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Shadowman99 said:

doubleofive said:

doubleofive said:

 

That's what I'm saying!  Obi-Wan is tiny!  I've always found his close-ups funny in this scene because I'm imagining them zooming in on a tiny Alec Guiness!

After thinking about it, I'm guessing they had him tiny so that they could have this shot:

which is cool, but weird if Obi-Wan is standing 15 feet behind Yoda and impossible if Obi-Wan is just made larger.

 

Alright, back to mini-Obi-Wan for a second.  I think this shot could work if we go for the "Obi-Wan is standing really far away from everyone".  Yoda would have to be out of focus while Obi-Wan is talking, then as he is vanishing Yoda would come into focus, rack focus style.  If focuspuller on the boards is really a focus puller, he could tell us more about it.

I can't think of any OT FX shots that used rack focus or DOF. I'm not sure they could have done it with the technology of the time.

I always thought Obi Wan was standing away from Yoda and this was a perspective thing. The branch is the one shot screws it up, but like the tiny TIE in Jedi it's a mistake in the layer order. I hope Adywan includes a fix.

 What is wrong with this scene? Because one or both should be out of focus? Just because something is not technically correct, doesn't mean it isn't romantically correct.

adywan said:

I don't think that the lightsaber duel between Dooku & Yoda worked though. I think we shouldn't have seen him use a lightsaber until ROTS. I love the part when the troopers approach him from behind and he cuts them down on kashyyyk. Can you imagine how powerful that scene would have been if that was the first time we saw Yoda use a lightsabre? Very true Ady.

 

I do like the PT but they just don't stand up to the OT. I think all of us here agree on this.

 

When it came to the 2004 DVD set i hated the new additions along with the horrible colouring of course. I never minded a lot of the SE additions but only things that didn't change characters or story. Greedo shooting first in the SE, the Rontos slapstick & walking in front of the camera in mos eisley, the new Emperors dialogue in 2004, The shuttle scenes at the end of ESB and in Jedi the addition of "Jedi Rocks" in '97, Hayden & the "weesa free" line in 2004. I agree with Greedo, the rontos, the shuttle scene, Jedi rock and "wessa free", but I didn't mind the new EMperor dialogue, and what's wrong with Hayden in RotJ? Why would so many people rather see Sabastian Shaw instead of the yound Anakin we all remember? After seeing him as a child, falling in love, growing up as an excellent Jedi and witnessing his disgrace, seeing him again after being redeemed 3 movies later is so much more dramatic IMO that having some old guy we never saw before.

 

The whole conversation about the twins mother in ROTJ with Leia remembering her mother is one thing that I'll be fixing in the PT. I know exactly how i will be doing that but you'll have to wait a few years to find out. I can't wait, when I read the first spoilers about Padmé's death in RotS I thought they were fake given how senseless it was.

i know its off topic, but in regards to the ROTJ hayden, i prefer the sebastian shaw as it portrays old anakin, BUT i see the point about the link between the sagas. as its only a tiny clip, it would be awesome if ady could merge them together into a haybastian chraw. or somehow have shaws head on anakins clothes from 3. (ill just slot it in, but id also like to see the ghosts of the other jedi watching aswell, regardless of the special ghosting ability that qui gon invented etc etc.)

i was thinking of the way the OT has aged slightly, especially ANH, as it feels ever so slightly 70s, even with the great work done in ANHR, but i think thats what gives it charm over the OT.

now what if one retrofied the PT to look like films made in the 1950s? and TPM to look like a 40s film? i think thats how ROTS worked so well in a way on  design level as it was very retro in regards to a few subtle details, like obi wan hairstyle and the coruscant buildings.

would the yoda perspective thing be helped if yoda was stood slightly in front of obi wan?

I really like the idea of seeing Palpatine grinning at his desk in Coruscant after the Hologram sequence. Can it be done?

I've had a look at GM's first edit of the Vader-Emperor convo and didn't think it was a bad compromise. I can see why there's a question over Vader repeating 'but he's just a boy' when the Emperor has already said he's a boy, but you could interpret that as Vader trying to come to terms with the fact that Luke would be as big a threat as the Emperor is implying. The interruption works well, but as said, the musical ending to the first edit was a little overpowering. However, having seen the second edit, it now seems that there is something a little lacking when he bows his head, as if there should be something to end the scene. Didn't the original one have a drum timpani ending to the scene (like a dum-dum type thing)?

On the subject of the Emperor, I'd like to see him clouded in a little more darkness. It's all very well seeing him, but I preferred the Emperor to be a little more mysterious. The 2004 additions were almost an exclamation of ILM saying 'Look what we've done!' (along with a lot of the additions they made).

I think the problem with that is really that his black leather ROTS garb looks to dark and evil and out of place on an old guy. My opinion is just to make a version with Hayden and one with Shaw. As someone who grew up with the Prequels and SEs and saw them in order 1-6, having Hayden at the end of Jedi was really powerful for me and gave a sense of finality to the saga. However, I completely understand that someone who grew up with the OT would feel the exact opposite way.

Also in regards to the hologram conversation. I think, as it is, The tension between Vader and the Emperor is not apparent enough. Vader wants to join Luke and overthrow the Emperor while Palps is tired of having a Nerfed cybernetic apprentice who needs life support to breathe and sees Luke as an oppurtunity to have a pre-Vader Anakin. the scene should not show complaince but uneasiness. The new version tried to fix that but failed miserably. I'm working on a not so great Internet connection so I haven't been able to download any of GM's versions yet but they sound good.

astromech said:

I've had a look at GM's first edit of the Vader-Emperor convo and didn't think it was a bad compromise. I can see why there's a question over Vader repeating 'but he's just a boy' when the Emperor has already said he's a boy, but you could interpret that as Vader trying to come to terms with the fact that Luke would be as big a threat as the Emperor is implying. The interruption works well, but as said, the musical ending to the first edit was a little overpowering. However, having seen the second edit, it now seems that there is something a little lacking when he bows his head, as if there should be something to end the scene. Didn't the original one have a drum timpani ending to the scene (like a dum-dum type thing)?

On the subject of the Emperor, I'd like to see him clouded in a little more darkness. It's all very well seeing him, but I preferred the Emperor to be a little more mysterious. The 2004 additions were almost an exclamation of ILM saying 'Look what we've done!' (along with a lot of the additions they made).

 

 Your second concern was already fixed in the DVD9 trailer. Look a few pages back.

GoodMusician said:

So I went back to your edit of the converastion Ady, added in my slight touch, but I've tried layering it with a quiter version of the Emperors Theme to facilitate the fading back into the origianl music at the end.

 

New Edit

 

Hi, it has been a long time since I posted, and back then I was Bomma (I can't log on with that name anymore for some reason) Ane'huw, I love the pause I think it adds a great bit of tension to Vader and the Emperor’s relationship which heightens the drama, I was thinking about the musical transition, there is quite a bit of Emperor’s music that is used for transitions during ROTJ, I especially like the theme when Luke is getting force lightning just before the Emperor says "Now young Skywalker, you will die", if you could transition to that music before the scene changes I think it might work.  GoodMusician, could you give it a try? 

Also you have been looking for a second Yes, during the conversation.  The emperor says "GOOD, good" after Luke is knocked off of the top railing by Vader in ROTJ when he throws his saber, maybe you could use the second good there, like "Yes, good, can it be done"  Just a thought.  Anyway keep up the good work guys.

Maybe tiny Obi-Wan's voice can be pitched up, so he sounds like an itty bitty jedi. Who represents the lolipop guild.

Are you guys talking about the focus on the foreground then sharp focus on the background (while the foreground blurs) as the "rack effect"?

Because we see that in the scene where C3PO looks over (during the saber duel) and says "c'mon Artoo, we're going").

Why is Vader's closeup shot flipped on the SE version?

The Oompa Loompa Kemobi debate and various permutations of the Emperor's hologram seem well covered, so i thought I would add a couple of ideas.

A couple of things I considered mocking up, thought I would get some reaction first:

* The Executor and her fleet would most certainly be visible from the ground, as DS II was in Jedi. It would be cool to see them from the POV of a ground pounder.

* Every time a transport launched it had x-wings escorting it. It always seemed to me the X-wings might have shot at targets of opportunity (read AT-ATs) as they left the rebel base. This would be another way to expand the scope of the Hoth battle. it would require a new sequence, and maybe some 3d model work, but it would be amazing to see Red flight put torpedos into an AT-AT.

Ziz said:

 

Not if they're heading away from the battle. Why go toward an already dangerous situation if you're trying to make a hasty escape?

A very good argument, but I don't know if the audence at large would think of it while they're going "f--- yeah!". We only see two walkers bite it in Empire, and while the snowspeeders are doing their best trying to trip these mosters it would be pretty cool to see an X-wing make a surprise appearance and blow the crap out of an AT-AT

Adywan wants to make the Battle of Hoth bigger, so I'm just trying to think of something beyond "more walkers".

At the end of the day it's always his edit, and my ideas are a take it or leave it thing.