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vaderios said:

the time in a movie is diferent from the runtime.

Not sure what you are meaning vaderios, but the shots I've mentioned are supposed to be running concurrently to one another, in actual 'real-time' as far as I can tell.

I'll have time for one more quick post about something else today, before the wife really starts to get mad!  Glad my boys understand....  ;)

LOL, yes,....my wife would consider me obsessively detail-orientated, but I prefer to think of it as just trying to be 'thorough' when it comes to things I care about.  ;)

Adywan, you'll remember that I've previously hoped that you would include 'JEDI's' approx. 18 secs. long 'overhead' Stardestroyer element (or at least some of it), somewhere else into your 'Empire:R' or 'JEDI:R' edits instead, if you DO remove it from the 'intro.' because of your future 'Executor' plans there.... 

(although I'm guessing that it probably will remain, only with 'differences' during the actual shot....) 

I still don't want a definitive answer to this, as I'd like the bulk of whatever's in store for 'Empire:R' to mainly be a surprise, but on the subject of Stardestroyers in general at the moment, it reminded me of something else I'm interested to see -  Will you consider incorporating some of the great 'A New Hope' Stardestroyers that were previously unused by you, into either 'Empire:R' or 'JEDI:R' instead?  They were really good elements at the end of the day, and it would be great to see them still make an appearance elsewhere in your edits....

Here's an example of that 'overhead' shot that doubleofive knocked up for me (along with a few other 'speculations' for fun) on page 108, for those that may have missed it since -   

....and in addition to the previous small 'Tattooine' Stardestroyers, these are the other unused Stardestroyer elements that I'm referring to, that I'd also like to see somewhere, if possible -

Start of shot   (lasts approx. 2 secs. long, and comes just after the scene in Ben's Hut, as it heads towards the Death Star.  Although Adywan's new 'reveal' scene is superior, I've always liked the 'angle' of this Stardestroyer element, especially.) -

Middle of above shot -

End of above shot -

OR 'flipped' into reverse as an option, of course.  ;) -

....and this one just afterwards, in it's original 'way round', as it recedes away from us. 

Start of shot   (lasts approx. 4 secs. long.  Note: Adywan only partially used this in 'ANH:Revisited', as it headed towards his new Death Star 'reveal'.  He also 'flipped' it into reverse for that new shot.) -

Middle of above shot - 

End of above shot -

Fingers crossed, and just a thought.

rhomboid.

Wow. That. Is. Cool.

Monroville said:

If that indeed is the ESB:R shot, you will have to fix this one too to make the Avenger closer to the center SD as opposed to the far left one (the Avenger will probably have to be pushed more towards the right side of the screen):

That's a perspective issue.  The camera placement is right next to the SD in the foreground, with the two in the background much further away, nothing wrong with the placement in either this shot or Ady's fixed sequence.

Monroville said:

adywan said:

well i just popped in to do some catching up and... wow. So much reading to do.  I just wished i'd known you were going to post all that, ImperialFighter, because i have already finished the stardestroyer scene and have fixed the positioning problems.

because i was already going to be cleaning up the Fx i decided it would be easier to redo the whole position of the stardestroyers than use any form of flip shots ( i just hate flip shots. lol)

If that indeed is the ESB:R shot, you will have to fix this one too to make the Avenger closer to the center SD as opposed to the far left one (the Avenger will probably have to be pushed more towards the right side of the screen):



Also remember that Needa can see the side of the other SD outside his bridge, which means the SDs would be overlapping each other, not side-by-side as indicated here (being that if that was the case, Needa should have seen the upper superstructure and conning tower of the closing SD, not the SDs side)

WOW Adywan! - lol, no worries here about my being a bit late on that sequence, considering your new 'positioning' is MUCH more than I could have hoped for in the end.  Making the 'Avenger' go nearer to the 'oncoming' Stardestroyer on it's LEFT instead, is the BEST outcome possible that could have been done.  And you've definately still got a little of that 'convergence together' thing going on at this point.  And those stars.  And that colouring....  Fantastical (haven't used that one yet!) stuff once again.  :)

Sorry Monroville, but I've got to agree with Sbassen above, who reckons the initial shot (immediately above) is just down to 'perspective'.  Although I also said that in my long post a couple of pages back, one thing I didn't bother to mention at the time, was that I ALWAYS used to think that the 'Avenger' seemed to come across as being nearer to it's LEFT 'oncoming' Stardestroyer, nearest to us, rather than the one on it's right.  If Adywan has tweaked this shot a little too, then fine, but it certainly works for me as it stands now if he hasn't, considering he's put a 'gap' between them in the following shot, meaning that the 'Avenger' isn't shown as being underneath the other one at this point, unlike before. 

I just wasn't sure how much Adywan was wanting to amend in all this, but he's placed things far better now in that 'comparison' shot of his.

As far as the 'Avenger' Bridge 'windows' view (no 'flipping' required now!) goes -  Bear in mind that the 'comparison' shot that Adywan has shown is not at the END of that whole shot.  There is still a bit of 'moving forward' that his newly 'positioned' Stardestroyers have to do yet....so that by the time we cut to the 'Bridge' shot, things should look better as far as 'continuity' out of the 'windows' is concerned.

Here's the END of what the original shot looks like below, as a rough guide as to how much further ahead Adywan's 'Avenger' will have travelled by then (though still not necessarily underneath).  In fact, in the shot he's previewed, his 'Avenger' already looks to be 'further ahead' at that MIDDLE point, compared to the middle of the original.  He's got it perfect!  -

Monroville said:

ImperialFighter said:

Monroville said:

(3) you could use this shot from ANH (move the right SD more along side the left SD) to replace the distant SD shot in image (1) - these are a bit closer and thus allow us to see more detail, not to mention the SDs probably should have been closer (to the MF, not each other), considering how fast they closed in on the Avenger in the following shots.

I also think the reverse bridge shot looks fine, not to mention it should be a lot easier to flip Needa's rank placement than mess with what is outside the window.

On another note: the sounds of the SDs crashing together in the bridge shot could have been the shields of both SDs hitting/repelling each other, as opposed to the physical bulk of the ships making any sort of contact themselves.

 

Monroville, I didn't go all the way and suggest using those actual 'nearer' unused Stardestroyer elements at the time, because the 'cockpit' shot in my above post is approx. 2 secs. long in itself, and then the intervening 'close-ups' of the crew are approx. 10 secs. long, on top of that.  During all this time, the Stardestroyers are coming towards the Falcon at an unknown rate, and the Falcon is certainly heading towards them at quite a rapid rate, as it's chased by the TIEs and 'Avenger' during this approx. 12 secs. 

Another thing to consider, is that during the full shot of that unused Stardestroyers one above, they seem to get 'nearer' to us pretty quickly over the approx. 2 secs. it lasts.  The shot above is the START of that shot, and below is the rest of it, to see what I mean:

The middle of the shot -

The end of the shot -

 

So it's hard to judge if these elements at the START of the shot (levelled off, more in line with each other) would seem too big to use or not, as a starting point in the 'cockpit' shot, at the size that they currently are.  But I do like the idea of how this could look and fit into the overall sequence from a 'visual' standpoint, considering the 'stately' speed of the Stardestroyers in the other shots anyway....only I reckon the 'starting' size should probably have been somewhere between the 2 sizes, to begin with, but I'm happy with whatever Adywan decides himself.

By the way, I really like that idea of yours that the 'crashing' sound is just the noise of the Stardestroyer's SHIELDS coming into contact with each other, rather than them actually coming into contact with each other and scraping the sides of each other.  That would have been good to see on the 'subtitles' rather than [Crash].  :)

On the other hand, if Adywan decides to add a subtle hint of 'debris' floating from the area where they might have actually collided a little, then that is neat too.  The choice is his.   

Yeah, I was aware of how wierd the SDs were moving in that ANH shot.  Even so, the 2 SDs outside the MFs cockpit aren't moving towards the MF at any noticable rate, so Ady could just use the first shot and use CGI to move them forward at the same rate as the originals (which would be not very much at all if any movement).  The point is that by bringing the SDs closer you can see them better visually.

 

A thing I just noticed Monroville, is that I made a 'timing' error in my comments about this whole shot of the small 'Tattooine' Stardestroyers.  I said it lasted approx. 2 secs. long, when it is in fact approx. 4 secs. long.

As this means that the Stardestroyers in that original shot only reach the 'positioning' of the MIDDLE shot above after approx. 2 secs. now, rather than the END shot, which takes another approx. 2 secs. to reach in fact....I think that you are right now, and that Adywan possibly could incorporate these ones into the approx. 2 secs. long Millennium Falcon's 'cockpit windows' shot now (adjusted a little in height perhaps, and placed at a different level when Han first points to them perhaps too), and they would fit in fine with the shot that eventually comes afterwards, which shows the Millenium Falcon starting it's dive downwards.  OR as you suggest, if he is able to 'manipulate' them somewhat, then he can make the ones at the START of the shot above approach at whatever size/speed he decides on, during the approx. 2 secs. that the 'cockpit' shot lasts.

On a side note -  I read somewhere that the Stardestroyer seen during the 18 secs. long 'JEDI' introduction, is supposedly the 'Avenger'....  Can anyone confirm that this is what was truly intended by George, or merely speculation?  Just curious.   

Adywan, while looking at some of this Stardestroyer stuff, I remembered yet another thing I wanted to mention -  During the sequence of the initial 'Imperial Fleet' shots, we see a 'shadowed' Stardestroyer at the bottom-left of the shot below , which is onscreen for several seconds, and which is very dark in places - 

Now because this Stardestroyer element was already used by you in your new 'ANH:R' Death Star 'reveal' (onscreen for shorter, but not 'flipped' into reverse), I wonder if you would consider REPLACING this one in 'Empire', so that it won't stand out as such an obviously 're-used' element by the time we come to it?

Allowing for the fact that you would be able to colour-'match' these different elements together, perhaps you can use something like the Stardestroyer that is shown in the following post below, instead -  

The Stardestroyer seen on the top-left of this shot is almost identical, and lasts for approx. the same amount of seconds onscreen (or more), as the one it would replace!  It also comes far later in the movie, and seems a superior element.

Alternatively, perhaps you can somehow 'fill-in' some of the dark section that is missing from the 'shadowed' Stardestroyer? 

Either way, I reckon it would look a bit better if something could be done to take away from the look of this poorer 'shadowed' one, considering it stays onscreen for so long in 'Empire'....

Just before I go for today Ady -  If you haven't got round to any of your proposed 'lens flares' yet, then there's a new 'Winter Sports' program that starts here this Sunday on BBC2 at 11.30 p.m., that seems to be full of great examples!  It has 'reflections' on show from the snowy peaks of New Zealand, and might have some nice ones for inspiration for you.  Might be worth recording.

I'm hoping to show some 'AT-AT Ground Battle' proposals over the weekend, if I can escape the wife....  ;)  

Since we are on the scene of the three SD's colliding, I thought it would a good time to mention these suggestions (if they haven't been mentioned before).

1. While looking out the front windows of the bridge of the Star Destroyer we should (shouldn't we?) see the main hull of the ship (the nose), but we don't. On the Executor as well, we should most definitely see the hull through the windows since it is much longer.

2. In the interior shot of the Star Destroyers Shield collision, near the bottom of the screen one of the computer console set pieces comes away from the wall and is pushed back into place by the extra.

seven said:

Since we are on the scene of the three SD's colliding, I thought it would a good time to mention these suggestions (if they haven't been mentioned before).

1. While looking out the front windows of the bridge of the Star Destroyer we should (shouldn't we?) see the main hull of the ship (the nose), but we don't. On the Executor as well, we should most definitely see the hull through the windows since it is much longer.

2. In the interior shot of the Star Destroyers Shield collision, near the bottom of the screen one of the computer console set pieces comes away from the wall and is pushed back into place by the extra.

I must confess to not noticing the wonky console before, perhaps rather than trying to stabilise the console it might be more fun to add some sparks and small explosions to create the impression that the vibration that Ady has so skillfully added has caused real damage to the bridge controls.

Ady's attention to detail continues to amaze me and the new captures look truly incredible.

Keep up the good work.

Some type of clip......some type of clip.........ppppppppllllllllleeeeeeeaaaaaassssssss!!!!!

Patience....you must learn patience....  (in best Yoda croak)