vaderios said:AxiaEuxine said:do not pay attention to Angel, we want a new pic every hour
Infidels must die! :D
"you don't want a pic every hour"
-Angel
Come on kids, play nice, let's compromise: a new pic every day :D
And WOW, great work on those clouds Adywan!
teharri said:I know I am jumping the gun here, but for next weeks picture can we get a duel pic?
Fuck that, there's already 2 on the first page, I want to see the new Emperor again! :P
Joe Johnston himself is the guy in the middle of the Hoth transport bay shot.
But I think the scene should stay, just enhanced to make it less "matte-ish".
The scene with the officers never relly bothered me, besides the fact that you hear a ship go by but see nothing, and the matte looks kinda fake, and it doesn't add anything to the story, kinda like the scene in ANH with 3PO and R2 in the doorway and the soldiers walk up to the door, knock on it, and then move on (some1 please explain that scene, lol) but ya...
Hello I know I am way behind regarding commeneting on the Ion cannon video clip.
I also been reading up on the latest new as well. Love the Clouds with bespin picture. Really cooling looking.
1. the colour restoration looks nice.
2. the shot of the star destroyers moving towards hoth is also a nice touch.
3. The brigde scene took me by suprprise. Although I love the original version, this one feels more natural as the captain looking out in charge an all alone. Also the feeling of vastness makes it look impressive.
4. Ion Cannon scene. One of the most beatuiful looking scenes ever. the colour correstion with added scenery really enchances the final shot. The laser bolt is also cool.
5. The scenes involving the trading of laser and the explosion of the x-wing makes the scene more dramatic and urgent as the rebels ship tries to flee.
All in all a very impressive clip.
However i did notice one thing. In the scenes with the bridge and especially the rebel transporter moving away from hoth, the star destroyer in the background does not move. It looks as though it is stuck to the starfield. I have circled the star destroyer in question.
It moves at the start when all 3 destroyers are there. but after that it does not move. The scene with the rebel transporter everything else is moving, the planet, ships, lasers, even the camera.
My question is will that be altered?
I never noticed that. I would have absolutely no problem with it standing still, but it's moving in the very first shot, then it cuts to inside the Star Destroyer and it's suddenly not moving at all. I think the best thing to do is to make it still in the first shot - it doesn't really *need* to be moving anyway, right?
I always thought it should be moving slighty because as the camera move slighty to the right everything moves in a different direction.
Either that or the stars should be moving behind the star destroyer.
Chrille said:According to wookipedia, the guys in that scene were art directors, conceptual artists, etc and not actors. No wonder the performance is poor!
Lol! Well, that explains a lot - even the way that they hold themselves seems awkward and unnatural; the middle-man looks especially out-of-sorts, with his arms and hands held rigidly by his sides, and with the way he fumblingly turns away from the camera when the other two Rebel officers have left the scene.
EyeShotFirst said:
I've seen acting in video games that dominated that scene. I am really referring to topdawg's avatar when i am saying that. Dark Forces 2 was epic.
Ha, yeah, the live-action cutscenes in that game were pretty nicely handled, and I would also say that the acting on show there is better than that displayed in the Rebel-Transport-Bay scene. Unfortunately!
ImperialFighter said:
While I can see that a direct 'wipe' from the shot showing Ozzel glowering at Captain Needa, straight to the one of Han atop the Falcon, fixing it, could work out okay....
I too think, having gone back and rewatched that sequence of the film, that wiping straight into Han and Chewie working on the Falcon from the Needa/Ozzel scene would be sufficient, and work well. Having watched this part of the film in that order (skipping over the Rebel-officers scene on the media player), I also feel that it has a better flow to it as well.
ImperialFighter said:
We get to see a lot more of the Base, including seeing some of the actual large 'Transports', in this establishing shot.
We'd miss out on the exposition about the intentions for the 'snowspeeders' which Leia doesn't cover later on, since we hear "Groups 7 and 10 will stay behind to fly the speeders...."
And most of all we'd miss out on Adywan's intentions to totally re-do this shot in his own inimitable way, which has GOT to be worth seeing!
And I also agree that, with improved visuals and offering a more expansive view of the Rebel Base, this scene does (or could) have its merits. However, I feel that, in balance, these merits are insignificant, next to the power of the piss-poor acting on show in this segment :P. Will visuals truly distract and make up for the needless, poorly produced exposition and weak acting contained in this scene?
Also, while the exposition may indeed add more to the events than I had previously thought, I still don't see the exposition as required, or even all that interesting (and definitely not well delivered!), to such an extent that it should stay. When watching the speeders in action, it is not necessary that we know about their tactics or game-plan.
Docta Nick said:
The scene with the officers never relly bothered me, besides the fact that you hear a ship go by but see nothing, and the matte looks kinda fake, and it doesn't add anything to the story, kinda like the scene in ANH with 3PO and R2 in the doorway and the soldiers walk up to the door, knock on it, and then move on (some1 please explain that scene, lol) but ya...
I myself always thought that the 3PO and R2 scene in question served to enhance the tension, and drive home the point that the Imperials are about and out to get our heroes (they're in the cantina, searching door-to-door for the droids, and then finally they close in on them when they excitingly blast off in the Falcon). So, that scene serves as a link, in the chain of events with the purpose to build up tension and then resolve in the daring Falon escape. But the Rebel-officers scene, as well as not adding anything to the movie in terms of plot, also adds nothing in the way of theme or mood. To me, it is the wart on the otherwise clear face of TESB ;)
Food for thought.
Docta Nick said:
The scene with the officers never relly bothered me, besides the fact that you hear a ship go by but see nothing, and the matte looks kinda fake, and it doesn't add anything to the story, kinda like the scene in ANH with 3PO and R2 in the doorway and the soldiers walk up to the door, knock on it, and then move on (some1 please explain that scene, lol) but ya...
I myself always thought that the 3PO and R2 scene in question served to enhance the tension, and drive home the point that the Imperials are about and out to get our heroes (they're in the cantina, searching door-to-door for the droids, and then finally they close in on them when they excitingly blast off in the Falcon). So, that scene serves as a link, in the chain of events with the purpose to build up tension and then resolve in the daring Falon escape. But the Rebel-officers scene, as well as not adding anything to the movie in terms of plot, also adds nothing in the way of theme or mood. To me, it is the wart on the otherwise clear face of TESB ;)Food for thought.
Ok...I still think it's a weird scene how the soldier just walks up to the door and knocks a few times and says, ah whatever, lets check the next one. Thats the part that bothers me. O well lol
It functions as an establishing shot. Provided Ady can clean up the matte I have no problem with that shot staying in.
Tobar said:adywan said:with all the talk of the skies when Luke approaches Bespin i thought it would be best if i posted a screenshot of my version. Again this shot has full video motion clouds so you can't really get a sense of what the finished shot will be like until you see it in motion, plus the x-wing is missing
Love this, so beautiful! Hey Ady do you ever look at the scripts to see if there are any visual descriptions that were never fully implemented into the final movie that you could bring to life? I bring this up because I was looking for quotes about Cloud City and found this in the script:
EXTERIOR: BESPIN SURFACE -- MILLENNIUM FALCON
It is down on the gaseous planet. Huge billowing clouds
form a canyon as the ship banks around them, heading toward
the system's Cloud City.
Suddenly, two twin-pod cloud cars appear and move toward
the Falcon. The cloud cars draw up alongside the starship.After I read that I remembered that shot above and thought how perfectly that fit the description for the earlier scene.
i haven't got the Star Wars scripts unfortunately but i would be interesting to read the descriptions for the scenes.
Darth Solo said:I love the whole feel of this shot. It looks more realistic and moody, and less erm, well, fantasy idealistic. It also sets up the darker tone the storyline takes from that point.
Its unfortunate that you have have to scrap work youve already spent days modifying, but its great to see your so commited to giving the best visual experience you can give, and the fact your taking onboard our ideas in your final vision.
i'd rather work on something for weeks and scrap it because find a better way of doing it than work on a shot for weeks and add it into the move just because of the amount of time i spent on it even though it didn't look right
vaderios said:I Like that Ady add more detail or just add the city on top ;)
The grey clouds needs a kiss of blue. just 2% of color layer
-Angel
its the same could city matte used i the one with the pod car ( i just changed the lighting on it) so the detail is already there, its just that its smaller this time around and the city is already on the top. I did try it with a bit more blue but i didn't like the look of it and i didn't feel it matched well with the previous shots. the slight yellow tint and lightness of the clouds works the best
DuTwan said:Hey guys just wonderin two things, one is this scene gonna get redone or scrapped. Secondly has Adywan already beaten me to it lol
Its the fact of each of them has black lines round them, they seem to be a different colour to the rest of the scene and their acting unfortunately due to the fact the scene was probably not recorded on set that their acting seems fake similar to PT lmao
DuTwan said:topdawg193 said:^ That scene always stuck out like a sore thumb to me - not necessarily because of the matte, but because of the highly dubious acting. Do they not just explain what Leia explains to the Rebel pilots a few moments later in the film? I, personally, wouldn't mind seeing that scene axed completely - it just seems to stick out from the rest of the movie at this point, by not adding anything to the plot, and showcasing some pretty poor performances.
I totally agree with that statement, the footage itself seems to be from another movie they just inserted, just feels unnatural there.
the whole background is being redone. but there is no way i could ever get rid of this scene. i would never forgive myself that i deleted the cameo by Ralph McQuarrie. :)
Grythandril said:However i did notice one thing. In the scenes with the bridge and especially the rebel transporter moving away from hoth, the star destroyer in the background does not move. It looks as though it is stuck to the starfield. I have circled the star destroyer in question.
i noticed this problem just after i posted the clip and changed its movement on the bridge shot so it isn't static
adywan said:with all the talk of the skies when Luke approaches Bespin i thought it would be best if i posted a screenshot of my version. Again this shot has full video motion clouds so you can't really get a sense of what the finished shot will be like until you see it in motion, plus the x-wing is missing
All the clouds detract from Cloud City
"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-
Beautiful work, Ady -- this is not just a good effects shot, it's art. I can't wait to see it in motion!
Also, interesting note on McQuarrie -- I didn't know he was in that scene!
All the best,
Sojourn
Its good to add some of new pics in the first page ady ;)
-Angel
adywan said:i would never forgive myself that i deleted the cameo by Ralph McQuarrie. :)
Just caught this update before I hit the sack. I didn't know he was in that shot. I'm sure even he'd be impressed with all the work you're doing on this thing.
Ady, you really outdid yourself this time, the cloud city matte looks so much better, one has to remember that there has to be some space for the X-Wing to travel towards the city, and it just glimmering there in the light, with bright in front and dark behind gives it a stange-but-nice sense of what is about to happen while still remaining pretty to look at and not ruining the metaphor. Truly pretty.....that single shot would be great in "The Art of ESB revisited" book no one will publish hahahahaha.
^^^ AWESOME. I cannot wait to see this in motion. Thanks AdY.
DuTwan said:Hey guys just wonderin two things, one is this scene gonna get redone or scrapped. Secondly has Adywan already beaten me to it lol
Its the fact of each of them has black lines round them, they seem to be a different colour to the rest of the scene and their acting unfortunately due to the fact the scene was probably not recorded on set that their acting seems fake similar to PT lmao
DuTwan said:topdawg193 said:^ That scene always stuck out like a sore thumb to me - not necessarily because of the matte, but because of the highly dubious acting. Do they not just explain what Leia explains to the Rebel pilots a few moments later in the film? I, personally, wouldn't mind seeing that scene axed completely - it just seems to stick out from the rest of the movie at this point, by not adding anything to the plot, and showcasing some pretty poor performances.
I totally agree with that statement, the footage itself seems to be from another movie they just inserted, just feels unnatural there.
the whole background is being redone. but there is no way i could ever get rid of this scene. i would never forgive myself that i deleted the cameo by Ralph McQuarrie. :)
Omg didnt know Ralph was there, well i trust u Ady so if u make the scene work i believe u can.
Been lookin thru Empire past few days and cant see anything that hasnt been mentioned or done by Ady. Findin it really hard now to find things to try and change and worse its gettin harder to find pics to do mockups with lol.
What we need really is a kind of quick list Ady that u havent done yet and u wonderin about idea or just wot generally people come up with. Coz we dont know exactly how much uve done or every last thing uve changed lol.
I've got a shot of Ralph over on the Hidden Things thread.
^Which is a nice one. Thanks for the heads-up! (I don't browse the forum enough...)
^ http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Hidden-items-in-OT-and-other-SW/post/357125/#post357125
:)
-Angel
^Yep, I posted in that thread over an hour before you linked to it. Haha. ;) Could help others find it, though. It's a fun one!
^I just woke up, what did you expect, haha
Just wondering, if ady will remade some if not all the sunset cloud scenes with new ones. Or at least to color correct the color continuity errors.
-Angel
Bewy said:Hey
Watching oh_riginal's (interesting) video, it reminded me something that bugged me with the DVD, yet I'm not too sure about it: I believe that in the DVD version the musical cue has been moved a bit earlier compared with the SE VHS or OUT version.
On the DVD, when Han says "Detach!", the music begins (see pic below).
But in my mind the piece had always begun a bit later, during the following shot (see pic below).
I don't know whether I'm hallucinating or not, so has anyone noticed that?
I don't know if anyone noticed this post of mine on page 350, among the furious debate of the Falcon holo :D
Bewy said:Bewy said:Hey
Watching oh_riginal's (interesting) video, it reminded me something that bugged me with the DVD, yet I'm not too sure about it: I believe that in the DVD version the musical cue has been moved a bit earlier compared with the SE VHS or OUT version.
On the DVD, when Han says "Detach!", the music begins (see pic below).
But in my mind the piece had always begun a bit later, during the following shot (see pic below).
I don't know whether I'm hallucinating or not, so has anyone noticed that?
I don't know if anyone noticed this post of mine on page 350, among the furious debate of the Falcon holo :D
I just checked my really old VHS (I got at Value Village on Sunday), and you're right. :)
On the VHS, Han's theme starts just after the 'clunk' sounds of detachment. On the 2006 SE DVD, just as Han says "Here we go chewie..." some gentle violin music starts, and after Leia says "You have your moments", Han's theme finally starts.
I think it was modified to allow for the extra little bit of footage of the Falcon & Slave fly-by.
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Thanks for proving I'm not mad :D
Is there any possibility that the "old" version of the music sync be reinstated in ESB:R? Because I found it bothering actually since the very first time I've watched the DVD :P
