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I’m glad there’s a sane moderator in all this, thank you. I mean that, I’m not being snarky.

The thing is I very rarely actually defend the PT, or the SE. On the contrary I regularly agree with a lot of the negativity surrounding them to some extent, but the fact that you cannot say anything positive about them without having five people reign down on you about how “wrong” you are and refusing any sort of actual debate just gets tiring and frustrating after a while.

I know I’ve been unreasonable and probably should have thought longer before posting some of my remarks (which is usually why I end up editing them).
I wouldn’t care about Frinks remarks if it wasn’t so hypocritical.
You cannot sit there insulting people and then cry when someone insults you. It’s immature and while yeah, insulting someone is never good regardless, how can you expect to be taken seriously when it’s “one rule for me, another for you”?

I’m not here to have arguments and yell at people, I’m here to discuss things, usually changes in different versions adn my opinions on them. However I can’t count the number of times myself and other people have been shot down and ridiculed just for discussing things; entire threads derailed because some of the “older” members act like a gang of cronies who have to crap all over everyone who mentions something they may not like.
It’s as if everything anyone says around here anymore is just another excuse to complain.
It’s gotten tiring and I’m not the only one who’s sick of it.

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Ryan-SWI said:

I’m glad there’s a sane moderator in all this, thank you. I mean that, I’m not being snarky.

I mostly stayed out of the controversy with you yesterday. You started out kind of reasonable. Other people were sort of dicks, yes, but you kind of managed to top them all and subjected yourself to the same kind of uncritical thinking you were condemning. But I know how these things escalate and I’ve done the same, hence my staying out.

The thing is I very rarely actually defend the PT, or the SE. On the contrary I regularly agree with a lot of the negativity surrounding them to some extent, but the fact that you cannot say anything positive about them without having five people reign down on you about how “wrong” you are and refusing any sort of actual debate just gets tiring and frustrating after a while.

I have some positive things to say about both as well. I would have more for the SE if the OOT were not suppressed from release. I don’t generally discuss those things here. Part of that is just about knowing a community and what topics can result in valuable discussion vs. not. You might not get valuable discussion about the SE here if you defend aspects. You will more likely get an argument (same as PT/SE critique on other sites). So, expect that unless your goal is just to go down fighting. The site isn’t perfect or unbiased, but it’s quite functional for its actual goals.

I know I’ve been unreasonable and probably should have thought longer before posting some of my remarks (which is usually why I end up editing them).
I wouldn’t care about Frinks remarks if it wasn’t so hypocritical.
You cannot sit there insulting people and then cry when someone insults you. It’s immature and while yeah, insulting someone is never good regardless, how can you expect to be taken seriously when it’s “one rule for me, another for you”?

If you’ve been lurking since 2010, you might have noticed that there are a few topics that will rile him up. But there’s one specific word that is the doomsday button. You either missed that topic or pressed the button.

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Ryan-SWI said:

I’m glad there’s a sane moderator in all this, thank you. I mean that, I’m not being snarky.

Hmmm…I wonder how the other moderators feel about that.

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towne32 said:

If you’ve been lurking since 2010, you might have noticed that there are a few topics that will rile him up. But there’s one specific word that is the doomsday button. You either missed that topic or pressed the button.

You forgot the abortion button. :p

Funny thing is, I used to sort of enjoy the PT (in proper fanedited form) but the recent comments from newbies about the PT being better than TFA, and even somehow the OT, have really soured me on them to the point that I can’t take them seriously anymore.

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towne32 said:

Frink teases fairly relentlessly. I used to share your view, somewhat, but his jokes are generally playful. I agree that it’s very easy for newbs to get the wrong idea and see it as hostile. He lays it on a bit too much, too often. And I agree that he often does it in lieu of saying anything meaningful. But there’s an obvious difference between him and the people spouting homophobic, misogynistic, racist nonsense.

What you say is fair, and in all honesty I’ve been less playful and more angry over the past several months, but I think a lot of it has to do with the previously-discussed newbie PT lovers.

Also because Trump.

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Obviously I meant “moderator” as in a neutral stance at this point in time, not a literal moderator of the site.

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Seriously, I hate them just as much as you do. I don’t care if someone wants to call the PT the best thing ever, but I take issue when they start attacking the OT or members for preferring the OT, or intentionally making vicious remarks to rile people up.
I legitimately regret making the comment that aggravated you, and making it in the first place was stupid and immature, but I’ve admittedly become very stressed and tired of seeing nothing but negativity and bitterness from everyone here so I snapped.

Not making excuses, just explaining myself.

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towne32 said:

It will be sad to lose you.

However, I have definitely been thinking the same thing, lately. Though it’s not related to the specific incident you describe, TFA brought in a huge influx of trolls and bigots. The latter have been especially loud in recent times, as they feel that they are standing up for themselves as the ‘anti-PC’, when 2+ years ago we would have just called them regular assholes (most of us still do). I still really like talking about the technical stuff with everyone here, but there’s no doubt that it’s becoming an increasingly unpleasant place. If I don’t leave, or at least take a break, I’ll probably see myself banned for a response of mine.

That’s partly the reason i need to take a step back away from this site. I’ve got a lot going on at the moment which is causing me a lot of stress. I have some serious financial problems that i can’t see being able to sort out any time soon. Then there is the added pressure of finishing the edit. People have waited way too long for me to finish this and i don’t want to keep disappointing them, especially when its so close to being finished. It is all getting on top of me. Coming here used to be a way for me to de-stress. To have fun and discuss topics with like minded people. But that seems to have gone lately. It’s one big argument after another and not in the fun way. I’m finding that its all just got too much for me and that i have started to find the slightest thing is making me feel angry and aggressive towards certain people. That is not me and i really don’t mean to be that way. The last time i felt this way was when my parents died and i snapped at the slightest thing and fell out with people who really didn’t deserve to be spoken to like i did at the time. If i don’t leave now i could end up saying or doing something i regret. Maybe if i can sort out the problems in my life i can go back to the way i was and not let all the crap happening here get to me so much. But something needed to be done.

But the last thing i want is for people to leave this site just because i’m stepping back. Hopefully the crap will stop. I love this site. i have had many great times here with everyone. A few bad apples wouldn’t usually make me feel the need to leave, but it has become just too much. Jay and all the mods here have always been nothing but fair and i apologise for my recent outburst. Something needed to be said though. But today will be my last day here. At least for the foreseeable future. I’d rather remember this site for all the good times and great people than for the crap thats been going on lately. It has nothing to do with newbies coming to the site, but more about the attitudes. we have had new members coming thoughout my time here and 99% of the time they have been welcomed with open arms. But now it seems like a majority of the latest influx is only here to be assholes. At least, in the past, when someone had gone too far with something they have said, they have apologised and let things move on. Hell, there have been many fallings out yet most seem to be able to be resolved quite quickly and things just moved on. now it seems that its one fight after another that just escalates and never dies. Not the best place for me to be right now.

so, i’m going to step back, finish this bottle of Southern Comfort and prey to vader ( i’m not religious 😉 ) that i can sort this financial shit out sooner rather than later and start feeling myself once again ( and not in an imperialscum doing his taxes sort of way 😉 )

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You know, ANH: Revisited was what brought me into this. Sorry to hear about Adywan’s choice, but at least i can still follow his projects via other means, it is amazing work he does.

JEDIT: *this means this site, not this discussion, which i am certainly out of the loop on

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Ryan-SWI said:

Seriously, I hate them just as much as you do. I don’t care if someone wants to call the PT the best thing ever, but I take issue when they start attacking the OT or members for preferring the OT, or intentionally making vicious remarks to rile people up.

Makes sense to me. The prevalent TFA (a movie I quite like) bashing has me re-thinking my approach to discussing the PT with folks who like it. In both cases there are legitimate criticisms muddled together with people who take immense pride in telling someone why something they like is shit. It makes sense that PT fans have become so defensive.

Ady: definitely take some time off. Stress is a killer. You don’t owe anyone anything. So take as much time as you need to finish your projects. No one here will mind.

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This is as sad day. I don’t blame you Ady, I think many of us have been feeling the same way. A lot of fun has been sucked out of the forum by dumb drama and bigots. I sincerely hope you one day decide to rejoin us here. We will all miss you, man. (I swear I can hear taps playing in the distance)

In the meantime, am I correct to assume that the Revisited Facebook page will be the main place to go for updates on you and your projects?

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adywan said:

so, i’m going to step back, finish this bottle of Southern Comfort and prey to vader ( i’m not religious 😉 ) that i can sort this financial shit out sooner rather than later and start feeling myself once again ( and not in an imperialscum doing his taxes sort of way 😉 )

Legitimate lol.

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Ryan-SWI said:

Obviously I meant “moderator” as in a neutral stance at this point in time, not a literal moderator of the site.

Perhaps this is a lesson for me as well, but things you think are obvious are not so for others. Unless you are Ric Olie, of course.

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Ryan-SWI said:

Seriously, I hate them just as much as you do. I don’t care if someone wants to call the PT the best thing ever, but I take issue when they start attacking the OT or members for preferring the OT, or intentionally making vicious remarks to rile people up.
I legitimately regret making the comment that aggravated you, and making it in the first place was stupid and immature, but I’ve admittedly become very stressed and tired of seeing nothing but negativity and bitterness from everyone here so I snapped.

Not making excuses, just explaining myself.

If this is an apology, I accept, and I will apologize in turn for dragging things out and calling you names. As has been pointed out, I have a few hot button issues and you happened to have pushed one, intentionally or not.

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TV’s Frink said:
What you say is fair, and in all honesty I’ve been less playful and more angry over the past several months, but I think a lot of it has to do with the previously-discussed newbie PT lovers.

Also because Trump.

Why did they let him become President, of all people? …he’s the cause of every trouble of mine.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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FrankT said:

TV’s Frink said:
What you say is fair, and in all honesty I’ve been less playful and more angry over the past several months, but I think a lot of it has to do with the previously-discussed newbie PT lovers.

Also because Trump.

Why did they let him become President

“Not…yet…”

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Yeah, well… the way people go on about him, he might as well be.

Anyway, I’m sorry. It’s not like I end up in these arguments on a regular basis. But falling into this one hurt the most; I need time to heal. I’ll probably come back when Empire DeEd 2.5 comes out, whenever that is.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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I’d like to compliment adywan on his work and contributions to this site both through his edits and commentary.

The Person in Question

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Ryan, I want to say that you wrote some reasonable comments in other threads and I didn’t mean picking at you specifically for defending something from the prequels. My main gripe was the claim of it being an objective issue and the consecutive hivemind and groupthink comments. I’m really sorry that things escalated, since the topic of that thread was rather interesting.

And most importantly, I also want to say a big thanks to adywan, both for your projects and for your contributions in the General Star Wars section. It’s really sad that you have to take such a drastic step and I wish you well.
This said, I don’t hope for you to change your mind and come back to a place that you don’t like anymore, instead I hope for this site to become again what it used to be so that you actually want to return. Until then:

Ceci n’est pas une signature.

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Adywan, well the sun is out and summer seems to be coming to England. What a great opportunity to get away from it all for a few days, have a little adventure camping down in Dorset or somewhere nice. Only one rule - no tech. No phones, no tablets, no screens. Take a walk round Corfe Castle, visit Durdle Door or swim at Lulworth Cove. No human being can be stressed there. You will come back a new man.

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Aww, this happened just a few days after I made my first post on this thread… Really bad timing on my part.

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Booman said:

Aww, this happened just a few days after I made my first post on this thread… Really bad timing on my part.

COINCIDENCE???

😃

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Really sad to see what has happened here. I rarely post, although I’ve been following TESB:R ever since Ady announced it way back in… 2007? 2008?

Speaking from experience, I can understand that when you already have troubles piling upon you, the last thing you need is to have your hobby project become a source of irritation.

Ady, Thank you for all the great work you’ve put into Revisited, and for spoiling us here over the years! It was a pleasure to see each update on the project. Thumbs up you’ll release it eventually! And that your troubles will soon be behind you!

Where can I follow Revisited now…? 😦

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Well this sucks. Ady, so sorry to see you go, but I do of course understand your reasons. I hope you get the break you need and I also hope you manage to sort out your financial problems swiftly.

Like many others, I would like to thank you sincerely for all the magnificent and selfless work you have already put into the Revisited project, and all that you continue do in the future. Your brilliant efforts are very much appreciated, and not just by me. Your work is loved around the world because you put so much passion into it, and I am sure the silent majority here are just as much behind you as I am.

Good luck, and thank you again.