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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED ** — Page 11

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ben_danger said:

I imagine you’ve seen all these already ADY, but others who haven’t been on the forum so long may have not seen them.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B3yF2t_dm8BXUHNrY2wwMHNoa1E?usp=sharing

Years ago a member called SSWR made a bunch of small, yet effective, edit ideas. I didn’t manage to get hold of all of them before he took them offline, but there are some nice small ideas for ROTJ.

As far as ewoks are concerned - I like the idea that they are a thematic tool to take the rebels to the back door, and to act as a lure to the imperial forces.

It was joked around years ago that C3PO should be painted green perhaps - it seems oddly impractical to take a bright gold protocol droid to Endor when you’ve got the rest of the team wearing camouflage.

I loved that heroic montage at the end. Certainly leaves the film open-ended, doesn’t it?

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You may want to read Rinzler’s book about the making of ROTJ, it contradicts what you’re saying.

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sansuni said:

Ewoks … They are absolutely ridiculous and only exist to appeal kids and to sell toys.

Wrong. It’s an urban legend. Absolutely nothing to do with kids and toys.
They only exist because Chewbacca got a main role, therefore they could not be Wookies anymore, as they were in early drafts.
Since it is impossible to replace Ewoks with Wookies, getting rid of Ewoks is getting rid of Star Wars, as they were always part of it, from the very first draft.

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You (or anyone) might also check the early pages of the thread for my eventual fanedit of rotj. I’ve now opted for a more conservative “phantom editor” style approach but in the early days I was considering something far more radical and there’s some interesting discussion on it. Just keep in mind I was like 14 or 15 when I started that that thread 8 years ago so I myself was annoying lol.

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Vader was ordered by the Emperor to make sure that the Death Star is operational, by the time the rebel fleet arrives.
He can’t leave. He must obay his master.
He might send some troups though, if he has any at his disposal mind you, since the legions are stationed on the Endor moon, waiting for the rebels.
Plus the Emperor knows that Skywalker will come to Vader, and he tells this to Vader exactly when he needs to. When Vader’s job is done on the Death Star, and has some time to kill before the rebels arrive.
So logically, Vader is not going anywhere.

I see what you are saying, especially in relation to Vader’s character as presented in ROTJ. However it is clear in ESB that Vader is undermining the Emperor and plans to betray him. (The Emperor informs Vader of there new enemy, who Vader has already been searching for.) I would personally do away with most of the “I must obey my master” type dialogue, I see Vader as a slave to the dark side more than to the Emperor himself. If Luke, Vader and Palpatine all have different intentions it makes for greater drama and tension. As well as this, I like the idea of Vader returning to Tatooine is what was meant to be the final chapter.

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TK42-WAN said:

As well as this, I like the idea of Vader returning to Tatooine is what was meant to be the final chapter.

The last time Vader visits his home planet… yet didn’t free all the slaves. Such a promise breaker. 😉

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Weird as it sounds, what if in this theoretical added scen where Vader goes to an almost empty Jabbas palace, he sees some leftover slaves still chained to the wall and starving. Imagine he turns on his lightsaber and is about to kill them but cuts their chains off instead. Callback to his quote in the prequels and foreshadowing for his turn back to the light.

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NeverarGreat said:

You know how people complained because Vader walked and talked ever so slightly differently in Rogue One?

There is no way anyone’s making a fan film Vader that is better than that.

I definitely see where you’re coming from, but I think if it could be accomplished (Vader should only say “go” angrily), it would be a great way to start the second act.

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TK42-WAN said:

Vader was ordered by the Emperor to make sure that the Death Star is operational, by the time the rebel fleet arrives.
He can’t leave. He must obay his master.
He might send some troups though, if he has any at his disposal mind you, since the legions are stationed on the Endor moon, waiting for the rebels.
Plus the Emperor knows that Skywalker will come to Vader, and he tells this to Vader exactly when he needs to. When Vader’s job is done on the Death Star, and has some time to kill before the rebels arrive.
So logically, Vader is not going anywhere.

I see what you are saying, especially in relation to Vader’s character as presented in ROTJ. However it is clear in ESB that Vader is undermining the Emperor and plans to betray him. (The Emperor informs Vader of there new enemy, who Vader has already been searching for.) I would personally do away with most of the “I must obey my master” type dialogue, I see Vader as a slave to the dark side more than to the Emperor himself. If Luke, Vader and Palpatine all have different intentions it makes for greater drama and tension.

They all have different intentions. It’s just that Vader has to kill the Emperor to do what he wants.
The reason you can’t neglect the “I must obey my master” line, is because it is the most powerful thing that drives Vader.
Right there, when Luke surrenders, he has a chance to make a choice, to do what he wants, to unite with his son, so together they can overthrow the Emperor.
Yet he turns his son over to the Emperor, because he must obey his Master.
Even when Luke tries to kill the Emperor, all he has to do, is not to parry the blow. Easiest thing in the world not to do anything, and let others do the work for me.
Yet he couldn’t even do that, and instead he tried to kill his son.
All because he must obey his Master.

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jimbotron235 said:

Can Madine’s awful glued-on peach fuzz beard be erased? 😄

It’s his Dusty Springfield hairpiece that gets me. It’s geometry is amazing.

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We know Vader wants Luke to join him, but it is evident Luke doesn’t want to. He needs the emporer to help turn Luke to the dark side, then kill the emporer, Vader really doesn’t think there’s any light left in himself. Till the end? Does Luke’s speach about his father before him do the trick? It was only when Luke was getting shocked he betrayed palpy. He thought about it too. That was his chance to kill the emporer. Remove the you were right stuff and remove aniline force ghost, and Vader never goes to the light, might work out well for edits of ep vii and 8.

My fan edit ideas
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-Sith-Revenge-of-the-Jedi-by-marduk666/id/17356

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marduk666 said:

We know Vader wants Luke to join him, but it is evident Luke doesn’t want to. He needs the emporer to help turn Luke to the dark side, then kill the emporer, Vader really doesn’t think there’s any light left in himself. Till the end? Does Luke’s speach about his father before him do the trick? It was only when Luke was getting shocked he betrayed palpy. He thought about it too. That was his chance to kill the emporer.

Interesting, and I was thinkin about it, but I have to quote Threepio:
I just really don’t know how.
I can’t put the whole thing together. I don’t know what outcome Vader expects when he turns Luke over, because he must know if he lets the Emperor run the show, than the possible outcomes are not in his favor at all.

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Jani-wan said:

marduk666 said:

We know Vader wants Luke to join him, but it is evident Luke doesn’t want to. He needs the emporer to help turn Luke to the dark side, then kill the emporer, Vader really doesn’t think there’s any light left in himself. Till the end? Does Luke’s speach about his father before him do the trick? It was only when Luke was getting shocked he betrayed palpy. He thought about it too. That was his chance to kill the emporer.

Interesting, and I was thinkin about it, but I have to quote Threepio:
I just really don’t know how.
I can’t put the whole thing together. I don’t know what outcome Vader expects when he turns Luke over, because he must know if he lets the Emperor run the show, than the possible outcomes are not in his favor at all.

I am sure Vader is not sure too. When on Endor, after Luke refuses to join and is led off by the troopers, you can tell Vader was thinking things over. That could have been the beginning of the conflict, maybe second guessing his decision(s). There could be time for him to choose what to do when he brought Luke to the emperor. It wasn’t until the VERY end when he made his choice, which had to be a QUICK decision. Save Luke or not.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Am in love with ESB:R, so trust that whatever Ady has planned is the right thing!

One thing I’m curious about is if the debut of TFA will have any impact. For instance, the initial idea in ROTJ was for Luke to just walk off and disappear, which Kasdan essentially revisited (pardon the pun) in TFA.

I saw the youtube clip of Vader storming the Temple, Ady - don’t know if you remember but I posted a very similar concept ages ago on your facebook page - really sorry we won’t see that finished, maybe someone else will take up the mantle with you as Exec Producer 😉 😉 (I joke! Can understand the reasons why. If I had the ability my running order would be a sagafied Rogue One as Episode 3 and Revenge of the Sith becoming Episode 2, which would cut down the amount of work needed given Rogue One doesn’t need much to sagafy it)

Anyway back to ROTJ - one of the tiny little things I’d like to see in ROTJ is Rebel Fleet Troopers added to the conference scene. It’s always annoyed me that they disappear after ANH (especially now being so prominent in Rogue One too).

Also, in regards the ground battle on Endor, where did the AT-AT that Luke is transported in disappear to? Would love to see it making an appearance.

In terms of ships at Endor, some Imperial Class-1s would be nice (from Rogue One and ANH), but also the light cruisers from Rebels:

http://starwarsrebels.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Light_Cruiser

I would LOVE Jerjerrod’s deleted scenes reinstated, are there NO better source materials out there that have these? Pweeeeeaaaaasseee 😉

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I have 3 videos for your viewing pleasure and hopefully, it serves as ideas. As I have mentioned in previous post, I am a firm believer that Boba does not really serve any purpose in the film. So my first video is the sarlacc battle.
https://vimeo.com/232895071

The second video is trying to make Vader seem like less of a lap dog to the emperor by removing the constant “my master”. Additionally some of the exchange Vader has with the emperor regarding Luke feels a bit repetitive so i shortened the dialog between them.
https://vimeo.com/232896122

Last video is when Vader suspects Luke and the rebels to be on the shuttle. I felt it would be stronger if he just gave the admiral a glance which then quick-cuts to Han. It would kind of raise the tension of them getting caught.
https://vimeo.com/232898508

what are your thoughts?

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JARUS5 said:

I have 3 videos for your viewing pleasure and hopefully, it serves as ideas. As I have mentioned in previous post, I am a firm believer that Boba does not really serve any purpose in the film. So my first video is the sarlacc battle.
https://vimeo.com/232895071

The second video is trying to make Vader seem like less of a lap dog to the emperor by removing the constant “my master”. Additionally some of the exchange Vader has with the emperor regarding Luke feels a bit repetitive so i shortened the dialog between them.
https://vimeo.com/232896122

Last video is when Vader suspects Luke and the rebels to be on the shuttle. I felt it would be stronger if he just gave the admiral a glance which then quick-cuts to Han. It would kind of raise the tension of them getting caught.
https://vimeo.com/232898508

what are your thoughts?

I like them!

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JARUS5 said:

I have 3 videos for your viewing pleasure and hopefully, it serves as ideas. As I have mentioned in previous post, I am a firm believer that Boba does not really serve any purpose in the film. So my first video is the sarlacc battle.
https://vimeo.com/232895071

The second video is trying to make Vader seem like less of a lap dog to the emperor by removing the constant “my master”. Additionally some of the exchange Vader has with the emperor regarding Luke feels a bit repetitive so i shortened the dialog between them.
https://vimeo.com/232896122

Last video is when Vader suspects Luke and the rebels to be on the shuttle. I felt it would be stronger if he just gave the admiral a glance which then quick-cuts to Han. It would kind of raise the tension of them getting caught.
https://vimeo.com/232898508

what are your thoughts?

I think that the first two videos are very effective! I was particularly surprised how little Boba Fett is missed, though I don’t know how difficult it would be to fully edit the first one with all of the required audio.

I really feel that your second edit does strengthen Vader… nicely done!

I can’t say that I feel that the third edit is quite as convincing. While I feel that it does up the tension, I also feel that it doesn’t conclude as organically, so it doesn’t feel like a complete scene. Great attempts!

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As you can see a few pages ago, I already gave Adywan my suggestion that I didn’t like Vader’s constant repetition of “my master,” and even though he responded to my three other requests, he didn’t say anything about that one.

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I don’t get the complaints about Vader being forced to call Palpatine his master at all times. He’s been beat down for 25 years at this point from a man who literally gave him his life back. Of course he’s going to kiss up to him.

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doubleofive said:

I don’t get the complaints about Vader being forced to call Palpatine his master at all times. He’s been beat down for 25 years at this point from a man who literally gave him his life back. Of course he’s going to kiss up to him.

it doesn’t seem that way in ESB as he was plotting against him

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And we don’t know what kind of punishment he got between movies for thinking like that.

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How would Palpatine know what Vader said to Luke at Cloud City? He might sense a change in Vader post Bespin, but not necessarily a I want to kill you and rule the galaxy with my kid vibe.
We also don’t know if Vader and Palpatine have even been in the same room between films. ROTJ strongly suggests Vader has just been ordered away from his pursuit of Luke to speed up the DS construction.

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The no boba fett flowed pretty darn well. I am curious how the audio could be altered to flow well with those scenes. Anyway to prevent the silly demise is good to me!

The second video worked good too without so many “my master” sayings. It does help Vader not be such a lapdog. But, to play devils advocate, would Vader need to speak that way to either keep his ideal plan to over throw the emperor secretly and appear everything is normal? All is good master?

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I’ve long been a proponent of removing Fett from ROTJ entirely, but I have to say I like the idea of Fett informing Vader about Luke’s presence at Jabba’s palace. If that could be worked out convincingly, I’d be happy.

But if not, I’m still all for axing Fett from ROTJ.

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Too bad the footage from the old Star Wars Interactive Video Board Game only exists in VHS quality, as there’s plenty of shots of Vader at a communications console. He could probably take the call from Fett while in his pod though.

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