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Jaitea said:

Here's the URL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnsPNzdytlU

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corellian77 said:

 

Edit: And on the topic of Jaitea's audio work... just listened to it on my regular PC and I can now clearly hear the difference between "Luke" and the rest of the dialogue.  That said, it's still a good effort -- better than what I turned out when I tried the same thing awhile back, at any rate.

 

The pronunciation and tone of Ian's voice works fine.  What throws it off is that "Luke" needs to have the heavy echo/reverb atmosphere of the rest of the scene.  Add that in and it should be pretty seamless.

My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.

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VADER: What is thy bidding, my master?

EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the Force.

VADER: I have felt it   Yes, I have felt it.   (the "Yes" would be used from the eliminated line below.  No biggie, I just prefer it still to be used)

EMPEROR: We have a new enemy...the young rebel, Skywalker.  ("...Luke Skywalker" or "...young Skywalker" works fine too)

VADER: Yes, my master.   He's just a boy, Obi-Wan can no longer help him.  (elimates one of the 3 "grovelling'? '...my master" lines)

EMPEROR: He could destroy us.

VADER: He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.   How is that possible?  (from SE - He could be 'feigning' ignorance of his full knowledge of Luke here!  Who knows?...)

EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.

VADER: If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.

EMPEROR: Yes...yes, he would be a great asset. Can it be done?
VADER: He will join us or die, my master.

Or some alternative 'double-dealings' -
VADER: What is thy bidding, my master?
EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the force.
VADER: I have felt it.  Yes, I have felt it.
EMPEROR: We have a new enemy...the young rebel, Skywalker  (or "...Luke Skywalker" or "...young Skywalker")
VADER: Yes, my master.   How is that possible?
EMPEROR: He could destroy us.  The Force is strong with him.  The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.
VADER: He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.
EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him.  The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.  He could destroy us.
VADER: If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.
EMPEROR: Yes...yes, he would be a great asset.  Can it be done?
VADER: He will join us or die, my master.  (or just "He will join us or die!")

 

Okay, in addition to my comments on the previous page, here's a last alternative from me to think about, that rearranges things about slightly, but still retains more of the original's vibe than the SE's, and still keeps a little mystery about the amount of knowledge that Vader and the Emperor have of each others motives.

The 2 things this layout does is get rid of one of the "...my master" lines that Vader repeats three times, which strikes me as a bit 'over-deferential' for such a short conversation, or just plain 'sarcastic'!  One at the beginning, and one at the end seems fine, although I like the idea of just removing the last one instead (if the original conversation is kept), so that Vader's line ends with his menacing (and deliberately misleading ?) reply to the Emperor that "He will join us or die!"

The other is the inclusion of "How is this possible?" line from the SE dialogue, so that things DO tie in with the damned prequels at some point...well, assuming Adywan keeps certain dialogue and events between the Emperor and Vader somewhat as is....

Anyway, just some random thoughts and I'm just happy we're not getting that whole SE conversation!

 

 

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Personally for the reasons I've already described I'd prefer the original dialogue but spoken by Ian, but if you were to go down that route why not go a bit further with your shifting and cut much of the grovelling and to the chase?

VADER: What is thy bidding, my master?

EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the Force, we have a new enemy.

VADER: I have felt it.

EMPEROR: He could destroy us.

VADER: Is that possible? He's just a boy, Obi-Wan can no longer help him.

EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.

VADER: If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.

EMPEROR: Yes, yes, he would be a great asset. Can it be done?

VADER: He will join us or die, my master.

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Hey, I quite like all that too! 

I'd still prefer your version to have Vader say "Yes, I have felt it", and his other line start with "How is that possible?" though.  ;)

Can't believe I missed Adywan's confirmed 2nd Emperor "Yes", but I've added it now.  :)

I added another alternative into my post above, but I'm pretty sure we'll be hearing something akin to Adywan's trailer at the end of the day, which works just fine.

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Bingowings said:

Personally for the reasons I've already described I'd prefer the original dialogue but spoken by Ian, but if you were to go down that route why not go a bit further with your shifting and cut much of the grovelling and to the chase?

VADER: What is thy bidding, my master?

EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the Force, we have a new enemy.

VADER: I have felt it.

EMPEROR: He could destroy us.

VADER: Is that possible? He's just a boy, Obi-Wan can no longer help him.

EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.

VADER: If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.

EMPEROR: Yes, yes, he would be a great asset. Can it be done?

VADER: He will join us or die, my master.

 the third  line for vader kinda sounds sandwhiched together, i think it'd be better as two lines. and i still think we need to keep the line "young skywalker" or "the young rebel who destroyed the death star" or something similiar.

if i was a complete stranger to the movie, i might wonder who this new "enemy" is.

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How about this for a dialog change?

 

 

Vader: What is thy bidding my master?

Palp: It's a disaster, Skywalker we're after.

Vader: What if he could be turned to the darkside?

Palp: Yes! He'd be a powerful ally, another dark Jedi.

Vader: He will join us or die.

 

*awesomeness ensues*

 

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We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.

-Carl Sagan

 

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are we after a guy in a vader costume, or has that been covered by someone else yet?

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Tough choices.........I guess I'd at least keep "how is that possible" in there just to be safe as a regrettable tie in and subtle acknowledgment of the PT events.

 

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ImperialFighter said:

Like others, I thought about removing either "...Luke Skywalker" or "...young Skywalker" from the sentance altogether too, as the 'beat' of the dialogue still sounds good without it, before Vader eventually replies "Yes, my master".  But I ended up thinking that without clarification of <span style="text-decoration: underline;">exactly who</span> the Emperor means before Vader responds "He's just a boy...Obi-wan can no longer help him", that the Emperor might reply "Not that brat Luke you fool!, I'm on about ANOTHER enemy we've got to contend with!"

I think that they both know they’re on the same page, but if you don’t agree, then wouldn’t it make sense for the Emperor to “test” Vader? Vader has just said “I have felt it” and “Yes, my master.” Think of the Emperor’s omission of Skywalker’s identity as saying, “Are you just pretending to know what I’m talking about, or do you really? Prove that you do by telling me.” Vader passes the test by saying, “He’s just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.”

 

Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.

 

That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.

 

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Sorry to be a pain again, but I've taken on board the suggestions made, I've time-stretched the 'Luke' and added more reverb. I think it sounds a bit better.......but please remember this is only a suggestion.....this is mixed down to 2track stereo, Ady would need to mix this himself for the 5:1 soundtrack.

Ady has mentioned that this clip needs to be croakier to blend in better, i think its that short and the croakiness of 'Skywalker' makes you think that its all croaky.

Here's another URLhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8LD_0QU17I&feature=youtube_gdata


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Jaitea said:


Sorry to be a pain again, but I've taken on board the suggestions made, I've time-stretched the 'Luke' and added more reverb. I think it sounds a bit better.......but please remember this is only a suggestion.....this is mixed down to 2track stereo, Ady would need to mix this himself for the 5:1 soundtrack.

Ady has mentioned that this clip needs to be croakier to blend in better, i think its that short and the croakiness of 'Skywalker' makes you think that its all croaky.


Better, but still not up to Adywan’s Revisited standards.

An expert in speech synthesis might be able to paste “Luke” together from phonemes in the original dialog: the L- from “Lord Vader,” the -ü- from “new” or “true,” and maybe the -k from “Skywalker.” I used to know somebody who might be qualified to do this properly. I am no longer in touch with him but think I know where I can reach him.

Before I bother him, it would help if I knew what other sources of dialog can be used. Are we limited to this conversation from the 2004 TESB, or can we use Emperor dialog from ROTS or ROTJ? I think it may be necessary to find the consonants combined with the given vowel phoneme. For example, it may not be possible to construct “Luke” using any of the k sounds from the TESB scene, but possible with a ük from Palpatine saying “Dooku” or “you killed her” in ROTS.

It would also help to know whether Adywan is interested in this approach; I’d hate for him to go to all that trouble at my request just for Ady to say, “Thanks but no thanks, I like ‘young.’”

Jaitea, you might want to take a crack at this by taking the ü from “true” and pasting it over the ü from the “Luke” you used in your video.

 

Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.

 

That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.

 

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Cap said:

I think it’s clear enough that they both know they’re on the same page, but if you don’t agree, then wouldn’t it make sense for the Emperor to “test” Vader? Vader has just said “I have felt it” and “Yes, my master.” Think of the Emperor’s omission of Skywalker’s identity as saying, “Are you just pretending to know what I’m talking about, or do you really? Prove that you do by telling me.” Vader passes the test by saying, “He’s just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.”

I can't believe that there is still a misunderstanding of this scene!!

 

The whole galaxy by this stage knows the name Luke Skywalker, the hero of the rebellion. Vader knows Luke is his son, as the kid was involved with Kenobi's disturbance on the Death Star, who was travelling on a ship which escaped from Tattooine. Vader had sensed that this boy was strong with the force, but in the period after the destruction of the Death Star, Luke could not improve his abilities until he met Yoda. This meeting sent tremors in the force, something was happening in the galaxy which could upset the position of Vader and Palps.

'There is a disturbance in the force', someone is being trained (or will be, remember Palps is forseeing this, like Luke feeling the pain of his colleagues on Bespin)

Vader has felt this also, 'Obi Wan can no longer help him' & 'The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi' again supporting the fact that they sense that Skywalker is being educated. 

 

They both already are wanting Skywalker for their own means as master and apprentice & father and son.

 

Palpatine at this stage has forseen that Young Skywalker could mean the end of the Sith, which Vader mentions to Luke at the end of Empire & in Jedi


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I think its good to know how % ady used props , 2d elements and 3d elements in this edit as well.

A clue to see to what balance is the edit ;)

 

-Angel

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adywan said:

Well, on the modelling side of things,  i've been building the skeleton for the new Wampa puppet. The jaw was a bit tricky to get a more natural movement than was in the original puppet and make it look like a real jaw bone and not something that just pops open. The facial sculpture of the Wampa is complete and the mould has been made ready for the latex to be applied.  I've made the head section so that it can be worn by a person, although they wouldn't be able to see out of it. The puppet is going to be a head and shoulders, the same as the original, but unlike the original it is also going to feature a section of the arms. When he swings at Luke in the opening shots i want the audience to be able to see the shoulder movement and part of the arm lashing out.

On the video side of things, well what i have been working on is top secret. This is going to be something that i won't be revealing until the movie is released.

 

All kinds of anticipated awesomeness featured in this recent post...

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rcb said:

Bingowings said:

Personally for the reasons I've already described I'd prefer the original dialogue but spoken by Ian, but if you were to go down that route why not go a bit further with your shifting and cut much of the grovelling and to the chase?

VADER: What is thy bidding, my master?

EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the Force, we have a new enemy.

VADER: I have felt it.

EMPEROR: He could destroy us.

VADER: Is that possible? He's just a boy, Obi-Wan can no longer help him.

EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.

VADER: If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.

EMPEROR: Yes, yes, he would be a great asset. Can it be done?

VADER: He will join us or die, my master.

 the third  line for vader kinda sounds sandwhiched together, i think it'd be better as two lines. and i still think we need to keep the line "young skywalker" or "the young rebel who destroyed the death star" or something similiar.

if i was a complete stranger to the movie, i might wonder who this new "enemy" is.

The added "How Is that possible" doesn't make sense, Vader at this point knows who Luke is and I don't buy this testing nonsense.

If it has to go in dropping the "How" makes the addition at least make some sense because now it's attached to Vader being alerted to the possibility that Luke isn't just a Force sensitive Rebel but someone that even Palpatine says could destroy both of them.

If Luke can destroy the Emperor as Palpatine says he can he could be a poweful ally, to Vader's own ambitions.

Anyone not knowing that they are talking about Luke at this point is too stupid to be watching this film.

From the crawl onwards we know Vader has been seeking Luke and he gets a name check in the dialogue anyway.

As I said, I'd prefer the original dialogue but if people want to shift the words around at least point them in the right direction.

 

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cap said:

They both know who they’re talking about, right?

VADER: What is thy bidding, my master?

EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the Force.

VADER: I have felt it.

EMPEROR: We have a new enemy.    

VADER: Yes, my master.

EMPEROR: He could destroy us.

VADER: He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.

EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.

VADER: If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.

EMPEROR: Yes. He would be a great asset. Can it be done?       ( with the 2nd "Yes of course - Imp ;) )

VADER: He will join us or die, my master.     

 

 

cap, I think it does depend on whether you think they both know who they are talking about before the conversation is started....or not.  And whether the events seen and heard in the prequels muddy the waters a bit with the original dialogue....or not.

However, having thought about the original dialogue a bit more, and the exact order of each response said by both characters, I guess that Vader probably does know that the very Force-powerful Emperor has 'sensed' that it's actually Luke (who's Force-'influence' has increased greatly thanks to Yoda's teaching at this point in the movie) that has caused the "...great disturbance in the Force" that he's on about....before the Emperor goes onto confirm this disturbance is caused by "...Luke Skywalker" in his next response.

Going by his first response, I also reckon that Vader probably does also know that it is indeed Luke that is causing the "...great disturbance in the Force" too by now, even before he's contacted....and I think he probably KNOWS that the Emperor will believe that by now too, considering he knows how Force-sensitive Vader is.

Although Vader continues to respond 'grovellingly' with the "Yes, master" line as his answer to the Emperor's "We have a new enemy...Luke Skywalker", it could certainly be argued that this brief, 'submissive' agreement hides ulterior motives and he's waiting (and interested) to see what else the Emperor is going to go on to say about the matter before he says anymore himself.

So, as in your example above, I now agree that it could work equally well even if the Emperor DOESN'T specifically say something like "...Luke Skywalker" / "...young Skywalker" / **cough** "...the young rebel, Skywalker" **cough**, after he says "We have a new enemy".  As I now agree that Vader probably DOES know who the Emperor is on about at the start of the conversation after all, and the fact it is certainly clarified by the Emperor during his later responses...then I guess It just becomes a 'stylistic' / 'does it sound better' kind of choice whether Adywan decides to 'emphasise' it during the Emperor's 2nd line or not.  I'm not fussed as I reckon it works just as well either way now.

I also now think that the fact this dialogue and scene appears so late in the movie, doesn't conflict in any way with the fact that Vader (and by extension, the Emperor - it's his Fleet after all) is already looking for Luke from the start of the movie, whether just purely as part of the Rebel Alliance as a whole, since he's become a 'figurehead' for it, according to the 'intro. scroll'...nor even if Vader alone (or the Emperor too), had 'seperate agendas' from the start of the movie where Luke's 'possibilities' were concerned.  It's only because of Luke getting VERY Force-powerful by this stage of the movie that brings about this particular conversation about his potential danger to their Sith setup, no matter what they may have discussed in the past about going after him or not. 

The original dialogue can be seen to work well as a case of 'misdirection' and 'gamesmanship' between the two, despite the prequel events.  So no "How is that possible?" question needed from Vader after all, to upset the applecart of what he wants the Emperor to believe at this point (his unwavering loyalty and agreement), for the sake of trying to tie things together.  The original dialogue can still be seen to make complete sense without any rearranging or retconning for the prequels as the SE attempted misguidedly to do.

 

 

 

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Jaitea said:

Sorry to be a pain again, but I've taken on board the suggestions made, I've time-stretched the 'Luke' and added more reverb. I think it sounds a bit better.......but please remember this is only a suggestion.....this is mixed down to 2track stereo, Ady would need to mix this himself for the 5:1 soundtrack.

Ady has mentioned that this clip needs to be croakier to blend in better, i think its that short and the croakiness of 'Skywalker' makes you think that its all croaky.

Here's another URLhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8LD_0QU17I&feature=youtube_gdata


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I think it works quite well.. again, some more tweaking, but it didn't stand out in an awkward way (for one thing, the word LUKE needs to be a little louder).

On another note, I can't say I ever cared for the Vader line: "How is that possible?"  I liked how in the original dialogue Vader is making statements to counter the Emperor's, as well as talking the Emperor into doing things his way.  The "How is it possible?" line kinda comes across as Vader is a little stupid.. you know, like how he is in JEDI.

And yes, I know the argument will be that he is feigning ignorance to trick the Emperor, but I still say keep the Vader dialogue to statements and not questions (other than the opening line, that is)

         

 “You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”

– Homer Simpson

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Monroville said:

 

On another note, I can't say I ever cared for the Vader line: "How is that possible?"  I liked how in the original dialogue Vader is making statements to counter the Emperor's, as well as talking the Emperor into doing things his way.  The "How is it possible?" line kinda comes across as Vader is a little stupid.. you know, like how he is in JEDI.

 

I hate the line too, but here is a take that might make it a little easier to stomach.

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Oh, I get it now.

 

EMPEROR: We have a new enemy, the young Rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.

VADER: How is that possible? Anakin Skywalker has no offspring.

VADER: How is that possible? He was living on the planet farthest from the bright center of the universe, Owen and Beru were keeping him down on the farm, he knew nothing of the world around him and had never even heard of the Force. Then within two days he had come out of nowhere, showcased Jedi skills, and forever changed the course of Galactic history by DESTROYING THE FREAKING DEATH STAR!!! How the fuck did that happen to us?!!

EMPEROR: He could destroy us.

VADER: He’s just a boy. Obi-wan can no longer help him.

 

See? Makes much more sense now.

 

 

Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.

 

That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.

 

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VADER: How is that possible? He was living on the planet farthest from the bright center of the universe, Owen and Beru were keeping him down on the farm, he knew nothing of the world around him and had never even heard of the Force. Then within two days he had come out of nowhere, showcased Jedi skills, and forever changed the course of Galactic history by DESTROYING THE FREAKING DEATH STAR!!! How the fuck did that happen to us?!!

Come on Vader.  If you're going to drop the F-bomb once, why not twice?  Go whole hog on that sucker.