove the frozen grain. Each shot will have to be worked on individually. Each shot will require multiple mask layers to separate background and foreground objects to apply filters to reduce this problem. Sadly adding a layer of slight film grain doesn’t hide this problem, so heavy rotoscoping & multiple mask layers is the only route. Then, once this cleanup is done, a slight layer of film grain can be added to match the previous 2 films in the Revisited saga. Very time consuming, but it will be worth it.

Another problem with the grain reduction is that the digital noise reduction has been applied to heavily on many shots, destroying a hell of a lot of detail. These shots are spread throughout the film and are worse quality than the old 2011 blu-ray set (as you can in the comparisons between the 2020 blu-ray set and the 2011 in the link below). (either press the number on your keyboard that corresponds with the image to cycle through them or click on each tab)

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/91J0CNNU

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/7YDYLNNX

Now , for these type of shots, I will be replacing them with the 2011 versions. With some clean-up work these shots can look pretty good, much better than they are on this new set. Here is a rough example of what can be done.

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/91J1JNNU

that last shot also shows ( in motion it can be seen much clearer) another problem with this new set: the use of Power Windows. This is where an area is masked off so that a different grading can be applied to it. In that shot, Han and Leia have been badly masked off and have been brightened. The problem is that the shadow areas have also been brightened and do not blend in with the surrounding areas. What is worse is that the mask is so badly applied that is doesn’t follow the movement of the characters and then they have what looks like a black line around them at times. It’s horrendously bad. Theres a bit in ANH when they pull up to the cantina where this has also been badly applied. In the background as they get out from the speeder in front of the cantina, the background buildings have been masked to enable a different grading for the sky. But when the camera moves, the mask doesn’t move with it correctly and the sky in that area becomes a sandy colour. Although this one isn’t as noticeable as other ones

Now we get onto the films grading. Dull. That’s all I can say about it really. It’s so lacking. Like I said before, they seem to have gone the other way with this release and removed a lot of the blues that should be there and reduced the saturation . When you look at older releases of the OT, prior to the 2004 SE’s, you can see just how much the colouring differs. Thankfully we have the 4k83 releases, which are scanned from original film prints and give us a better idea of that the grading should or can look like. While these may not be 100% accurate to how the film originally looked, they’re the closest we are going to get. So I have been tinkering with the grading to try and get it to look more like the 4k83 versions. Below are a few examples of a test regrade.

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/7YDG7NNX

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/91191NNU

So , that’s it for now. The grain cleanup is going to take a while and then I can move onto the grading.

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Thanks for the update on this. It’s amazing the weird shinagans that occurs with the official releases of these movies with the coloring/grading/etc. I appreciate the time you are going to devote on this to, essentially, make the movie look good.

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This is very interesting! What surprises me about some of things you have noticed is how a lot of the errors that were made seem so lazy. Perhaps there was a lot of work to be done, and some errors unintentionally fell through the cracks. It just surprises me how even the newest official release suffers from these kind of flaws. You would think they would put in the appropriate time and effort to do these films justice.