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Octorox said:

ummm....Maybe it's because the metal is gray? I don't see why it would be blue, honestly? Have you ever thought the color of the metal is gray and the light is neutral toned? It's not necessarily fluorescent light, honestly if the scene is perfectly white balanced the metal SHOULD be gray. I find blue metal for more strange.

You're right that the colours on the DVD are awful, but unless everything in a space is neutrally coloured, and the lights are all identical, nothing will be perfectly grey. Light bounces around all the over the place (moon landing deniers, I'm talking to you! ;) ) It's often an incredibly subtle effect, but when it's gone your brain knows - there's something about that pic that just makes me squint.

Edit: Radiosity! That's the word I'm looking for:

DE

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Exactly, DE.  Light and color reflects off just about everything and imparts its characteristics on the surroundings.  Of course, this is all dependent on ambient light, direct illumination, type and color of illumination, and the subject's proximity to the object reflecting the subject.  This is easy to see if you are wearing something brightly colored (red, neon, etc.).  Put your arm close to a "non-reflective" surface like a wall or table and the closer you get, the more color is reflected back.

Now, as far as Ady's edits go, there is a mono-chromatic element to some of the DS interior shots, but it is still a vast improvement on the nasty blues of the DVD release.  And unless characters are running around in neon shirts, or the Emperor laid down some red carpeting or some mood lighting, there wouldn't be a huge impact on the surroundings anyway.  Of course there would be some color mixed in, but considering the source material and the time involved to impart more "color" just to the surroundings, I'm fairly happy as is....

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Darth Editous said:

Octorox said:

ummm....Maybe it's because the metal is gray? I don't see why it would be blue, honestly? Have you ever thought the color of the metal is gray and the light is neutral toned? It's not necessarily fluorescent light, honestly if the scene is perfectly white balanced the metal SHOULD be gray. I find blue metal for more strange.

You're right that the colours on the DVD are awful, but unless everything in a space is neutrally coloured, and the lights are all identical, nothing will be perfectly grey. Light bounces around all the over the place (moon landing deniers, I'm talking to you! ;) ) It's often an incredibly subtle effect, but when it's gone your brain knows - there's something about that pic that just makes me squint.

Edit: Radiosity! That's the word I'm looking for:

DE

I agree, but if space is black, the ships are gray, the lights are white, the floors are gray, the walls are gray then what colors are reflecting? In your picture it was the red floor was reflecting light. And even so, Ady's versions are not perfectly gray, they are slightly blue, because starlight is blueish.

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ron2112 said:

...the walls in this shot appear to have been made out of some special substance that cancels out all color information in any light it reflects.  That would be a neat trick.  I doubt one could come close to reproducing this effect in the real world.

I totally see where you're coming from, but assuming such a metal exists in the Star Wars universe, wouldn't it be completely in the Empire's character to use it in their ships, especially the DS? I just love that it seems to suck the colour and life out of everything (especially with stormtroopers in black and white armor, grey uniforms on most officers, and Vader's black suit), just exactly what the Empire's doing to the life and vibrancy in the universe. (Admittedly, the one red room in the DS kinda throws a monkey wrench into this way of thinking...)

I know I'm only one man and several people disliked the monochromatic look to the DS in ANH:R, but I personally found it really interesting and appealing both visually and symbolically. The Empire is in the business of snuffing out life, which is the whole idea behind a Death Star, and the ship's very colouring seems to reflect this (if you'll pardon the pun). Luke & co. are a small corner of colour in a lifeless and colourless world on this diabolical machine; it just kinda enhances the feeling that something about this space station is inherently wrong and unnatural.

Plus, after the blue metal travesty of the 2004 DVDs, I just found something a little greyer absolutely delightful.

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Ric Olie said:

ron2112 said:

The rebels have disappeared!

Thank you for once again gracing us with such a poignant, insightful, and thoughtful observation :)

Glad to hear things are looking up for you Ady... I hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas.

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I think the most important question is how time consuming and difficult the effect of the little bit of color bouncing off the walls would be to recreate, and whether or not it would be worth it for such a slight effect.

If it's easy and not too straining, that would be a welcome addition; however, if it's too much of a pain then I wouldn't miss it if it's not there.

And Ric, I'm counting on you to let us know when those rebels reappear.

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Ric Olie said:

ron2112 said:

The rebels have disappeared!

 

Ric is right. I think the reason we can't see the rebels is because those black squares are blocking our view of them!

 

Glad to hear the hopeful news Ady!

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Tell me about it, Savage. I was driving home from work yesterday and wondered why my steering wheel was suddenly glowing orange... then I realised I was still wearing my safety vest.

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TFU week!

Straight from TFU art dep.

I hope can give ideas.

 

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I agree, but if space is black, the ships are gray, the lights are white.

Depends and its not absolute. In a general rule we cant have dead blacks or dead whites. the highlights in space can have a yelow orange hue (2-5%) because of the nearby solar system. Wondering why in OT we never see one :P

 

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Bobocop said:

And Ric, I'm counting on you to let us know when those rebels reappear.

The rebels are back!

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You catch on pretty quick.

 

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Darth Editous said:You're right that the colours on the DVD are awful, but unless everything in a space is neutrally coloured, and the lights are all identical, nothing will be perfectly grey. Light bounces around all the over the place (moon landing deniers, I'm talking to you! ;) ) It's often an incredibly subtle effect, but when it's gone your brain knows - there's something about that pic that just makes me squint.

 I'm going to agree with DE on this one. If SW:R had a technical flaw, it's the "Sky Captain" effect with the perfectly monochrome backgrounds.

On the otherhand, it's a very minor quibble, doesn't happen often, and IMHO only noticeable when you're looking at the backgrounds, which in a movie like Star Wars, isn't very often. I'd much rather have it than the "Underworld" style ultra-blue tint.

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Howdy,

 

Being a new guy to this thread I hope I don't blasted too hard but,

 

After going through this exhaustive thread I didn't see anything regarding the 3/4 scale mock up of the falcon built for the hoth (and possibly some bespin scenes).  It is a wonderful exterior, but I thought I remember hearing or reading it was built 3/4 scale to accomodate the studio it was filmed in.

My question then is will you be re-scaling (if even at all possible) to more correctly match the proportions as seen lets say in the hanger of the DS in ANH.

 http://web.archive.org/web/20030201095342/www.synicon.com.au/sw/mf/shots.htm

 

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I don't know if its possible, or if its as simple as "moving" the far wall of the hoth hanger back to allow for an increase of size, but I thought I'd mention it.

 

 

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Deadmeat, we did have a discussion about this recently, but it would be impossible for Adywan to scale up the ship as they are crawling all over it the entire time its on screen.  There is a plan to build a new hanger with a new highly-detailed model Falcon, but Ady has never really specified which shots were going to be fixed by that and I'm thinking it might be scrapped because it will take forever to build and detail this crazy model he found.

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I saw the message from the facebook ESB:R group- is there any truth to the statement about people helping you to film new Hoth stuff? If so, cool.

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Siliconmaster482 said:

I saw the message from the facebook ESB:R group- is there any truth to the statement about people helping you to film new Hoth stuff? If so, cool.

There's a discussion on the boards there about it.  Yes, apparently some people are making outfits and are going to run around in the snow for some long shots!  Specifically for Luke getting up as the walker he blows up is falling, but it sounds like more may be done while they're out there.

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vaderios said:

Ady: is this fixed?

yes, all the stardestroyer engines will be blue

vaderios said:

Ady: did you fix the lights that are lit in one shot and in the other are off again?

 

yes, thats been fixed too

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When the troops are ready to carry Needa's body the shot gets a weird darkening like vintage in several frames. Will this consider an error?

Not sure if two frames can tell the difference.

 

yeh, thats a  strange lighting change but there isn't anything i can do about that

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I like both of your ideas Monroville!

Not sure either but maybe some slight clouds in that scene like we see in previous ones?

-Angel

While it would be nice to add clouds to the exterior, there just isn't a tracking point that can be used to add the sky. It may just look like a simple camera pan shot but trust me, it's not , i've tried

vaderios said:

Ady any ideas replacing the same footage?

Wrong uniforms vs Flipped shots

-Angel

I may be eliminating that shot

AuggieBenDoggie said:

No, he completed the shot with somebody else I imagine. Like I said earlier, I could not get/find a X-wing model that matched the studio version used in ESB. My render was done back in feburary I think, and Ady hasn't kept in touch with me about it since. Anyway, I'm not worried about it. Ady does a fantastic job with or without my help. Once I get my desktop going again in a few months I will post the full animation I worked on. The animation does look a whole lot better than the still pic.

I did contact you but heard no reply. I guess my message got lost somewhere. Anyway, the guy who i'm working with on the CG had a good model of the X-wing so that shot is complete now. Thanks for offering to help me out though.

Ripplin said:

I was watching some jaw-dropping explosions on the series "Destroyed in Seconds" yesterday and it got me thinking about the power generator scene and how Adywan wants to replace that explosion. Any progress there, Ady?

I won't be starting that scene until the new year now, along with all the other model shots

Monroville said:

I still wished Ady would add more vehicles.. even if it was more Scout Walkers just to show that the Empire has an actual army.  Even if there still has to be only 5 AT-ATs, to see a good 12 AT-STs around them would be impressive.

The problem with that is getting a CG model of an ESB AT-ST to match the look and feel of the stop-motion AT-At's. Plus there are so many shots where the At-St's need to be seen that it would be an enormous amount of work. There are also shots that aren't static that matching the camera motion would be really hard. As i have mentioned before, i will most likely just be removing the At-St's from the only 2 shots we see them

Deadmeat said:

After going through this exhaustive thread I didn't see anything regarding the 3/4 scale mock up of the falcon built for the hoth (and possibly some bespin scenes).  It is a wonderful exterior, but I thought I remember hearing or reading it was built 3/4 scale to accomodate the studio it was filmed in.

My question then is will you be re-scaling (if even at all possible) to more correctly match the proportions as seen lets say in the hanger of the DS in ANH.

Welcome, Deadmeat. No, i won't be correcting the scale of the studio set Falcon. There are too many things happening on and around the Falcon during the scenes where the full size set piece is seen that i won't be attempting it.

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i say just a thought to improve visual and de retroize the noise look (it has been mentioned before) is to take the exposure/light concept that we see in ROTS

and fit it to ESB only is several frames long.

i said again its an idea.

I actually like the way there is the static on the monitors in the OT. Everything seemed so clean and new in the PT that nothing seemed to have any form of character and it all became the same sort of visuals you see in every SCI-FI movie, and that just bores me. The retro look always helped the OT visually look like it was somehow had the feeling that this was set a long time ago....

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I must say that, despite color correction and enhancement efforts, how well do they really work?  On VLC Media Player, if you boost the Contrast a LITTLE BIT, and the Saturation a LOT, the lack of color in the original file becomes clear.  Here's some stills from Adywan's own ANH Revisited to show just how much better still the color could be.  The top is the original, the bottom with the effects on:

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I'm sorry, but those pictures are so oversaturated they look horrible.

I can't believe that the so called "pleasantville" look of the DS in ANH is being brought up again. It was a creative decision i made and not an attempt at colour correction. I wanted the Death Star to have that warship feel (plus the DS in ROTJ has grey interiors and not blue) with grey walls. If you have seen my AVCHD of ANH you can see the real colour correction i did for the DS interiors where the walls are still blue as they were in the original, but not the oversaturated colour they are in the 2004 transfers. Because of the horrible colouring of those transfers, the blue tint has eliminated any of the subtle colour tints anyway. Everything bis either blue or cyan. If i had a good quality copy of the original pre-SE transfers to work with i would have been able to eliminate the blue while keeping the subtle tints, but i didn't so i couldn't

Sevb32 said:

Here's a proposal/idea, and before you get combative, hear it out, think it through. How about a donation drive to Ady to get what he has finished of ESB:Revisited released by Christmas or by the end of January? Maybe he can finish all the easier effects touch ups if any left, leaving out the new model Wampa and the few other models he wants to build, the donations from this will help fund building and finishing and those for the v 2.0 to be released later in 2010.

Again....

Lets say set a goal at 400 usd dollars/ (243 pounds.) maybe even 500 dollars (304 pounds) he then can release a Version 1.0 by late January, perhaps slightly sooner, and then from these donations he gets more funding to finish all his models and release a version 2.0 later next year. These donation goal amounts are just an example, they can be higher or lower, of course. It's not much different than donations for cameos proposal or a lottery for workprints. Think about it. If agreed to I'll donate at least 50 bucks, you have my word. But whatever goal to is set, he must get that amount to be able to release v 1.0 earlier than if we had to wait months for all the models to be done. This is a way to get the donations rolling in. Build enthusiasm too!

 

Edit: and yes vaderios, more people seeing v 1.0 will give him even more feedback.

I'm sorry, but this will never happen. There is no way i would want to release an unfinished version of ESB:R. Which is why i only ever sent out 1 copy of the workprint.

Yes, i am still desperate for donations as there is still a lot of things left to get. I don't have an actual figure but, as i have said before, once i have enough to finish it i will not accept any more donations. While i will not be offering to release an unfinished version of ESB:R i will offer this: For everyone that donated for the cameo draw, and everyone that donates between now and December 31st i will release a brand new clip. It will be the entire escape from Hoth/ Asteroid scene up until Luke approaches Dagobah. Although it won't have the new asteroid canyon (because with everything that has been going on i just haven't had the time to be able to finish the canyon and have a free day to assemble it and film it), almost all the other shots will be complete and as it will be seen when the movie is released. And although i have released clips from this scene before, you will see that most of the shots you have seen already have been thrown out and replaced with new FX shots. Then i will send a download link to the clip to everyone on Jan 1st. I really want to crack on with everything after Xmas

This is the best i can offer i'm afraid. I've included everyone that donated for the cameo draw because its looking less likely that i will be able to add anyone convincingly into the film.

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adywan said:

 i will most likely just be removing the At-St's from the only 2 shots we see them

I'm gonna throw my $0.02 here and say I think this is a bad idea.  I like the AT-STs on Hoth, and if adding more isn't possible, I would rather see this stay exactly as it has been since 1980.

That's just my opinion, though (obviously).

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I agree with removing the AT-STs. They look too tall in ESB in the one scene where we see them.

You (might be able to) notice that the AT-ST is walking at about the AT-AT's knee level. How? A hill/ridge? I find that unlikely. All the shots prior to this show a flat snow-scape.

 

I've included everyone that donated for the cameo draw because its looking less likely that i will be able to add anyone convincingly into the film.

 

This is disappointing, but not entirely surprising. Just out of curiosity, which scenes were you considering adding them to?

 

 

adywan said:

 i will offer this: For everyone that donated for the cameo draw, and everyone that donates between now and December 31st i will release a brand new clip. It will be the entire escape from Hoth/ Asteroid scene up until Luke approaches Dagobah. Although it won't have the new asteroid canyon (because with everything that has been going on i just haven't had the time to be able to finish the canyon and have a free day to assemble it and film it), almost all the other shots will be complete and as it will be seen when the movie is released. And although i have released clips from this scene before, you will see that most of the shots you have seen already have been thrown out and replaced with new FX shots. Then i will send a download link to the clip to everyone on Jan 1st. I really want to crack on with everything after Xmas

 

I'll be donating. This is too good to pass up, even for a poor college student. 

 

I'm glad you won't release a work print. It should be released when it's done (not a moment before). 

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oh well, i can't afford a donation with college and all.

wouldn't someone just go and upload it on youtube ady? i mean, what's preventing them from doing that?

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rcb said:

 

wouldn't someone just go and upload it on youtube ady? i mean, what's preventing them from doing that?

 

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"adywan" said:

I did contact you but heard no reply. I guess my message got lost somewhere. Anyway, the guy who I'm working with on the CG had a good model of the X-wing so that shot is complete now. Thanks for offering to help me out though.

Most welcome ADY, glad you got it finnished!

About your last message, sorry It must have gotten lost or something. I usually get an email alert from PM's here. I checked the PM box and there wasn't anything new.  I had a pretty good idea you already had somebody else on it after I had the problems with the file you sent me, and then my desktop went "Ka-put" soon after that.  My new desktop has a true quadcore AMD processor and 8 gig's of ram although capable of 16 gig's. Still don't have everything yet. I'm still waiting for a good GFX card and monitor that I don't have $$$ for until feb or march of next year.

Anyway, maybe I can help out with ROTJ:Revisited when your ready for the VFX.

Also glad to hear about your mother doing better, hope she makes a full recovery!

 

 

 

 

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yes, all the stardestroyer engines will be blue

yes, thats been fixed too

Great news

I may be eliminating that shot

Not so great news.

Anyways thanks for the updates ady :)

 

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