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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - AVAILABLE NOW — Page 123

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Ok, another audio tweak...one that I didn't see listed in the Suggestion Terminal thread.

At the end of the Asteroid Chase, Han says "I'm going in closer to one of the big ones" and the group says "Closer?"  "Closer?"  "Rowwrlr?".  Right after that, in the GOUT, 3PO says "Oh, this is suicide."  In the '04, he says "Oh, this is suicide.  There's nowhere to go."

Personally, I prefer the GOUT version, as the additional line feels squeezed in there.

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Hmmmmm, ponder on this I will.

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I started watching ESB on Spike TV last night, and I wanted to make a comment. I'm not sure if this is the same thing as discussed at #35 on "the list", but one thing that bugged me was the impact of the probe droids on Hoth. The first one burns bright red and the angle of impact does not look right. And with the second PD impact, it does not burn red as it looks washed out.

Anyone else agree?

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SithTrooper -  You will be pleased to know that Adywan has already greatly improved on this.  See one of the 'Previews' on page 1 of this thread.

 BTW -  I've come back today to find that I can only get as far as post #3042 by asterisk8 on page 122, but then resume okay on page 123 (this page) at post #3051 by Ripplin.  I've checked this on a friend's laptop, and it's the same on his.  Is this the issue that Ripplin and Molly are referring to?  And more importantly, what have I missed in those 8 posts I can't see?  Thanks for any help.

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ImperialFighter said:

SithTrooper -  You will be pleased to know that Adywan has already greatly improved on this.  See one of the 'Previews' on page 1 of this thread.

 BTW -  I've come back today to find that I can only get as far as post #3042 by asterisk8 on page 122, but then resume okay on page 123 (this page) at post #3051 by Ripplin.  I've checked this on a friend's laptop, and it's the same on his.  Is this the issue that Ripplin and Molly are referring to?  And more importantly, what have I missed in those 8 posts I can't see?  Thanks for any help.

 

 what, you mean you DIDNT HEAR ABOUT ADYWANS NEW IMPROVEMENTS !!!!!!!!!!!

 

you just missed the biggest announcment on this board !!!!!!!!!

 

just kidding, i have no idea either, it's a glitch with the forum software..

 

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That problem rears its ugly head again... Very strange. Might want to PM one of the people in charge of the site. They may know what's going on.

Oh, and Spike has been on a serious Star Wars binge the last couple of months, huh?! I guess they're gonna play them to death while they have the rights to. But it kinda reminds me of TBS, which played some movies (like "Zoolander", not that that's a bad thing) ad nauseum!

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When I was a kid, TBS's showing of the Trilogy during thanksgiving or christmas (or both, I forget which) was always one of the highlights of my holiday season.

 

By the way, Bingowings,

 

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Bobocop said:

 

When I was a kid, TBS's showing of the Trilogy during thanksgiving or christmas (or both, I forget which) was always one of the highlights of my holiday season.

 

By the way, Bingowings,

 

Indeed it does but as much as I would like to take credit for the hardwork of others that was asterisk8 who did those there shots, I was merely commenting on them.

 

I did shoot the sheriff though and the deputy too.

 

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Has anyone ever noticed the footprints in the snow when the Probe droid impacts Hoth? Must have been someone from the pyrotecnics crew walking up there to set the charges?  All this talk about Hoth and the probe droid jogged my memory.

 

I also noticed in the asteroid chase when 3p0 says the odds are 3720 to 1, then Han says "never tell me the odds". Han slightly mouths 3p0's lines there.

 

After reading what I just posted, I thought 'My God are we Anal!' LOL

 

Not sure if that has been mentioned.....sorry if it has.

 

Flan

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Bingowings said:
Bobocop said:

 

By the way, Bingowings,

Indeed it does but as much as I would like to take credit for the hardwork of others that was asterisk8 who did those there shots, I was merely commenting on them.

 

 

What 'reflection shots'?  I think these must have been in the 8 posts that I can't see....  What were they concerning?

 

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darthflan said:

Has anyone ever noticed the footprints in the snow when the Probe droid impacts Hoth? Must have been someone from the pyrotecnics crew walking up there to set the charges? All this talk about Hoth and the probe droid jogged my memory.

 

I also noticed in the asteroid chase when 3p0 says the odds are 3720 to 1, then Han says "never tell me the odds". Han slightly mouths 3p0's lines there.

 

After reading what I just posted, I thought 'My God are we Anal!' LOL

 

Not sure if that has been mentioned.....sorry if it has.

 

Flan

Yeah, Harrison seemed to have that issue in this movie. He does the same thing to Carrie Fisher during the line, "Captain, being held by you isn't quite enough to get me excited."

 

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Adywan, I was thinking, when you get to ROTJ, there are a ton of continuity errors and things IMO that need to be addressed. Like the Emperor's throne room window. We see the battle with the star destroyers and the rebel fleet happening before the fleet merged together in that window. It would be nice to include Endore in the veiw of the window and subtley moving to work in continuity of the Death Star orbiting the moon. To make Endore an official moon, you should also show another bigger planet in the distance to make Endore an actual moon. I suggest you check imdb.com for continiuty errors listed for the movies on that site before you indulge in you edit of the film. There are a lot, so I hope you will be up to the challenge!

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Janskeet said:

Adywan, I was thinking, when you get to ROTJ, there are a ton of continuity errors and things IMO that need to be addressed. Like the Emperor's throne room window. We see the battle mixed with the star destroyers and the rebel fleet happening before the fleet merged together. It would be nice to include Endore in the veiw of the window and subtley moving as the movie progresses to work in continuity of the Death Star orbiting the moon. To make Endore an official moon, you should also show another bigger planet in the distance to make Endore an actual moon. I suggest you check imdb.com for continiuty errors listed for the movies on that site before you indulge in you edit of the film. There are a lot, so I hope you will be up to the challenge!

 

 you might want to check here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-and-ROTJ-Wishlist/topic/8826/

 

before you keep constantly posting stuff about 'ROTJ' here in the 'ESB' thread.

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ImperialFighter said:

What 'reflection shots'?  I think these must have been in the 8 posts that I can't see....  What were they concerning?

 

 

ImperialFighter, I think you're talking about a post of mine. I did a comparison of the Cloud City "balcony" and a rough mock-up I made of how it might be fixed.

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I was looking at the 2004 CG Cloud City balcony shot. I think it really looks terrible.

a. The balcony is too low. It comes up to about thigh-height. That is just not safe.

b. The reflection is way too clear. Especially of the balcony walls and the sky. The left side of the floor has an almost mirror finish.

c. The biggest errors are the gang's reflections. In the reflection, the three are translucent. You can see the balcony behind them! Take a look:

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6335/cloudcitybalcony01xq8.th.jpg

That's not how reflections work, and it's one of the best examples of the lazy CG work done for these special editions. A professional CG artist should know that you can't see through a person's reflection.

The truth is, I'd rather see the wall put back in place (maybe a window) in adywan's edit, but if he wants to keep this shot, it needs some work.

So here's my quick-n-dirty mock-up of how I think the shot would look better. It's not the best Photshopping, but it gets the point across. Open both up in two tabs and flip back and forth to get the full effect.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6580/cloudcitybalcony02xj0.th.jpg

 

 

 

 

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Hey, great job on that rough mock up with the reflection asterisk8.

There, now I gave the correct person credit for it. I feel better :)

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asterisk8 -  thanks for getting me up to date with what I missed due to that page glitch.  You made a very good job of the 'balcony' shot. 

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Thanks, Bobocop and ImperialFighter. I had the easy part; it's one screenshot. I'll let adywan figure out how to achieve the same in motion!

I just can't believe that artists working for ILM would make a person's reflection transparent. That's basic stuff. Did they have high school interns doing this SE work? Is that how Vader ended up with a pink light saber and Yoda's skin turned the color of Hi-C Ecto Cooler? Was there an intern directing Hayden Christensen to leer like a sexual predator for his force ghost?

Or is what really happened that they did all of this SE work in a weekend?

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http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6335/cloudcitybalcony01xq8.th.jpg

I never liked how this shot looked either. It always bugged me how there seemed to be a obvious line down the center where the existing shot was put next to the new shot. The colors and lighting just doesn't match. All the super orange mirror reflection just abruptly ends and the old white floor starts. Even the pattern in the floor does not line up.

I think that as far as appropriate lighting for this shot, the orange reflection should completely go and be replaced with the original white floor, with reflections intact. The 'sun' appears to me to be setting, so its light should be coming from the bottom of the screen and shinning up (kind of like the background shows). However, the reflection on the ground implies that the sun is higher in the sky, shinning down on the floor.

But even if the 'sun' was shinning directly across (i.e. it is level with the floor), it would be blocked by all the buildings off to the left that are off screen and still wouldn't be seen in this shot.  However if it was the tallest building in Bespin to escape this detail, the sun would be reflecting all the way across the floor and not stop half way.

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asterisk8 said:

new guy here. I really enjoyed ANH:Revisited, which I've watched 3 times in the last week. I want to contribute in some way. I have an idea I'm still fleshing out. Hold for procrastination until such date as I can catch up with myself.

Anyway, I'm still working my way through all 122 pages of this mammoth thread, so apologies for repeating what may have already been dealt with, but I wanted to mention something I just noticed.

The few exterior shots of the Echo Base hangar door in the beginning could use a little fog obscuring the view into the hanger, and maybe some billowing out. Nothing major or obvious. Subtle. It's warmer inside the hanger, right? The interior shot of Han trotting in on his tauntaun has that misty quality of a warmer interior space that's open to the colder exterior. But the exterior shot immediately before it lacks realism because it lacks the high-to-low pressure movement of that water vapor. Even obscured behind adywan's excellent personnel restructuring, that extra bit of environmental effect would really help to sell this shot.

And thanks, adywan! Thanks for putting in all the hard work for those of us without the talent! Instead we can just sit around and catalogue our every whim for you to realize!

 

(Edit: I realize this would be harder in, for example, the shot of Threepio and R2 waiting for Luke. Or am I wrong in thinking the hanger is warmer than the outside? Or am I wrong in thinking that would create vapor billowing out of the hangar door? Maybe the temp. difference is not large enough.)

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adywan,

A couple issues regarding the Cloud City processing vane. You say, " As for the vane it is a bit of a design flaw. I think that Luke was supposed to have reached there through the long tunnel but they put the support pole in the wrong position on the matte which caused confusion."

I knew I'd seen a cutaway in a book somewhere, so I did some looking around and found this:

 

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/4959/23cloudcityprocessi0024pt4.th.jpg

You can see that the long tunnel is actually a tram-tunnel probably intended to carry cargo back and forth from the city to the processing plant in the vane. The carbonite chamber is at the very top, and it seems to me that the lighted tube Luke walks through is all within the upper part of that vane, and not in the support arm. That should save you some trouble repainting the matte.

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Also, when Luke exits the tunnel, a large gate closes behind him, but when we see the same tunnel entrance from a different angle a few seconds later, the gate is open.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1722/esbtunneldoorqz7.th.jpg

asterix8, some nice ideas here.

I had a look at the entrance shots to the hangar on Hoth and, if you look at the inside shots where you see the entrance (the one where Han returns on the Taun Taun and the other when the speeders return after finding Han & Luke) there seems to be quite a bit of vapour in the hangar. this could mean that the cold air is meeting the warm air inside the hangar therefore you probably wouldn't see any emerging outside of the hangar because the tempratuter is already close to the same by the doors as it is outside.

Now to Cloud city. one thing that always bugged me when i saw the cross-sections is where the carbon chamber is supposed to be. Now if you look quickly at the shot where Luke is about to enter the tunnel after knocking Vader off the ledge you can see he has just climbed down a ladder, so i guess that is where the carbon chamber is supposed to eb. The problem is that in the matte painting of the vane the dome at the top is just too small to house the chamber. that needs to be larger, so i'm going to do something about that

As for the gate being open, i never spotted that. thanks

That cloud city corridor was one of the worse FX additions done in the whole SE trilogy. Not only were the shadows transparent but the rotoscoping done on the character was really below par too. Thats one shot that really needs fixing

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I can remember at the very end of Empire when all the Rebel ships are at the nebula at the end just before the credits, I can remember seeing them all jump to light speed just before the credits rolled.

We already covered that earlier in this thread.  It never happened, it was just some people's imaginations feeding off of each other.

You are wrong.

The movie ended with a concentric wipe. The setting in space is replaced with the black background of the end credits.

The wipe gives the effect that the ships went to lightspeed - if you don't look close enough.
So, those who remember it, do remember it correctly, they just perceived it wrong to start with.

Yes, this was covered before, and I did write the same explanation back then, but I see that several people did not get it. The wipe was (also) in the OOT. You can verify that for yourselves!

I would very much like the wipe to be restored in this edit.

The wipe may be very slightly different but it has never given the effect that the ships shoot off into hyperspace. people are remembering  things the same way as they do about seeing luke missing with the grappling hook or seeing the Luke/biggs tatooine footage in the movie when it was in theatres.

Well work officially restarts on ESB:R tomorrow as my EPIV AVCHD is now done. I'm going to finish the last section of the colour correction then jump right into the FX work.

 

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Darn form glitch won't let me see what you said Ady?

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