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Amras Felagund said:

shanerjedi said:

AOTC should be made to be more like ESB, not the other way around.

Absolutely! That is exactly what it sounds like Ady will do for AOTCR. And I absolutely agree with that particular sentiment.

Please, Ep2R.  I very sincerely doubt the prequels will be keeping their names.  And AOTCR is a mouthful, no?

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ImperialFighter said:

corellian77 said:

Here's a sample clip of how the scene with Yoda, just before Luke enters the tree, could be re-edited so as to allow Yoda more time to move from the ground to the fallen tree stump.

It's pretty rough, but it conveys the general idea.  My apologies for the screwed-up aspect ratio as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXExUBSalk

 

Of course!!  That's terrific corellian77, and I think that's a great solution....which actually adds a little 'something'.

It was so good to see that scene play out without being jarring!  If Adywan ends up doing something like that, then I'd be more than happy.  It certainly gets my vote.

Nice one.  :)

 

corellian77, while I'd take your version over the current 'jarring' one of  Yoda 'suddenly atop the log' anyday of the week....I just wonder if the new direct cut you've made between the 'close-up' of Luke beginning to take the sack off his back, to the one where he's then seen having placed Yoda on the ground....is itself just a little 'jarring'?  (Although not anywhere as 'jarring' as the current scene of course!)

 

The shot of R2 that you've now moved to a little later in your scene was what was used to make the transition between the above shots smoother of course....so if Adywan does agree with your concept of re-arranging shots to show just a little bit more time between the transition of Yoda 'on the ground' and then 'atop the log' suddenly....but wants to keep that particular 'flow' of shots and sound effects as it is at that point, then here's another variation that might be a possibility that would also work well to smooth things -

 

1.  Keep the shot of R2 where it currently is in the movie, but when the following shot of 'Luke placing Yoda on ground then eventually taking his tunic off root branch' ends....

2.  ....cut instead to R2 again by using a RE-USE of the brief R2 'close-up' that is seen approx. 3 mins. later near the very end of the whole 'Luke confronting Vader in cave' sequence.... 

3.  ....then cut to the shot of 'Yoda atop log' at this point, before continuing on as normal.

Even if this RE-USE was placed here, I reckon it would be far enough away (approx. 3 mins.) from the other one at the end of the whole sequence for it to not be 'jarring', as there is plenty of action in-between them both.

In addition, Adywan could alter the look of the 'flashing' red/blue light a little, and also alter any 'whistles' that R2 makes in the RE-USED shot, which would help to differentiate them from each other.

Just throwing out an alternative, as I'd like to see something done here.  :)

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TV's Frink said:

 

Off topic I know, but cap suggested watching in the order 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6.  Interesting idea which would solve that and some other problems.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Seeing-the-Saga-in-order/post/379705/#TopicPost379705

 

Interesting indeed, but I'd rather have been able to introduce any 'newbies' to the *cough* superior *cough trilogy in it's exact order, before they went on to watch those 'earlier' events....without them complaining they'd rather see the 'first' 3 movies first, that they've noticed there seems to be....  ;)

 

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shanerjedi said:

ImperialFighter said:

You know, that kinda reminds me about another thing that the prequels ended up blowing -  the 'mysterious' and 'whimsical' first appearance of Yoda to moviegoers at that time....  This is lost for anyone new to the saga now, if they feel they have to watch them in numbered 'order', as Yoda's 'first' appearance is anything but now.  And that's even before we mention his actual new 'look' in TPM, as it currently stands!

 

Honestly, I couldve lived without seeing Yoda in the PT at all. Just have his name dropped a couple of times as this great Jedi whose the master of all who lives as a monk and not as a little green frog with a lightsaber.

I mean, the PT wasn't his story. He doesn't make a bit of difference in the end. Even his duel with Palpatine comes to nothing. I was hoping Yoda would be the one to cause Palps disfigurement or inability to mask it to the public anymore(depending on which Palpatine school you adhere to) but no Yoda retreats. He gives up because........? Well, because of NOTHING!

His character is a waste in the entire PT. And they really screwed up his dialogue. Oh boy did they screw that up. He doesn't talk inverted all the time. He does it often but not constantly.

His character and 3PO's were my biggest disappointments for OT characters.

 

 

All solid points.  I guess you can chalk it up to poor writing and inadequately thought out characters.  When you treat the writing process as an eight hour per day job and have no reliance on inspiration or other avenues of thought, then you get the prequels.  If you just aren't "in" to the story, maube you should turn the reins over to someone who is....

But I digress.

Let's see...Yoda in TESB: cryptic, wise, old sage who acts crazy and aloof to gauge Luke's mindset and readiness for Jedi training.  Yoda in I-III: Window dressing with unnecessary lightsaber twirling, who holds his own against the most powerful Sith in the universe and then runs away with no attempt for retribution even though the fate of the universe is at stake.  Plus, it ruins his "surprise" appearance in ESB.

The prequels would have been much better served with entirely new stories, concentrating on Anakin and Obi-Wan.  No need for Qui-Gon, Yoda, Jabba, etc.  And how about Jango Fett actually being Boba Fett?  Then Boba's appearance is all the more powerful in ESB.  (I feel I'm repeating myself for some reason).

But this is all served better for a "Re-Writing the Prequels into Something That Builds Upon the Star Wars Universe Instead of Diluting It" thread. :)

As far a Angel's mock-ups for Dagobah enhancement: I like the new trees and a break in the clouds to allow light into certain scenes would add some emotional impact, but I have a feeling that would be hard to accomplish in motion.  But if it can, then so be it!

And corellian77's re-edit of the log scene is a solid quick fix that makes it all the more feasible that Yoda could reposition himself.  I say to Ady: make this simple, yet effective, change (or at least some variant of it as Impfighter suggests).

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There are several instances in the prequels where Yoda does NOT do backwards speak, if you go through line by line, you'll find them pretty quick.

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The problem is that he had definite speech patterns in ESB and ROTJ. In the PT, they ignored this and just gave him some randomly backwards words. When Adywan gets around to making PT:R I'll be interested to see if he does anything with this.

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RoccondilRinon said:

The problem is that he had definite speech patterns in ESB and ROTJ. In the PT, they ignored this and just gave him some randomly backwards words. When Adywan gets around to making PT:R I'll be interested to see if he does anything with this.

 

 

Beleive me, nothing gets by this guy.  I was amazed at how precise he was with his ANH edit.  (Adding blinking lights to Vader's chestplate and changing other unnoticable continuity errors.)

 

 

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ImperialFighter said:

ImperialFighter said:

corellian77 said:

Here's a sample clip of how the scene with Yoda, just before Luke enters the tree, could be re-edited so as to allow Yoda more time to move from the ground to the fallen tree stump.

It's pretty rough, but it conveys the general idea.  My apologies for the screwed-up aspect ratio as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXExUBSalk

I would still cut out the scene of Yoda from 0:31 to 0:33 and show Yoda AFTER Luke says "There's something not right here".  That would definitely give Yoda the time to situate himself.  As it stands now, it still comes across as Yoda just teleported onto the log out of the bag. 

         

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I still don't get what you are saying, it's more of an "anything the prequels did is bad, anything the OT did was good" mentality, there was nothing wrong with Yoda's speech, it suits his character. Who are any of us to say how he should speak anyway?

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Sevb, it has nothing to do with which film he appears in. Yoda had a specific, consistent speech pattern which he used in ESB and which was emulated accurately for ROTJ. In the PT, instead of using a consistent speech pattern, they randomly moved some words around in his lines. If they'd actually used a consistent pattern in the PT and had the random words in ESB, I'd probably be here saying the PT dialogue was an improvement.

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Sevb32 said:

 Who are any of us to say how he should speak anyway?

Who are any of us to suggest making any changes to Lucas' Official Star Wars Canon? It seems presumptuous of us, right?

 

:P

 

 

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-Carl Sagan

 

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It's wasn't consistant in any of the movies if you were to nitpick line by line of all the movies. Sometimes he does it, sometimes he doesn't, it's as simple as that.

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Do you know anything about how language works, Sevb? There aren't oddities in Yoda's every line in ESB because the specific things that trigger his odd speech aren't IN his every line.

*Disclaimer: Linguistics major talking here.

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Sevb32 said:

I still don't get what you are saying, it's more of an "anything the prequels did is bad, anything the OT did was good" mentality, there was nothing wrong with Yoda's speech, it suits his character. Who are any of us to say how he should speak anyway?

Because there's no way he could speak like he does in the PT as a simple quirk, he would only be able to do that with an actual, concious effort. "Around the survivors, a perimeter create", or "that you are right, I hope".

That's ridicuous, and just more of the flanderization various characters got in the PT. Palpatine has a tendency to cackle in a sinister manner in ROTJ? Well now come ROTS he never stops laughing and cackling like an idiot. Yoda sometimes says his sentences in the wrong order? Well now in the PT every line is like that, even lines he couldn't possibly have done without purposely thinking about them first.

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Ithilgore said:

Sevb32 said:

I still don't get what you are saying, it's more of an "anything the prequels did is bad, anything the OT did was good" mentality, there was nothing wrong with Yoda's speech, it suits his character. Who are any of us to say how he should speak anyway?

Because there's no way he could speak like he does in the PT as a simple quirk, he would only be able to do that with an actual, concious effort. "Around the survivors, a perimeter create", or "that you are right, I hope".

That's ridicuous, and just more of the flanderization various characters got in the PT. Palpatine has a tendency to cackle in a sinister manner in ROTJ? Well now come ROTS he never stops laughing and cackling like an idiot. Yoda sometimes says his sentences in the wrong order? Well now in the PT every line is like that, even lines he couldn't possibly have done without purposely thinking about them first.

I agree with you.  How many lines in the OT have Yoda speaking backwards?  A handful?  I always thought they were something to do with him being alone for so long, or part of his test for Luke.  Then the prequels it looks like he SANED up for Luke.  Ridiculous.

Hard/impossible to fix, but ridiculous.

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Ithilgore said:

Sevb32 said:

I still don't get what you are saying, it's more of an "anything the prequels did is bad, anything the OT did was good" mentality, there was nothing wrong with Yoda's speech, it suits his character. Who are any of us to say how he should speak anyway?

Because there's no way he could speak like he does in the PT as a simple quirk, he would only be able to do that with an actual, concious effort. "Around the survivors, a perimeter create", or "that you are right, I hope".

That's ridicuous, and just more of the flanderization various characters got in the PT. Palpatine has a tendency to cackle in a sinister manner in ROTJ? Well now come ROTS he never stops laughing and cackling like an idiot. Yoda sometimes says his sentences in the wrong order? Well now in the PT every line is like that, even lines he couldn't possibly have done without purposely thinking about them first.

Palpatine kept it all bottled in for two films, it was good to see the power mad man cackle. And he pretty much only did it during his battle with Yoda.

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Not to be too rude, but this is all PREQUEL talk; we need to save this stuff for PHANTOM: REVISITED or whatnot.

Guys (and the possible gals), with all due respect, we need to set some standards to our posts in a lot of these threads, being that they are getting flooded with facebook style bantering.  I think everyone has done a fantastic job of covering EMPIRE:R and short of the extra thing or two (like the perspective swamp shots on Dagobah) it might mean letting the thread die a little until Ady has an update to post.  I myself will keep an eyeball on it, Augrah style, and patiently await for Ady's post...

         

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Monroville said:

Guys (and the possible gals), with all due respect, we need to set some standards to our posts in a lot of these threads, being that they are getting flooded with facebook style bantering.

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Monroville said:

 

 

corellian77 said:

Here's a sample clip of how the scene with Yoda, just before Luke enters the tree, could be re-edited so as to allow Yoda more time to move from the ground to the fallen tree stump.

It's pretty rough, but it conveys the general idea.  My apologies for the screwed-up aspect ratio as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXExUBSalk

I would still cut out the scene of Yoda from 0:31 to 0:33 and show Yoda AFTER Luke says "There's something not right here".  That would definitely give Yoda the time to situate himself.  As it stands now, it still comes across as Yoda just teleported onto the log out of the bag. 

 

Heh, I just came back on here a moment ago to also suggest this SAME possible alternative to the one of perhaps adding in a brief RE-USED 'close-up' of R2 immediately before the 'jarring' Yoda 'atop the log' shot....but I see you've beaten me to it Monroville!  :)

I agree that actually REMOVING the 'jarring' shot of Yoda 'atop the log' ALTOGETHER instead, and cutting directly from Luke taking his tunic off the root branch, straight to the 'close-up' of him putting it on while saying his line....would be just as good an alternative.

If Adywan decides to do it this way instead, and remove this particular 'jarring' shot of Yoda from the scene altogether, then it won't be any big loss whatsoever, as the next shot of Yoda in the movie (which currently comes immediately after the 'close-up' of Luke anyway) would work equally well as the first reveal of him 'atop the log', except he starts to 'lower his gaze' rather than starts to 'look upwards'.  (of course, these are basically interchangeable shots of Yoda anyway, and Adywan could use EITHER version that he prefers to be the one that comes immediately after the 'close-up' of Luke now, but before we then cut to Luke again, as he says "I feel cold")

So I really like this option too Monroville, and hopefully there's something that will be done to amend things as they currently stand now.

 

  

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Don't take this the wrong way ImperialFighter, but you sure do use a lot of bold and underlining and italics in your posts.  Perhaps it's your thing, like DAYV's all-caps or negative-1's spacing, but maybe just a tad less emphasis?  Just something to consider.

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TV's Frink said:

Don't take this the wrong way ImperialFighter, but you sure do use a lot of bold and underlining and italics in your posts.  Perhaps it's your thing, like DAYV's all-caps or negative-1's spacing, but maybe just a tad less emphasis?  Just something to consider.

He likes to stress certain elements.  When he sends you 12 emails of tweaks to do on exact frames from a movie, you become grateful for them.

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Ric Olie said:

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Well since there's a few possible things outstanding that I'd like to go into over the next few weeks, please do!  :)

 

And yeah guys, it's just a habit of 'emphasis' I seem to have gotten into, lol.  :)

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I just feel like most of the time the emphasis is unnecessary, and actually sort of implies that the reader wouldn't understand the point otherwise.  But I'll shut my big yapper now before I derail things any further.

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We all have our idioms (mine is making unnecessarily bracketed asides).

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Jay said:

Topic cleaned. As always, user bans will follow for those who can't play nice from here on out.

And yes, the forum is still moderated. Some of us have jobs. Use the ignore feature, skip over ugly posts, have a beer, or do whatever else you have to do to get yourself through the day.

Thanks for clearing up the thread, Jay. It did get a bit out of hand there for a while.

Bingowings said:

Vader marching around Hoth is much more dramatic than his scenes on the Blockade Runner in ANH.

The one thing I've never liked (even when I was ten)and I've mentioned it before is when Vader's cape gets caught behind his arm armour. 

It's a little thing but Vader is always in my mind this menacing black triangle, a stomping dark pyramid of power and for a few seconds he loses that sinister symmetry.

It's like the red room on the Death Star in ANH one of those niggly moments that spoil the mood for me.

I'm possibly the only person effected by this most strange of obsessions and I'm not sure if it could be fixed if anybody else would want it to be fixed (or indeed acknowledge that altering it would be a fix).

I'm going over into the kitchen for a bit and make sure no forks have gotten into the knife drawer again....

 

His entrance scene into the rebel control room is very reminiscent of his entrance in ANH. He appears through smoke. But, yes, i think you are the only one that's obsessed with his cape in that scene. :)

vaderios said:

Ady I got one more error if you dont know it already.

Anyways

 I dont mind that yoda actually sits in the rock in the next shot(less is more) but at least add the blue bag in the previous shot ;)

 

-Angel

This shot has already been fixed :)

vaderios said:

Ady, I had to ask about the cameos things. Its about to be 2d images from members or somehow footage in the movie?

Well it would have to be moving footage to blend in. It would most likely be in the "Lando announcement" scene where we see outside the city so the new appearances wouldn't be jarring. But that's if it is even possible to do it. t may well be just the BTS footage that donators will get if things don't work out.

Monroville said:

In regards to the "spinning star field" thing, I wish Davnes or someone would post a comparison with the static Falcon shooting off from Tatooine in ANH:R with the original spinning star field as well as a third option showing the stars streaking outside around the Falcon the way they appear inside the Falcon cockpit.

That way we can visually see the three one after the other and see for ourselves which has the best visual impact.

I can understand getting rid of the spinning star field, as it is inconsistent with other hyperspace shots (be it inside or outside other ships), so maybe instead of reintegrating the spinning star field the stars can streak out to match what we see inside the Falcon's cockpit shot.  In fact, to maintain consistency, maybe the "star streaking" can be added in other shots as well, such as when the Rebel fleet jump into hyperspace in JEDI - speaking of which, is the blue hyperspace field going to make a reappearance in JEDI:R (when the fleet jumps out of hyperspace)?

I understand that this can also go in the EMPIRE AND JEDI WISHLIST thread as well.

I haven't decided yet if the spinning starfield will make an appearance or not. I'm more towards removing it for continuity. The streaking starfield seen from outside wouldn't really work because you see it from inside the cockpit first so the streaking stars would almost be static by the time we see it from outside.

corellian77 said:

Angel, that is a very nice mock-up.  I wasn't sure if I liked it at first, but the more I see it the more I like it; it might be something worth considering for Ady to incorporate.  However, the "inconsistency" of Yoda moving from the ground to the rock is a bit more of a bother to be honest... although I'm not sure what could be done to "fix" that.  I guess one could simply assume he moved between scenes.

that has been fixed also :)

vaderios said:

Maybe one more, more interesting sunset?

i was toying with the idea that the sun goes under the clouds. So there is no night as we know it.

 

-Angel

Loving that bespin shot Angel. :)

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ImperialFighter said:

I prefer the 'gloomy', densely-packed treeline/root system that seems to make up Dagobah, as shown in the background of the 'wider, more open' views such as this one and when Luke has just crashed. 

how about this?

More ESB like ;)

 

-Angel

Nice idea, but it seems a little too light to match the other shots in that scene

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-Angel

Again very nice but would there even be a ray of light when the planet was almost completely covered with cloud and fog when he arrived?

The main problem with the original matte shot is that it doesn't match either the previous or following shots. As Luke is crashing through the trees its obvious just how foggy this place is and after this shot we see it is very foggy. So what really needs doing to that shot is add the dense fog

Sevb32 said:

I still don't get what you are saying, it's more of an "anything the prequels did is bad, anything the OT did was good" mentality, there was nothing wrong with Yoda's speech, it suits his character. Who are any of us to say how he should speak anyway?

Yodas speech patterns in the PT were terrible and "in your face" and nothing like the subtle ways it was done in the OT. Only a very small percentage of Yodas speech had the backwards style but in the PT Yoda almost became a very badly done caricature of himself. It became cringe worthy, as did the Emperors insane cackling. These 2 OT characters that appeared in the PT seemed like you were watching a spoof OTT version and not a real Star Wars movie.

Anyway, talk of the PT really doesn't belong in here

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