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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 84

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That is a really great article! Please consider it, Ady.

oofa doofa

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Indeed, and I agree that framing and digital panning will improve some shots.
But for lighting, the main problem is the BlueRay grading (the 4K scans don’t look that bad).

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Yeah, I definitely would be okay if Ady decided to get creative with those aspects of the film.

Though I’m kind of curious to see how much of an affect can be had by altering these things in post. Yes, a lot of shots would’ve been nice with different lighting, but can we improve what is there by adjusting things like color? What about contrast? Could make the shadows darker help give it a look more comparable to Empire? It would be interesting to see some comparisons and see how much can certain things be improved before it’s taken too far and looks wrong.

It would be nice if there was a noticeable difference. I’ve kinda felt ROTJ’s weaker lighting at times also led to certain special effects standing out more in comparison to many of ESB’s effects, like with certain creatures or effects.

Anyway, really interesting article.

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4throck said:

But for lighting, the main problem is the BlueRay grading (the 4K scans don’t look that bad).

I’d like to agree, but can’t. RotJ has terrible lighting.
Compare shots on the SuperStarDestroyer bridge in Empire and Jedi. In Jedi, it looks like they’ve closed and gone home for the day. No lights on, no screens on, very dark, very boring. This is the same technique they used for the whole film and it makes everything look cheap.

Ray’s Lounge
Biggs in ANH edit idea
ROTJ opening edit idea

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Ady, are you going to make the Executors bridge consistent between films? Is it even possible?

That’s always been one of my big visual gripes with Jedi.

oofa doofa

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Sooooo.

Awhile back I created my own fanedit of ROTJ (it’s called “The Ziggy Edit,” if you can find it out there).

One of my changes included the removal of Obi-Wan’s awful line: “What I told you was true, from a certain point of view.”

Instead, I inserted a clip from some of the original deleted scenes / lines from a laserdisc. It’s the scene on Yoda’s deathbed, and when Luke asks Yoda about his father, Yoda responds as he does in the final film, but also says, “Obi-Wan would have told you had I let him, but not ready for the burden were you.”

Such a better explanation than Lucas’s desire to make Obi-Wan into a saint.

EDIT: found an article about the scene here: https://www.tor.com/2013/11/07/absolving-obi-wan-deleted-scene-from-return-of-the-jedi-makes-yoda-into-the-jerk/

EDIT 2: found the footage (30 mins!): https://youtube.com/watch?v=Kz56q4t6fek

Putting “The Jedi Steps” into The Last Jedi
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1187781

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Merry Christmas to adywan and everyone else around this site, and I hope Santa is good to you all.

Stuff in general has distracted me from this thread since it started, but I hope to contribute a couple of things over the coming months. Judging by the proposals in the initial post, we’re already in for another treat.

 

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Merry Christmas all everyone!

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OK, I’d like to begin with saying this isn’t my idea and it is one from another editor they may or may not be end up using it, but its an idea none the less that I thought might be worth sharing as it requires little to no alterations, to already planned edits.
Rather than having Death Star I and then II the idea is to have the death star damaged or at least only partially destroyed, and then repaired over the course of ESB to be once again fully operational.
Now as you are reconstructing your original edit of ANH it seems to me that you could alter the destruction of the DS to leave fragments or a husk behind (idk how well that would fit in with the 70s SP aesthetic) but you’ve already shown you have a knack for that sort of thing.
It also wouldn’t interfere (form what I can see) with your plans for ROTJ, except for the possible removal or replacement of some dialog.
Thirdly, though this is more of bonus it wouldn’t interfere with anything from TFA as they only ever refer to the first DS as THE Death Star, so that even makes more sense if its just one.

Anyway its just an idea and if Adywan doesn’t feel it belongs in revisited I’m sure Digmodification will get to it at some point, I just thought it could make a fine edition to your collection. At the same time I don’t know how you or Digmod would feel about it being incorporating here, as it was his idea but that is only something to sort out with him if you were going to use it.

If you wanted to see what see it here is a link to where he posted it:
https://digmodification.wordpress.com/projects/star-wars-the-original-trilogy-one-death-star/

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DigMod said:

If Adywan ever wanted to use any of my ideas I’d be honoured, and would understand if not 😃

If it’s included or not it’s some radically awesome thinking!

Cheers, Paul

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Telion said:

OK, I’d like to begin with saying this isn’t my idea and it is one from another editor they may or may not be end up using it, but its an idea none the less that I thought might be worth sharing as it requires little to no alterations, to already planned edits.
Rather than having Death Star I and then II the idea is to have the death star damaged or at least only partially
destroyed, and then repaired over the course of ESB to be once again fully operational.

I think this is a great idea !

It is easy to implement, and takes away that unrealistic second death star that was built in no time and it was clearly a proof that GL was out of ideas to be used in ROTJ. And fixes that unrealistic idea that an entire death star was simply vaporized. There should be a giant piece that was still there, despite broken by the big explosion caused by the main reactor (that of course took a big piece of the Death Star, but it didn’t destroy it completely).

In ESB the mentioning of the death star being repaired can be done in the crawl, and that’s it ! You don’t need to change anything else in this movie ! The audience would be expecting to see the repaired death star, but they wouldn’t see it, they would only see it in ROTJ, and it would still be broken, what makes it more realistic due to the size (it is the size of a small moon, something this big can’t be fixed fast).

Besides that, the only thing I would like to see is a fix for Luke becoming a Jedi without finishing his training. In the crawl of ROTJ can be mentioned that Luke returned to Dagobah to finish his training, and the Empire was chasing the rebels across the galaxy. So when ROTJ starts Luke is already a Jedi (some rearranging of the scenes can be done in the way it was done in a previous ROTJ Fanedit, I don’t remember who it was, sorry).

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I think my very first post on this site was suggesting this exact idea. I do think it would be cool to see in an eventual OT edit, I think this idea is sort of beyond what Ady is wanting to do with Revisited. I think he is making some changes to the “canon” I guess you could say, like adding new pilots, changing the Tydirium’s shuttle class, and changing the way Boba Fett dies (although I kinda think this is a significant change), but I think the single Death Star idea might be too big of a change.

I also think he has said that he won’t be altering the opening crawl.

He also mentioned changing the way the Executor is destroyed, which is pretty significant too, but I think that change is generally accepted.

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One change from another fanedit which I always loved, was the idea of placing the Emperor’s Throne Room on the Super Star Destroyer instead of the Death Star II. The editor’s reasoning was that having everyone try to destroy a location which three of your main characters are on takes away some of the jeopardy. He’d changed a shot of the Shuttle Tydirium flying onto the DSII into one of it flying toward the SSD, then added some shots of the DSII flying past the window of the throne room in the background. Really effective.

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I think Adywan will not do any major changes. The single DS is a nice idea for fanedits, but not for a revisited edition.
And since we have TFA with yet again a super weapon, I think its just part of Star Wars!

There’s a lot to fix with the movie as it is, specially regarding effects.
Just doing a good regrade and adding some effects to the original shots makes a difference.

Original:
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Regrade and glow highlight effects:
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iamweasel said:

Telion said:

OK, I’d like to begin with saying this isn’t my idea and it is one from another editor they may or may not be end up using it, but its an idea none the less that I thought might be worth sharing as it requires little to no alterations, to already planned edits.
Rather than having Death Star I and then II the idea is to have the death star damaged or at least only partially
destroyed, and then repaired over the course of ESB to be once again fully operational.

I think this is a great idea !

It is easy to implement, and takes away that unrealistic second death star that was built in no time and it was clearly a proof that GL was out of ideas to be used in ROTJ. And fixes that unrealistic idea that an entire death star was simply vaporized. There should be a giant piece that was still there, despite broken by the big explosion caused by the main reactor (that of course took a big piece of the Death Star, but it didn’t destroy it completely).

In ESB the mentioning of the death star being repaired can be done in the crawl, and that’s it ! You don’t need to change anything else in this movie ! The audience would be expecting to see the repaired death star, but they wouldn’t see it, they would only see it in ROTJ, and it would still be broken, what makes it more realistic due to the size (it is the size of a small moon, something this big can’t be fixed fast).

Besides that, the only thing I would like to see is a fix for Luke becoming a Jedi without finishing his training. In the crawl of ROTJ can be mentioned that Luke returned to Dagobah to finish his training, and the Empire was chasing the rebels across the galaxy. So when ROTJ starts Luke is already a Jedi (some rearranging of the scenes can be done in the way it was done in a previous ROTJ Fanedit, I don’t remember who it was, sorry).

I have to say I’m on the other side of the room on this idea. While there is nothing wrong with the idea itself and it’s logic works well, I feel it should be part of a different set of fan edits (which this one could be used as a base for) rather than one that is more or less sticking to the original and widely loved story, including the 2nd Death Star which wasn’t an issue for most people. Of course it is Ady’s edit in the end, I am simply stating that personally I feel it would be a shame for what will be the perfect re-imagining of what the SEs could have been turn into another alternate take of the Star Wars story that one has to decide whether the story changes align with what they enjoy about Star Wars or not.

In regards to some of your comments about the 2nd Death Star, I don’t see how it was unrealistic when:

  • 7 years had passed since the destruction of the first one (so not “no time”) and it is only partially built at probably around 55-60% when looking at what is visibly missing and still under construction with large gaping spaces they are yet to fill in on the more completed left hemisphere where the Superlaser resides and even the visible lights are only focused around the centre area right below the Superlaser.

  • Considering the vast resources of the Empire, the bulk of them usually unseen and the obvious urgent need to rebuild their ultimate big stick to keep all the local systems in line out of fear (as explained in ANH), it actually makes sense for them to pour more resources and effort into reestablishing that ultimate weapon even quicker than before especially considering the Rebel’s themselves know they are not indestructible as the general public are led to believe.

And I don’t see the first Death Star being vaporised as an issue either considering how much energy is stored in it such that it can destroy an untold amount of planets which are many magnitudes large than the Death Star itself.

I agree that something could be added to the crawl regarding Luke having become a Jedi in all but name but you can make this assumption anyway from the movie title and I feel it was meant to be left ambiguous as it elevates the tension of the Jabba rescue not knowing what Luke’s abilities are when seeing him again for the first time since the events of TESB 3 years ago (4 years in movie time) when he lost badly to Vader.

Technically he is not yet a Jedi though when you remember Luke’s exchange with Yoda later on where Yoda says only after confronting Vader will he truly be a Jedi. Luke also confirms for us that this is the first time he has returned since he left in TESB, intending to complete his training, so your idea for the crawl would clash with this:

Luke: But I need your help. I’ve come back to complete the training.
Yoda: No more training, do you require. Already know you that which you need.
Luke: Then I am a Jedi.
Yoda: [coughs trying to speak] Not yet. One thing remains: Vader. You must…confront…Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi, will you be. And confront him, you will.

Val

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^ that was what was established in the Legends canon , not sure if it has been contradicted yet . it is not stated how much time passes in the films themselves . as an Original Marvel Star Wars fan , I always considered the three years between movies in real time to be the time elapsed . but that is my personal preference.

https://screamsinthevoid.deviantart.com/

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Canon states six months between ESB and ROTJ.

a trolling bantha

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Ah yes, you’re all correct actually. I misread an article listing all BBY/ABY for each movie, re-checking it I can see now it is indeed 1 year between TESB and ROTJ (just based on the BBY):

0 BBY - ANH
3 ABY - TESB
4 ABY - ROTJ

So yeah, 3-4 years is getting a bit into the realm of an unbelievable time frame. Not impossible but definitely hard to believe by our standards even in a fictional universe as it still draws understanding from parallels and familiarity to ours.

In saying that, it’s still never bothered me personally as I never knew till looking at that article what the time lapses / jumps actually were and both sequels in the OT make you feel like a sufficient amount of time has passed to account for what has changed with our characters and the story.

Val