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I tend to agree with you Ady about the AT-AT's. I think what might be missing are more AT-ST's! Or maybe a few Tie Fighters flying around for air support? 

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Ripplin said:
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Sevb32 said:

I think we need to think twice about changing those AT-AT driver's hemets, look at this http://web.ukonline.co.uk/bingo275/original%20atat%20helmet.htm

Just add the red stripe or take it off: it's pretty obvious that it's the same cockpit and it would just be consistent.  Do whatever is easier but just keep it consistent.

Yes, very nice. Thanks, Sev. :)

And nice to hear your thoughts on the number of AT-ATs, Ady. It does seem like more of a 'crush the Rebellion with one swift stroke' kind of arrogance only sending a few AT-ATs to get rid of all the Rebels.

With all due respect, that's a load of BS.  Again, if the Empire is going to send a Super Star Destroyer and 10 to 12 regular Star Destroyers, why send an army of "5 friggin AT-ATs"?!?!  Why not send ONE regular Star Destroyer ala the beginning of ANH if the Empire is that overconfident?

And how I ask can you "crush the Rebellion with one swift stroke" with 5 AT-ATs?  That's like knocking down Mike Tyson with one swift stroke... from Gary Coleman!

Look, I understand the visual clutter issue, but if the Empire has an ARMY they are going to use it.  5 AT-ATs does NOT constitute an army!  Now what you CAN do to rectify that is another issue.  Also, if you want just 5 AT-ATs, that's what the OT is all about and Ady's HD torrents.  Granted, there has to be some logic to whatever changes are made, but I thought the whole point of this was to have fun and go for the gold when it comes to "special editionalizing" these things?

Think of it this way: when D-Day happened, did we send 5 landing craft or 500?  Forget about visual impressiveness (which the Empire would do, being that they kinda did it with Death Star 1 and 2 and a giant, frikken Star Destroyer over 10 miles long), the Empire is not going to take a chance on the group of teenagers that blew up the Death Star.

 

         

 “You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”

– Homer Simpson

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gavin77 said:

I tend to agree with you Ady about the AT-AT's. I think what might be missing are more AT-ST's! Or maybe a few Tie Fighters flying around for air support? 

 

No Tie Fighters. The battle is impressive due to the fact the Empire manages to take over the Rebel base with only walkers and no air support (I think). Tie Fighters would be just useless.

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The Empire is known to be too self-confident, it's its weakness. So maybe more AT ATs will be fine, but no TIE fighters or too much added forces. Just my two cents.

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Have drop ships bring in more and more AT-ATs during the battle, in the background beyond their energy shield of course.

Have tie fighters make strafing runs.

have at-sts picking off people

Speeder bikes zipping around

and then once the shield is down have our cruisers create a perimeter while our fighters....wait I mean once the shield is down have the Star Destroyers start hitting stuff from orbit... the base, fleeing ships.

Have the x-wings flying escort engage tie-fighters to give the transports time to get past the Star Destroyers. Have them pwned since its only "two fighters against a star destroyer?"

yah...that would be sweet

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain.
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Tie fighters will be useless against the shields.Like Veers told to Vader.

The X-Wing-Ties idea sounds good.

 

-Angel

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If Snowwalkers can get in under the shields so can Ties

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain.
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AxiaEuxine said:

Have drop ships bring in more and more AT-ATs during the battle, in the background beyond their energy shield of course.

Not this again... NO DROPSHIPS! This isn't the clone wars.

Have tie fighters make strafing runs.

Spacefighters should stay in space. If we're going to start using (agile and fast) TIE Fighters in ground battles, what's the use of using slow AT-ATs?

have at-sts picking off people

meh, maybe in the background. Personally I'd rather see no AT-STs at all, to me they've always looked out of place anyway.

Speeder bikes zipping around

There are speeder bikes in the battle? I don't see why they'd need them...

Have the x-wings flying escort engage tie-fighters to give the transports time to get past the Star Destroyers. Have them pwned since its only "two fighters against a star destroyer?"

This sounds good and has been discussed before, but I have no idea where you could put it.

yah...that would be sweet

It looks like you're after a clone wars battle, but Hoth isn't a war fought by two huge armies, it's just a bunch of rebels being attacked by the Empire. If you give the empire a huge army, where's the suspense? You'll just know the rebels can't win.

I for one don't want to see an orgy of hundreds of ships and explosions. I think the battle is fine as it is, just fix some continuity errors (disapearing walkers/rebels) and it's perfect.

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DarthBo said:
AxiaEuxine said:

Have drop ships bring in more and more AT-ATs during the battle, in the background beyond their energy shield of course.

Not this again... NO DROPSHIPS! This isn't the clone wars.

Have tie fighters make strafing runs.

Spacefighters should stay in space. If we're going to start using (agile and fast) TIE Fighters in ground battles, what's the use of using slow AT-ATs?

have at-sts picking off people

meh, maybe in the background. Personally I'd rather see no AT-STs at all, to me they've always looked out of place anyway.

Speeder bikes zipping around

There are speeder bikes in the battle? I don't see why they'd need them...

Have the x-wings flying escort engage tie-fighters to give the transports time to get past the Star Destroyers. Have them pwned since its only "two fighters against a star destroyer?"

This sounds good and has been discussed before, but I have no idea where you could put it.

yah...that would be sweet

It looks like you're after a clone wars battle, but Hoth isn't a war fought by two huge armies, it's just a bunch of rebels being attacked by the Empire. If you give the empire a huge army, where's the suspense? You'll just know the rebels can't win.

I for one don't want to see an orgy of hundreds of ships and explosions. I think the battle is fine as it is, just fix some continuity errors (disapearing walkers/rebels) and it's perfect.

Umm my whole post was just kind of a joke, very little needs to be done with the battle of Hoth. Buuut let me play devils advocate.

The walkers have to get down there somehow. I doubt they just drop them from orbit bythemselves and rebuild them. lol. And the drops ships are sweeet!

AT-AT's can take much more of a pounding then Tie fighters who can be destroyed by a strong wind. They can also target ground based objectives more easily but a fighter support would always be a plus.

AT-ST are already in Empire but it always seemed like a joke-shot to me, lets give them something serious to do.

AT-AT's carry a compliment of speeders onboard, why wouldnt they use them?

I think the Empire should land in force, its the Empire and they found the main rebel base. Of course they would bring their full might to bare. There isnt going to be any suspence becuase the Rebels are going to get decimated. I mean the movie is called The Empire Strikes Back.

Aside from their needing to be tie fighters that engage the Xwings I really think very little needs to be done in all seriousness...however, I can't deny that I think it would be cool to see my suggestions.

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I think the most that needs to be done is adding in a couple shots of AT-STs going ahead of the AT-ATs to take care of the Rebels in trenches.  I've always wondered why they didn't do that - send the smaller AT-STs ahead to make way for the big AT-ATs.

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adywan said: 

Getting back to ESB, i have been looking at the new Hoth battle footage and i'm really not too sure if adding more AT-AT's is the way to go. I've been thinking and i think that the original amount is perfect. Having just a few AT-At's kick the rebels ass really shows the might of the empire. Adding more in was really just a bit of fanwank really if you think about it. Its something that goes under the category "adding it because we can". It really adds nothing. I will be making the battle more intense but not with extra AT-ATs.

However, although the Hoth ground battle is already great in many ways admittedly, I cannot wait for any little enhancements along the way that you are doing (i.e.- the improved laserblasts, firing Rebel turrets etc.).  There will be other changes no doubt, but having more actual AT-AT's on show is not such a big thing if you decide against it.  Just a thought though, does this mean that you are still initially showing the few extra ones in the initial shot as they come over the ridge, that you already completed?  I hope so, as I think that extra number that you show at the beginning, can easily tie-in with the rest of the existing AT-AT footage as is, quite comfortably.  

 

Just a quick check-in before some serious Hogmanay shenanigans kick in here...  :)

First, an admission! -  In hindsight, my wish above (in bold) to still have Adywan's enhanced reveal shot of nine AT-AT's on show at the beginning was just plain wrong!....because the shot does not fit in as comfortably as I first thought, after all.  

On checking out the whole scene a couple of times since then, it actually doesn't make sense to include it anymore, if Ady has indeed decided not to include any extra additional AT-AT's throughout the whole battle now.  The fact is that we only see two AT-AT's destroyed, and only see three (including General Veer's one) survive the snowspeeder / Luke Skywalker onslaught throughout, with what does indeed seem like only a sum total of five AT-AT's (not counting the AT-ST) onscreen during the scenes on show. 

Therefore, I now hope Ady just uses the original, unenhanced shot of only five AT-AT's coming over the ridge at the start, if he is leaving the actual numbers during the battle as they are. (I've really come round to the removal of the 'red' window glow now, as it seems be too big for the narrow slit of the front AT-AT it was placed on anyway!)  

Personally, I'm more than okay with his latest decision not to add more AT-AT's, as the actual imagery already looks great in the main, and it's a huge ask to expect the work that extra numbers would involve at the end of the day.  Anyway, as Luke comments at one point "That armour's too strong for blasters"-  which indicates the AT-AT's are thought to be mostly impervious to the likes of Rebel snowspeeder fire-power, so the Empire could be confident that five of them (plus an AT-ST) is more than sufficient to reach the Power Generator. 

And on the other hand, more could have been planned (or have been in transit) to be sent down also, in an unseen-by-us 'follow-up wave' to support this first batch at the end of the day, since General Veers tells Vader's hologram "Yes Lord Vader, I've reached the main Power Generators.  The Shield will be down in moments, you may start your landing." 

We didn't see if he came in another AT-AT or 'something else' at the end of the day, since the ground battle cuts to different scenes involving our heroes in-between when that line is said, and when the eventual storming of the Rebel base by Vader and some Imperial Snowtroopers is shown. 

For anyone concerned that there would have been more AT-AT numbers dropped down, it is possible that they arrived from a different direction to the oncoming 5 AT-AT's we see onscreen.  The Rebel base is actually quite big and cavernous overall, with various potential escape routes, so 'another / or other waves' from the many Stardestroyers could conceivably have been dropped 'beyond' the Energy Shield to approach the base from another direction / or other directions too, and we just weren't shown that one / or those ones! 

On the other hand, after General Veers line, Vader and his troops could simply just have arrived in 'something else' from the same direction as the 5 onscreen AT-AT's, when our attention was following the in-between scenes where we followed our heroe's progress, before the base was stormed....  Take your pick.  Either way, I hope that helps.

Regardless, there's no doubt that Adywan will add a lot of little bells and whistles and improvements throughout the existing footage, which will indeed add to the overall 'intensity' of the battle, and that it will end up looking better.  :)

As far as extra AT-ST's go, if he wants to do that, then fine, but the one we see doesn't appear until a good bit later in the battle anyway, suggesting that it might have just been 'dropped off' further back than the rest, and has only caught up now with it's faster moving steps...  Just another thought. 

As far as those interior shots of the AT-AT drivers go, I'm now 100% sure that they are all meant to be inside General Veers AT-AT!  They are certainly edited together that way, being immediately cut next to close-ups of General Veers.  If there had been some kind of shot between the differing helmet colours, then it could be argued that they are meant to be different AT-AT interiors, but the way things stand, they only come across as being General Veer's drivers to me, whether that was the intention or not....  Still would love consistency with all-RED markings, but will just be happy with any consistency if Adywan decides to take the easier route of just removing them.

 

It only remains for me to wish you all a very Happy Year again, and 'may yer lum aye reek' as we say here in Scotland.  Slange!  :)

 

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If you put in a buttload of AT-ST's it would make one wonder how Luke never got shot at by one after he crashed. And then how after an AT-AT is destroyed a group of rebels are all like let's go! and run out there to accomplish what exactly i'm not sure...

At least give that one AT-ST more action.

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This is a sound issue:

As Boba Fett enters the 'dinning' room when Vader says "...glad if you joined us", Boba Fett emerges.

The sound that we hear as he enters the room sound like spurs from cowboy boots. While this does make it a cool entrance, technically, there is nothing on his costume that would make this sound as he walked.

To expand on this, is this 'spur' jingle heard every time we see him walking for consistency?

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adywan said:
ok i have to point out a HUGE problem with using any shots of Jango for Boba Fett in ROTJ. The two costumes are so different. For one it isn't just a case of recolouring the outfit but Bobas armour has a lot of damage on it whereas jangos looks brand new. Adding this texturing to Jangos costume is impossible. Not only that but if you look at the two photos you will see other differences. jango has 2 holsters and Boba has none. Boba has a cape and jango doesn't. They both use different weapons.The belt is different. Jango has leg & shin armour and boba has none. Different boots and probably more but i can't be bothered with spot the difference any more. lol

The whole skiff battle will have some re-edits done to it and i want to change Bobas death if i actually keep him in the movie but using Jango for footage just isn't an option. Anyway this is the ESB thread and ROTJ isn't even going to be started until 2010 so maybe we should get back on topic. lol ;)

This is common for all the OT Star Wars films. No two movies are identical in any one thing. Case and point, the ESB Fett is completely different when compared to the ROTJ Fett. As far as Jango Vs Boba, while the overall 'look' is similar, nothing is identical. You would have better luck finding someone who has a Fan-made costume and reshoot what you want.

I would also have to point out that particular Boba Fett costume photo isn't the one we see in either ESB or ROTJ. It is the second pre-production costume. It went through significant changes before filming of ESB (especially the color, paint, damage etc.). However some parts of the pre-production costume was used for ROTJ.

 

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seven said:

This is a sound issue:

As Boba Fett enters the 'dinning' room when Vader says "...glad if you joined us", Boba Fett emerges.

The sound that we hear as he enters the room sound like spurs from cowboy boots. While this does make it a cool entrance, technically, there is nothing on his costume that would make this sound as he walked.

To expand on this, is this 'spur' jingle heard every time we see him walking for consistency?

That i bet could be one of those Easter Eggs if intentional, as Lucas loved serials from the 30's and such maybe he did that as a nod to the weekly cowboy thing.

 

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Oh, since we're on the Boba Fett voice thing, wanna see the guy who did the voice in the OT?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8KGZfSCI1E

Fast forward to 1:50 exactly, he's the doctor you see on the phone from his office.

LOL, seriously, look it up if you don't believe me. :D

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That "We would be honered if you would join us line..."

Always thought how great it would be that when they cut back to Cloud City, there all at the table tying on the feed bag.....

 

(Han scooping macaroni salad onto his plate while Vader watches, Han then holds the bowl and spoon over Vader's plate.)

Vader: Wait, is that green onion?....no I can't have that.

(Boba Fett holding a dinner roll, glancing around.)

Fett: No one gave me a margarine.

(Leia rolls her eyes)

Leia: Here just take mine.

(Tosses it to Fett, Fett gives it a sniff then begins to butter his roll.)

(Lando mid eating glances at Han)

Lando: You got a good woman here Han, don't be cheap and pull that "gotta use the bathroom when the check comes shit".

Han: Yeah Yeah

Vader: I can make a pear float....

(Awkward silence, Vader glances down at the table.)

Vader: .....Well I can....

 

Sorry guys, it's new years and I'm bored of the twilight zone marathon. :P

EDIT: Someone just told me Robot Chicken did a dinner scene. :P
Damn, anyone have a link?

 

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http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=8a2505951d8bc25a011d9d995f5d015c

Also,

http://www.adultswim.com/shows/robotchicken/indexpage.html#video

Put in page 3 in the box on the top right and start with "The Rebels Won".  Those are all the clips from the second Robot Chicken SW Special.

And, as far as this whole Boba in ROTJ issue is concerned...

http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=8a2505951d8bc25a011d9d9e53110178

My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.

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Yeah,

Kinda expected Robot Chicken to go the juvenile route with their dinner scene, but they are on the cartoon network so can't blame them, and all their stuff is genius in it's own way.

Guess I always go for the surreal dry angle in humor.

Just the fact is my little bit theirs a more candid awkwardness. Hehe

Can't wait to see if Family Guy does their own bit on it when their Episode V parody premieres.

:D

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JediMasterFisher said:

family guy is doing empire? HECK YES!

 

 ohh yea!!! btw, the ships landed outside the energy feild and entered through. it also said that the energy sheild was strong enough to protect against any bombardment. hey? after the sheilds down should there be a bombardment since its mentioned.

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rcb said:
JediMasterFisher said:

family guy is doing empire? HECK YES!

 

 ohh yea!!! btw, the ships landed outside the energy feild and entered through. it also said that the energy sheild was strong enough to protect against any bombardment. hey? after the sheilds down should there be a bombardment since its mentioned.

Good call.