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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 90

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Valheru_84 said:

They pretty clearly spell out that Jabba has Han and that they will be meeting at a distant point in the future at the rendezvous but to have planned it for a full year away seems a bit unplausable. All I can think and read into it myself is that it took a lot longer to get everything in place that they planned

For Lando to create a character, gain trust in Jabba’s crew and become “one of the boys” had to take same time. We’re talking about the galaxy’s greatest gansta’ leading the galaxy’s greatest gang. You don’t just walk into that place, buy the room a drink and get accepted.
Luke has clearly advanced in skills. There’s certainly some time tied up there.
The entire Rebellion has evaded the Empire, regrouped and found a temporary place to hide while also fining out about the new Death Star, examining the layout and finding a way to destroy it.
A year seems easily plausible to me.

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ray_afraid said:

Valheru_84 said:

They pretty clearly spell out that Jabba has Han and that they will be meeting at a distant point in the future at the rendezvous but to have planned it for a full year away seems a bit unplausable. All I can think and read into it myself is that it took a lot longer to get everything in place that they planned

For Lando to create a character, gain trust in Jabba’s crew and become “one of the boys” had to take same time. We’re talking about the galaxy’s greatest gansta’ leading the galaxy’s greatest gang. You don’t just walk into that place, buy the room a drink and get accepted.
Luke has clearly advanced in skills. There’s certainly some time tied up there.
The entire Rebellion has evaded the Empire, regrouped and found a temporary place to hide while also fining out about the new Death Star, examining the layout and finding a way to destroy it.
A year seems easily plausible to me.

I get the feeling you think I’m of the opinion that ROTJ comes nearly straight after TESB, where in fact I grew up always feeling that a not insignificant amount of time (such as a year or more) has passed between the two because of what I listed further above (you might want to check a few posts back where I basically cover what you said about Luke in greater detail, so that point is moot in regards to responding to my view on time elapsed) and many other things that just gives you a general feeling of time having passed without having to try and specifically quantify it.

It’s only when getting into discussion about it that I’ve then tried to nail down a time period for myself based on how I interpret the movies and other information I have since learned (or been reminded of) and it’s because of what Luke says to Lando at the end of TESB that alone makes me now say a year sounds implausible as to what they had planned themselves then and there but obviously other factors have blown out the rendezvous date from what they probably meant to only be 2-3 months from when they parted ways. Which in the end is probably a good thing otherwise theoretically Luke wouldn’t have been the same Jedi Knight we see in ROTJ and probably couldn’t have pulled off the rescue.

So I don’t dispute any of what you just said, however I don’t think it would take a full year for Lando to infiltrate Jabba’s palace. We’re not to know as the theatrical audience how big Jabba is within the lore so I don’t think the “galaxy’s greatest gansta’ leading the galaxy’s greatest gang” has much stake in the plausibility of Lando’s infiltration.

There is also an issue in the line of thinking of actually being indoctrinated as one of the gang as then at some point Lando would have had to carry out acts that proves his worth to his employer and colleagues which likely then makes him not really suitable anymore as an honorable and trust worthy member of the rebellion (he’d probably have blood on his hands). The fact he is hiding his identity behind his face guard to me confirms that it is an actual infiltration that runs the risk of being found out at any time through recognition that he isn’t actually one of them and this is why I don’t buy that its part of the reason it has taken upwards of a year to conduct the actual rescue itself.

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I can see a year (though I would tend to think less than that), but people here talking about two or three years is crazy. To end one movie with “I’ll meet you at the rendezvous point on Tatooine” and for that not to happen until three years later is absurd. It shouldn’t take that long to come up with a plan, especially not the one we see play out in ROTJ.

Anyways, I think we’re a bit off topic.

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Valheru_84 said:

ray_afraid said:

Valheru_84 said:

They pretty clearly spell out that Jabba has Han and that they will be meeting at a distant point in the future at the rendezvous but to have planned it for a full year away seems a bit unplausable. All I can think and read into it myself is that it took a lot longer to get everything in place that they planned

For Lando to create a character, gain trust in Jabba’s crew and become “one of the boys” had to take same time. We’re talking about the galaxy’s greatest gansta’ leading the galaxy’s greatest gang. You don’t just walk into that place, buy the room a drink and get accepted.
Luke has clearly advanced in skills. There’s certainly some time tied up there.
The entire Rebellion has evaded the Empire, regrouped and found a temporary place to hide while also fining out about the new Death Star, examining the layout and finding a way to destroy it.
A year seems easily plausible to me.

I get the feeling you think I’m of the opinion that ROTJ comes nearly straight after TESB

Sorry if I’ve responded to you before. I tend to forget what I’ve said n’ who I said it to around here anymore.

There is also an issue in the line of thinking of actually being indoctrinated as one of the gang as then at some point Lando would have had to carry out acts that proves his worth to his employer and colleagues which likely then makes him not really suitable anymore as an honorable and trust worthy member of the rebellion (he’d probably have blood on his hands).

R1 shows that dirty deeds aren’t something the rebellion is above, nor should they be.

The fact he is hiding his identity behind his face guard to me confirms that it is an actual infiltration that runs the risk of being found out at any time through recognition

Hm. Good point. *fist bump

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Anyways, I think we’re a bit off topic.

Hm. Good point. *Fist bump

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ray_afraid said:

Valheru_84 said:
I get the feeling you think I’m of the opinion that ROTJ comes nearly straight after TESB

Sorry if I’ve responded to you before. I tend to forget what I’ve said n’ who I said it to around here anymore.

No, it’s not that. Instead I feel you simply missed my other reply a couple of posts earlier where I basically detail just by how different Luke is that I agree at least 6 months to a year has passed since TESB but the way you responded felt is as if I had said the opposite somewhere, maybe my comment about what Luke and Lando said before parting making a year implausible but I was just commenting solely on that one aspect alone irrespective of all the other factors that make it obvious that many months have indeed passed since TESB.

ray_afraid said:

There is also an issue in the line of thinking of actually being indoctrinated as one of the gang as then at some point Lando would have had to carry out acts that proves his worth to his employer and colleagues which likely then makes him not really suitable anymore as an honorable and trust worthy member of the rebellion (he’d probably have blood on his hands).

R1 shows that dirty deeds aren’t something the rebellion is above, nor should they be.

That may be so but I doubt it would be viewed in the same light by Luke, Leia and Han (or Chewie for that matter 😛 ) especially when there would already be trust issues hanging over from Lando’s initial betrayal at Bespin. Plus it really depends on the specific deed and the characters themselves. I don’t see Lando being remotely the same as Cassian for instance or capable of such acts in view of the “bigger picture” which in this case, is not the galaxy but the life of his friend who I doubt would be ok with Lando having murdered / put to death locals or done other despicable deeds in order to affect a rescue.

Plus I think at this stage in the saga story the Rebellion need to be a clean and shining example to the galaxy now that they’re out in the open, as opposed to the early days of trying to start the Rebellion while remaining hidden and sink to low acts to keep it that way or get an edge on the Empire lest they be snuffed out for all time…

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DominicCobb said:

Anyways, I think we’re a bit off topic.

Hm. Good point. *Fist bump

Yes, lets move on 😃 (though I agree Dom that 3 years really is implausible and I think people just mistake or confuse the real 3 year gap between movies for the time gap in the story)

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Anybody else hoping Ady will re-think giving Boba a “definitive death”?
Unlike the changes to SW & ESB, this is one that will force a change in the viewers EU. In the original, it’s easy to imagine Bobba surviving (as many do), but by giving him his fathers head chop ( I believe the plan is to use footage from AOTC), it’s over.
Also, if you’re a saga fan, both Boba Jong and Boba Fett will receive the exact same death.
I’m not even a big Boba Fett fan, but this idea just sits wrong with me.
I think I’ve said this before, but I’m hoping this is the reverse of “No AT-ST’s in ESB:R”.

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Thats an interesting question. Ady has stated before that his revisited edits would not follow the EU. What was in the movies was canon. Reguarding Boba Fett, in my opinion, his death in ROTJ ( the way it was done )was not justified, and I still feel the very same way every time I see it. I think Ady will be making a change that will make sense. Your guess is as good as mine as to how Ady is going to do it.

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I must have missed discussion about his head being cut off. Has Ady said that’s his plan?

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His change list mentions a new death for Boba, and while he hasn’t explicitly stated what that entails, I think pulling a Jango has been implied a few times.

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ray_afraid said:

Anybody else hoping Ady will re-think giving Boba a “definitive death”?
Unlike the changes to SW & ESB, this is one that will force a change in the viewers EU. In the original, it’s easy to imagine Bobba surviving (as many do), but by giving him his fathers head chop ( I believe the plan is to use footage from AOTC), it’s over.
Also, if you’re a saga fan, both Boba Jong and Boba Fett will receive the exact same death.
I’m not even a big Boba Fett fan, but this idea just sits wrong with me.
I think I’ve said this before, but I’m hoping this is the reverse of “No AT-ST’s in ESB:R”.

Not sure where you got that this is the way he is going to die ( and i certainly wouldn’t reuse footage from AOTC even if i did decide to kill him off that way). A real bugbear of mine is the resurrection of dead characters( Boba surviving the Sarlaac, Maul surviving being cut in half, the Emperor returning as a damn clone etc). It cheapens their death if you just bring them back just because they are a popular character. Bringing a character back as a force ghost is a different matter entirely though as this isn’t really bringing them back to life. Boba was nothing more than a throw away character that the fans inflated his importance. I really don’t care what the EU has said or done as i have stated many times, the EU does not exist in relation to the Revisited Saga. Boba is going to die and there will be no doubt that he is dead in ROTJ:R. How this is going to happen? Well, that hasn’t been fully decided just yet.

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adywan said:

ray_afraid said:

Anybody else hoping Ady will re-think giving Boba a “definitive death”?
Unlike the changes to SW & ESB, this is one that will force a change in the viewers EU. In the original, it’s easy to imagine Bobba surviving (as many do), but by giving him his fathers head chop ( I believe the plan is to use footage from AOTC), it’s over.
Also, if you’re a saga fan, both Boba Jong and Boba Fett will receive the exact same death.
I’m not even a big Boba Fett fan, but this idea just sits wrong with me.
I think I’ve said this before, but I’m hoping this is the reverse of “No AT-ST’s in ESB:R”.

Not sure where you got that this is the way he is going to die ( and i certainly wouldn’t reuse footage from AOTC even if i did decide to kill him off that way).

I guessed it a long time ago and you seemed to give it a positive nod at the time.
Knowing it won’t be that is relief enough. He dies in the original cut, so I gots no problem seeing him go.
Though I think I’d still prefer your original idea of cutting Boba out of the film altogether, I’m excited to see what happens!

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adywan said:

ray_afraid said:

Anybody else hoping Ady will re-think giving Boba a “definitive death”?
Unlike the changes to SW & ESB, this is one that will force a change in the viewers EU. In the original, it’s easy to imagine Bobba surviving (as many do), but by giving him his fathers head chop ( I believe the plan is to use footage from AOTC), it’s over.
Also, if you’re a saga fan, both Boba Jong and Boba Fett will receive the exact same death.
I’m not even a big Boba Fett fan, but this idea just sits wrong with me.
I think I’ve said this before, but I’m hoping this is the reverse of “No AT-ST’s in ESB:R”.

Not sure where you got that this is the way he is going to die ( and i certainly wouldn’t reuse footage from AOTC even if i did decide to kill him off that way). A real bugbear of mine is the resurrection of dead characters( Boba surviving the Sarlaac, Maul surviving being cut in half, the Emperor returning as a damn clone etc). It cheapens their death if you just bring them back just because they are a popular character. Bringing a character back as a force ghost is a different matter entirely though as this isn’t really bringing them back to life. Boba was nothing more than a throw away character that the fans inflated his importance. I really don’t care what the EU has said or done as i have stated many times, the EU does not exist in relation to the Revisited Saga. Boba is going to die and there will be no doubt that he is dead in ROTJ:R. How this is going to happen? Well, that hasn’t been fully decided just yet.

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Okay, glad to hear it’s still up in the air. I think having him get decapitated during the Sarlacc sequence would be a little jarring in tone. (In moviemaking parlance based on how its presented; Luke’s being real murderous in reality.)

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Hal 9000 said:

(In moviemaking parlance based on how its presented; Luke’s being real murderous in reality.)

Yeah. The music during that scene is very heroic, but if you think about it, him threatening Jabba with death, and then killing all of his minions doesn’t exactly scream “the Jedi way”. But I think it serves the story.

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I’m definitely all for a more definitive death for Boba Fett. I always thought his ending was lackluster.

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Hal 9000 said:

(In moviemaking parlance based on how its presented; Luke’s being real murderous in reality.)

RogueLeader said:
Yeah. The music during that scene is very heroic, but if you think about it, him threatening Jabba with death, and then killing all of his minions doesn’t exactly scream “the Jedi way”. But I think it serves the story.

What IS the Jedi way though at this stage in Star Wars history? I don’t think it’s anywhere near as defined as it was later in the PT but even there the Jedi have no problem cutting down anyone they consider an enemy that is a continued threat to them or their charges. Yoda has taught Luke “A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, NEVER for attack” yet where do you draw the line when your friend’s lives are at constant risk during a staged rescue where it’s chaotic with blaster fire going everywhere and things happening inside Jabba’s barge that you’re unaware of but you know some of your colleagues are in there, potentially fighting for their lives?

Sometimes the best defence is a strong offence and when you’re surrounded by murderous scum themselves who are only intent on killing you and your friends, it doesn’t leave many options on the table. I think Luke’s actions are exactly what you describe them as - heroic in defence of his friends. Once on the barge he doesn’t personally go hunt down and slaughter all of Jabba’s minions, instead just holding them off as Leia swings the deck cannon around. He does then fire it into the barge, but everyone on board IS an enemy and he needs to disable the barge in order to ensure they can get away without continued pursuit.

I think you can say that there is a little darkness in Luke here though since he casually force chokes two guards and is wearing all black like his father and in direct contrast to his white farmer clothes in ANH. You might even say his clothes show a transition from the white innocent naivety of ANH to grey in TESB that shows he is now somewhat tainted by loss and world experiences and he goes to full black in ROTJ after feeling his friends being tortured via the force, learning the most monstrous and evil man in the galaxy is his father, having his hand chopped off and choosing suicide over joining or being captured by Vader, then finally at the end celebration the top flap of his shirt is undone, showing it to be white underneath and that there was always and still is hope and light inside Luke despite the darkness shown on the outside and that he started heading towards in ROTJ. But ultimately his heart is in the right place and his actions during the rescue are all directed at ensuring he can get all of his friends out alive.

Also, glad to hear Ady that Boba will remain dead and I fully agree with what you say about bringing back dead characters. It not only cheapens their deaths but the deaths of any future characters because you start thinking “are they actually gone or will they just be brought back whenever it’s convenient to the writer?”.

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RogueLeader said:

Hal 9000 said:

(In moviemaking parlance based on how its presented; Luke’s being real murderous in reality.)

Yeah. The music during that scene is very heroic, but if you think about it, him threatening Jabba with death, and then killing all of his minions doesn’t exactly scream “the Jedi way”. But I think it serves the story.

Eh, it didn’t look to me like a murderous rampage. It was set up as an Errol Flynn swashbuckling pirate ship rescue. Jabba and his minions were immediate threats to Luke and his friends.

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trimboNZ said:

RogueLeader said:

Hal 9000 said:

(In moviemaking parlance based on how its presented; Luke’s being real murderous in reality.)

Yeah. The music during that scene is very heroic, but if you think about it, him threatening Jabba with death, and then killing all of his minions doesn’t exactly scream “the Jedi way”. But I think it serves the story.

Eh, it didn’t look to me like a murderous rampage. It was set up as an Errol Flynn swashbuckling pirate ship rescue. Jabba and his minions were immediate threats to Luke and his friends.

Errol Flynn didn’t usually blow up his enemy’s ship after the rescue. And Luke isn’t a pirate, he’s a Jedi. Making threats is out of character.

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That is a really good question! I think it is a bit of both.

I don’t know how much of it is intentional on George and Larry’s part when they wrote Luke this way, of course having Luke be a swashbuckler in this instance is a lot more fun than if he talked their way out of it, but I think the film constantly shows Luke kind of in this grey area between the dark side and “the good side” that is meant for us to wonder if Luke is going to turn or not.

Of course Luke and company had limited resources with their knowledge and experience so they had limited options, but I think a wiser Jedi would have found a way to resolve the situation without violence, or at least non-fatal violence. The only instance of violence from Obi-Wan or Yoda in the OT is when Obi-Wan cuts off that guy’s arm in the Cantina, but even then it appears he didn’t kill the guy, just “disarmed” him.

I mean yeah, Luke’s intentions are totally in the right place, he is doing it to save his friends, but I think even just in the OT it is demonstrated how even good intentions can lead you down the path of the dark side. Yoda feared Luke turning when he was so desperate to save his friends on Bespin, and Luke almost turned when he got a taste of the dark side when Vader threatened to turn Leia.

I think the old ROTJ even implied that Luke is happy to destroy people who caused his friends pain. As Luke is growing in power, he clearly is still coming to understand his relationship with it, and I think that is pretty compelling for his character.

I’ll leave you with this one important question: Did Max Rebo deserve to die?

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RogueLeader said:

I’ll leave you with this one important question: Did Max Rebo deserve to die?

I like to think the musos slipped out the back door at the first sign of trouble.

Like the construction workers on the Death Star.

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Were Boba Fett to be beheaded, say, during the Sarlacc sequence, my gut tells me it would be too much more graphic than the next most graphic thing that happens there. It’s not that Luke isn’t swinging around killing everything he sees, just that the tone of the scene is somewhat light.
I’m sure Adywan will produce an end for Fett that fits in well with what he’s working with.

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Tantive3+1 said:

In the Space battle when Lando says “Watch yourself, Wedge. Three from above.” then when Wedge says “Red 3, Red 2, pull in”, it is Green Leader who responds with “Got it”. Not someone from Red Group.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZigWFyK2o&t=2m29s

At first I thought this was a man but based on the rebel pilots footage its actually a female pilot.

A female pilot with a mans voice saying “got it!”

And based on the 2 tie interceptors she is in an A Wing before getting shot down in the next scene.

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When C-3PO gives himself up outside of the shield generator in preparation for the Ewok ambush, the Commander shouts "Bring those two down here". All shots below show that the Commander could only have seen C-3PO standing there as R2-D2 was completely out of sight from the Imperial forces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHf1HY2FN5k&t=1m34s




Analog Releases of Films That Contain Deleted, Extended, & Alternate Footage That’ve Never Been Released on DVD/BluRay

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During the Rancor scene, when a full frontal shot of it is shown as Luke tries to find a way out, you can see the puppeteer’s blue-clothed arm operating the Rancor on its left side (right for the viewer).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZy6G_vz_Ng&t=2m28s

When Luke jumps off his speeder bike during the chase, you can clearly see him bouncing on a pad or cushion when he hits the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCMT1tCY8bE&t=2m52s

During the Space Battle of Endor, the Executor is stationed at the front of the squadron of Star Destroyers during the combat scenes. But from the view inside of Emporer Palpatine’s tower, it’s depicted to be in the middle of the squadron of Star Destroyers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZigWFyK2o&t=2m2s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZigWFyK2o&t=3m3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuPe-ly0BHM&t=3m16s




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