adywan said:
well first, the executor interior problems. Well its not just a few shots that are messed up but pretty much all the bridge scenes. As you can see from the pic below, the bridge is nowhere near the control room and is in fact up the stairs, so the final shot of vader walking down the stairs is correct
So you can see that the first interior shots of the Executor when they receive the probot transmission, Vader should really be coming from up the hallway and not appear suddenly as if he just walked out of shot. as if the bridge is just out of shot. then, later on when they are pursuing the Falcon from cloud city the shots of Piette in the control room are totally out of place. I'm tackling this now by changing a couple of shots to not only fix this, but also the problems with Piette suddenly on the other side of the bridge. Also i have fixed the problem of vader being at the side window one minute and looking out of the front window the next. I have added a couple of brief shots of Vader walking down towards the front window.
Impressive....most impressive.....
Adywan, you are several steps ahead of things as usual. Wonderful work on the new Vader shot above! That is more than I could have hoped for yet again....
But I'd also like to speculate on a couple of things on this (Which I just know is gonna end up a little complicated to follow again! Anyway, here goes, and pardon my prose) -
Firstly, I'm guessing that since there is a tiny Falcon in one of the windows in your shot above (I'll get back to you shortly on this vaderios), that this shot is going to replace the one where Vader's got his back to us, as he stands looking out of the window at the current tiny Falcon that seem to travel 'downwards to the right' (this was the problematic shot that I previously suggested should be the front big window, rather than a 'side' one). If this is the case, then I'm very pleased that it will now look as if Vader has moved directly to this 'position' at that point, since we last saw him a minute or so earlier in the 'alcove' section with Piett....as that's the way I always thought it would work best.
However, I really like that 'close-up' shot of Vader 'from the back' as he looks out....so I'm hoping that rather than removing it totally....that you are instead planning to use part of it, to replace EITHER of the slightly shorter FIRST or SECOND 'close-up' frontal' shots of Vader's mask that come next, as we hear the words "Luke", then "Son, come with me". The current neat shot of him looking out (with the tiny Falcon amended of course) would definately work very nicely at either one of these points....especially since we are just currently seeing exactly the same kind of 'close-up' frontal shots close together anyway.
I reckon this new order of shots will look fantastic with your latest one, if you just lose one of these similar 'frontal' shots, rather than lose the Vader 'from the back' shot....
That's if I correctly judged where your new shot is going, of course!
And about the 'Bridge' area shot at the top: please don't 'Force choke' me Ady, but here's a couple of things to consider on that, if you will (and you'll need to use the 'pause' button to look at these!) -
Although that is a 'behind the scenes' photo of course, it seems that during our first look at this area in the movie (when we see Admiral Ozzel coming towards us, and then being called over by Captain Piett)....that the inside of the the area that is indicated as being the 'Bridge' (just beyond the 'steps') by your arrow, actually seems to have a totally different 'interior' look to the one seen in the photo above....but more importantly, ALSO looks different to what the overall inside of the actual 'Bridge' should actually look like....
If you check it out, you can see that there is some kind of different structure and lights in the movie 'interior' there.
Because of this, I personally always looked on that area as NOT being meant to be the 'Bridge' in the movie, but rather a different area with 'steps' leading up to it, altogether. That is why I think it is seems fine for Admiral Ozzel to be 'heading' towards the actual 'Bridge'(which we don't see yet) somewhere just before it in this 'mid-section', to join Vader there, just as Captain Piett calls to him. (Take note of the round 'black and white' structure on the floor of the section directly opposite where Captain Piett is, as I'll come back to it....)
Anyway, this 'mid-section' area....which is somewhere between the 'steps' leading up to the 'Bridge', and the other area with 'steps', is ALSO clearly seen during the scene where Vader is talking to the 'holograms' (note that you can more clearly see the 'interior' of the other area with 'steps' in the distance here, before Vader heads round towards his 'Chamber' to contact the 'Emperor'....and that when Vader talks to the 2 remaining 'holograms' nearest to our viewpoint, that the area behind him still isn't quite at the point where the 'steps' of the 'Bridge' could be, yet), and well as during the scene where Vader is 'Force choking' Captain Needa....and is also seen in ANOTHER scene that I'm going to come back to....
Also, when when we see the 'close-up' shot of the bottom of Vader's cloak as he goes to exit off where I consider the 'Bridge' to be (towards it's 'steps' presumably, although the previous long-shot has a flat floor!), I personally don't worry about the sudden cut to Vader beside Ozzel and Piett, as I've always looked on it as just one of those 'slight jump ahead' cuts....to get him to beside them in the mid-section' area straight away in the action. It's just that he happens to come round past another crewmember beside them.
It's something similar to the instance I mentioned a while back, about the 'slight jump ahead' cut involving the 'Lando walking through the city towards Vader' shots....where the the group goes from 'real-time' walking, to suddenly being in a different area to 'shorten' their journey onscreen....before going back to 'real-time shots as they head nearer to the awaiting Vader and Boba Fett....
Anyway, going back to that OTHER shot of 'positioning' for this same 'mid-section' area I mentioned -
It seems that you can make out the round 'black and white' structure on the floor, in the distance behind Vader and Piett, just after Vader 'steps down' (from what looks like the narrower 'Bridge' entrance 'set') from the 'Bridge'after ordering "NO disintegrations" to Boba Fett. This is a clearer look at the the inbetween 'mid-section' that we don't quite see when Vader 'steps down' off the 'Bridge' at the end of the movie. (Unless it's yet another confusingly-different section of the ship altogether!....)
See what you think.
I see you agreed about the 'hull' thing then. ;)
