Long(ish) reply post coming up…
Inspired by Sir Ridley, I thought to myself, What if I projected the image of the Death Star into a proper sphere that had the correct volumes of the superlaser, the trench, and the cuts in the surface as the Death Star II?
Here is a broad test. It allows you to move the view slightly. At some point you start seeing the trick, but it could be a nice tool to get static different points of views (by reparing the image a little) or to get slight movement like Sir Ridley suggested.
That’s amazing. I love just how much talent there is in these forums. Could something like this be used on a static image of a ship, like the Executor, just to give it some subtle 3d movement as it moves across the screen?
It would be interesting if a new more enhanced puppet of Sy Snootles was used.
This was the plan originally. I was thinking about building a full size puppet that would be manipulated the same was 3p0 was in Episode 1. That way, it could be walking and moving more naturally. The CG version is just horrendous but the original puppet also has its problems, but it still looks better than the 97 abomination. Sadly i don’t think that the new puppet could be pulled off on such a small budget.
In this shot Luke’s saber goes through the railing here without damaging it.
The engines of a Y-wing that passes here in this shot are not light up
When the shield generator explodes, a piece of shrapnel flies towards the left side of the screen and then bounces back off from the inside of the wall it was housed in.
All those will be fixed
We have theatrical DTS audio for all six pre-Disney movies (1997 SEs and all three prequels).
Good to know!
Unpopular suggestion: can Ady cut the crying rancor keeper? I’ve hated it since I first watched the film and its removal would help reduce the bloat of the Jabba section.
I quite like the Rancor keeper getting upset. So that will be staying.
First, the link:
AND THEN the million dollar question:
Adywan, is this something you might consider using in your edit?
No. The original is much better.
I have an idea: when Vader witnesses Luke being electrocuted by Palpatine, he should say “Leave my son alone.” instead of “NOOO!!!”. What do you think?
That scene should remain without dialogue, as it was originally.
Would it be possible for this scene to be reshot to include a gloved hand?
The DS crew in this scene are all wearing black gloves but then in the next shot a gloveless hand is shown pushing a button.
Adywan, you could use your own hand for that shot.
Things like this will also be fixed
It’d also be nice for the writing on the screen to be rewritten with the “actual” Aurebesh alphabet (which was used for the tractor beam text in the 2004 SE of ANH). As it is now, it’s just gibberish.
But yeah, replacing the naked hand with a glove is a good call.
Most of the displays will be replaced anyway, so the text will end up saying something. Like i did in ANH 😉
Actually talking of voices, and from the same opening scene with the ‘ungloved hand’, the blond Imperial Officer who says “Inform the Commander that Lord Vader’s shuttle has arrived” speaks with a very noticeably American accent.
If you watch ESB and ROTJ back-to-back its actually quite jarring to hear the US accent from an Imperial officer right at the start of the film - in ESB the British accent was the voice of the Empire’s officer class and it gave the Empire a certain haughty aristocracy that worked very well.
Hardly a game changer but I think redubbing a British accent for that officer would be a nice little improvement to the movie.
I may be removing this line of dialogue anyway. This is something that has always bugged me with ROTJ. Ruined reveals. Take this opening scene for instance. The shuttle arrives, then Moff Jerjerrod is waiting nervously. The shuttle door opens. But not directly revealing who it is. Instead it starts showing only the feet then panning up to reveal it’s Vader. But this was ruined because the audience has just been told that its Vader in the shuttle. Another is the reveal of the Ewoks. The gang escapes the net only to be surrounded by some strange small creatures. Any suspense as to the nature of these creatures was already ruined by having the scene with Wicket and Leia. Also that scene ruins the reveal that leia is ok when she emerges from the hut in the Ewok village and also the jeapody of Han and co searching for her. We already know she is ok. Removbe the commander telling us its vader in the shuttle and the whole scene works better. Remove the Leia and Wicket scene and everything after that works better too. Just have the scene play out that you see this unknown creature approach leia and poke her with the spear, leia awakes started and…cut. We don’t know her fate. We don’t know these little guys are ultimately friendly.
One of the things that I loved the most in ANH:R was the seamless inclusion of the planet Yavin in the background of the final battle. (Not actually sure if Yavin is the name of the moon, or the planet…) It added a striking visual element and a sorely needed piece of geographical continuity.
It might be neat to try something similar here, unless if would be too visually distracting; there’s a LOT more going on in this fight!
Adding a large planet that isn’t Endor into the mix during the battle would be too similar to ANH:R. Plus we already have the Endor moon being so prominent. Adding another would become distracting.
A quick suggestion for ROTJ:R, maybe throw in a reference to Thrawn in the background displays or see if you can add the Rebel’s Ghost ship in the Battle of Endor. It would be quite a treat for fans of Star Wars Rebels. ESB:R is a masterpiece. Wishing you all the best on ROTJ:R Ady!
Chopper is already in ESB:R 😉
Im doing a prequel trilogy and was wondering how you were handling Leiah knowing her mother if at all. I want to make the prequels fit with the Ot and not spoil or mess anything up with continuity. Not sure how i should handle the twins just yet
I believe Adywan said he’s omitting the scene where Leia says she remembers her mother.
Someone should do a flashback scene where Padme names her children in ROTJ as Obi-wan tells Luke about Leia, but it should be removed from Revenge of the Sith.
No, i never said i would be removing that. I was originally going to fix that when doing ROTS, but as i am no longer doing the prequels, i’m not bothered about the continuity. George messed up, pure and simple. The problem was never with the OT as these came first. If it was to be altered to fix this ( instead of fans trying hard to explain the error by claiming she was remembering her adopted mother, even though Luke clearly asker about her “real mother”, or that she remembers it through a force vision) then it needed to be altered in ROTS. My original plan was to have padme live, but hidden from the emperor and Vader on Alderaan, and Leia adopted.
I thought this was interesting.
Shopping Maul said:
screams in the void said:
I watched Return Of The Jedi last night and caught something that I never gave much thought …when the Emperor tells Vader to go to the sanctuary moon and wait for Skywalker , he does not arrive on the moon until after nightfall .In the scene right after Vader has his talk with Palps ,the rebels land on Endor and a full day passes into night before Luke goes off to meet Vader . Was there that much travel time between Death Star 2 and Endor via shuttle ? Or did Vader go off and meditate for a while before departing ? I guess this could be open to a lot of speculation .
…Luke says to Leia “Vader’s here - on this moon…” when Vader hasn’t landed yet.
Any thoughts on this?
Vader is already on the moon. We just see his shuttle land on one of the pads where and AT-AT is docking. Vader could just have come from the shield base and not just arrived from the Death Star.
In the space battle we have A,B,X and Y-wings but apparently only 3 wing groups. Are fighters and bombers shared across wing groups?
It’s a continuity mess the way the battle has been edited. We have Lando leading Gold group ( but no fighters in Gold group), Red group is the X-wings, Green groups is the A-wings and Grey group is the Y-wings. Blue groups was also in there originally, which were the B-wings. But who the hell is Lando the leader of? In ROTJ:R, the Y-wings return to being Gold group and the B-wings are back as Blue group. Grey group is gone.
There are two very different kinds of explosion effect in the OT. Where they’ve blown up a miniature it’s great. Where they’ve merely match cut to a firework going off it’s hardly more “realistic” than a CG one. The latter can still work fine (they used it for the Death Stars after all) but in some cases the mismatch between the miniature and the firework is jarring.
Yeah exactly, which is what I mean when I say in some ways they aren’t better, though in other ways they are, like the fact that they’re actual photographed explosions.
Even still you can’t quite delineate between a miniature exploding and a match cut to an explosion. The DSII for instance is the latter but it’s one of the best in the series because they lit up the miniature for the shot before it cuts to the explosion, so you have a relatively seamless combination of the two elements.
Speaking of, to put us back on topic, has ady said if he’ll be keeping the praxis wave for the explosion? It’s the one added praxis ring that I think actually adds a little something to the effect and energy of the shot (with the Falcon outrunning it being one last thrill). One of the only SE additions I miss a little when I watch the OOT.
No, i never really liked the praxis effect for the Death Star explosions,only planet explosions, especially in ROTJ where it would have devastated the facing section of Endor.
I’m not sure if anyone has brought this up. Its bound to be controversial but, is there any footage from ‘Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure’/‘Ewoks: The Battle for Endor’ that could be useful to supplement the Endor scenes.
Its very likely the footage is too low quality and idk if there are any “good quality” sources for it out there. But it might have useful shots/clips of Ewoks or the forest in there. It would be unsurprising if its a no, though.
Even with the new upscaled fan made version of Battle of Endor (which i think is amazing by the way and applaud DarthPyro52 for what he was able to accomplish) , the footage is too low quality to be used on it own. I have been looking through to see if i can add elements to new plates for the ground troop battle. But, until i can start some tests, i don’t know if integrating elements from the Ewok movies would work for what i need.
Adywan, in your full list of changes you’ve put:
“Have a small portion of the Ewok celebration which then leads to the funeral pyre scene. This is where the Force Ghosts will appear and the film will end with Luke being alone (which in turn foreshadows TFA).”
And I was just wondering where the stance is on that now. After TLJ/TROS, I know I’m not sure about how to feel when it comes to the sequel trilogy. I liked TFA, but it didn’t stand on its own and kind of hung on ANH/the promise of solid sequels but, given the disjointed nature of that trilogy… idk.
The real reason I ask is because, if that sort of open-ended ending was still part of you’re plan, then…
Spoilers for Rise of Skywalker
Could that new scene of Luke training Leia work as an alternative ending. It would still require trimming down the celebration and I’m not sure whether the pyre scene would work better where it is rn or just before the new scene, but I can imagine that scene fitting in there. I feel it would work well to act as a pay off to the whole “there is another” and give the whole siblings plot an actual conclusion, rather than just drama. It would also work for “haters” and fans of the Sequels alike, and would give credibility to certain controversial plot points that felt forced due to them having no setup.
Overall I believe it would add to the movie, and Star Wars saga, as (for some) the final movie in the saga, would end with Luke fulfilling his role of teaching the next generation of Jedi. The ‘Return Of The Jedi’.
Ending it on the pyre scene, with the ghosts added, was just an idea. The more i thought about it, the more i missed the celebration ( Yub-Nub, not the SE version with the ripped off native american/ new age music). The planet celebrations will still be erased ( why the hell are there thousands of people celebrating in mos eisley, a small spaceport?). The Empire isn’t fully defeated at this point and the celebrations are way too quick to happen. I’m going back to the pre-SE version of the ending ( with one or two changes, like the added wedge shots).
This is a rough version of the “force connection” I’m talking about. They also replicate this in TLJ with Ben and Leia. But great suggestion! @CarboniteSolo
In this scene they aren’t connecting or communicating with each other. Vader and luke are just sensing each other, so the ESB effect doesn’t work here.