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Ziz said:
Tons O' Fun said:

I can remember at the very end of Empire when all the Rebel ships are at the nebula at the end just before the credits, I can remember seeing them all jump to light speed just before the credits rolled.

We already covered that earlier in this thread.  It never happened, it was just some people's imaginations feeding off of each other.

You are wrong.

The movie ended with a concentric wipe. The setting in space is replaced with the black background of the end credits.

The wipe gives the effect that the ships went to lightspeed - if you don't look close enough.
So, those who remember it, do remember it correctly, they just perceived it wrong to start with.

Yes, this was covered before, and I did write the same explanation back then, but I see that several people did not get it. The wipe was (also) in the OOT. You can verify that for yourselves!

I would very much like the wipe to be restored in this edit.

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new guy here. I really enjoyed ANH:Revisited, which I've watched 3 times in the last week. I want to contribute in some way. I have an idea I'm still fleshing out. Hold for procrastination until such date as I can catch up with myself.

Anyway, I'm still working my way through all 122 pages of this mammoth thread, so apologies for repeating what may have already been dealt with, but I wanted to mention something I just noticed.

The few exterior shots of the Echo Base hangar door in the beginning could use a little fog obscuring the view into the hanger, and maybe some billowing out. Nothing major or obvious. Subtle. It's warmer inside the hanger, right? The interior shot of Han trotting in on his tauntaun has that misty quality of a warmer interior space that's open to the colder exterior. But the exterior shot immediately before it lacks realism because it lacks the high-to-low pressure movement of that water vapor. Even obscured behind adywan's excellent personnel restructuring, that extra bit of environmental effect would really help to sell this shot.

And thanks, adywan! Thanks for putting in all the hard work for those of us without the talent! Instead we can just sit around and catalogue our every whim for you to realize!

 

(Edit: I realize this would be harder in, for example, the shot of Threepio and R2 waiting for Luke. Or am I wrong in thinking the hanger is warmer than the outside? Or am I wrong in thinking that would create vapor billowing out of the hangar door? Maybe the temp. difference is not large enough.)

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asterisk8 said:

new guy here. I really enjoyed ANH:Revisited, which I've watched 3 times in the last week. I want to contribute in some way. I have an idea I'm still fleshing out. Hold for procrastination until such date as I can catch up with myself.

Anyway, I'm still working my way through all 122 pages of this mammoth thread, so apologies for repeating what may have already been dealt with, but I wanted to mention something I just noticed.

The few exterior shots of the Echo Base hangar door in the beginning could use a little fog obscuring the view into the hanger, and maybe some billowing out. Nothing major or obvious. Subtle. It's warmer inside the hanger, right? The interior shot of Han trotting in on his tauntaun has that misty quality of a warmer interior space that's open to the colder exterior. But the exterior shot immediately before it lacks realism because it lacks the high-to-low pressure movement of that water vapor. Even obscured behind adywan's excellent personnel restructuring, that extra bit of environmental effect would really help to sell this shot.

And thanks, adywan! Thanks for putting in all the hard work for those of us without the talent! Instead we can just sit around and catalogue our every whim for you to realize!

 

(Edit: I realize this would be harder in, for example, the shot of Threepio and R2 waiting for Luke. Or am I wrong in thinking the hanger is warmer than the outside? Or am I wrong in thinking that would create vapor billowing out of the hangar door? Maybe the temp. difference is not large enough.)

Great idea *8.  I'm not sure its necessary because it may be just as cold in the base as it is out, but the effect would be interesting to see.

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doubleofive said:

    Great idea *8.  I'm not sure its necessary because it may be just as cold in the base as it is out, but the effect would be interesting to see.



Thanks 005. I grew curious about this issue (having never thought about it till today :) ), so I bothered Google and he says that StarWars.com says "Hoth's daytime temperature high hovers around -32 degrees standard." Pretty cold to keep the hangar at that temp, don't you think? It has to be warmer in there. Even without heaters, all the ships, the people, and the activity would bring up the temperature enough to cause moisture vapor near the entrance. I'll add a "methinks" to that, because I'm just contemplating.

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I want to add something to the discussion about Shadowman99's pictures of the Millennium Falcon evading the Star Destroyer after leaving Hoth. I think he had a point, which I hope I can clear up a bit.

Given the size of the MF compared the SD, I agree with ImperialFighter (#2798), that in this shot,

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5930/falconsize03ia4.th.jpg

the Millennium Falcon is ahead of, and above, the Star Destroyer's prow. In fact, I would argue it's about 400 meters in front of, and 100 m above, the SD's prow. Were the Millennium Falcon any closer to the Star Destroyer, and the camera just in front of the MF, the full width of the SD would not fit on the screen. That leads me to believe that the depth of this shot has been flattened somewhat as if it were shot from a distance with a telephoto lens. (See Akira Kurosawa's RAN for beautiful examples of telephoto composition.) Consequently, the MF looks closer to the SD than it actually is, and seems to pass underneath the camera, when it really just moves out of frame. Here's a side-comparison I made which illustrates the my estimated distance:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9906/falconsize01hs1.th.gif

That would mean that in the next shot,

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3736/falconsize04kx0.th.jpg

the Millennium Falcon is far too close to the Super Destroyer when it enters the frame. Here I have to disagree with ImperialFighter and side with Shadowman99, and say that given the speed with which the Star Destroyer closes that distance, the Falcon and the TIEs can only have come from underneath it. I've adjusted the previous screenshot to demonstrate where I think the MF should be:

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/4961/falconsize05bw1.th.jpg

Obviously, it's not a very exciting shot. Shadowman99's idea of flipping the prow isn't a bad idea, except that it enters the screen too quickly given my distance estimate. It would have to be delayed until just before the shot ends. The two Star Destroyers the MF are heading toward could be added to the shot to spice it up. Here's how I see the last frame of the shot looking:

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/125/falconmockupoz8.th.jpg

Everything doesn't have to be lined up, necessarily, because the Star Destroyer seems to be listing to its left a bit in the first shot, and Han is certainly not traveling in a straight line. During the intervening cockpit shot, you can imagine that Han has veered to the left toward the Star Destroyers, and dropped below the fighters before doing his nose dive, planning all along to drive the Destroyers into one another.

 

Edited many times over the last two hours for coherence and to add the last screenshot. That's it for me for tonight. Thanks for letting me contribute!

Edited again to fix the side-view where I wrote 16,000 m instead of 1,600 m.

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I don't think there was much of a temperature difference in the hanger (or the rest of the base). 

1.  Everyone is wearing heavy coats.

2.  Recall the dialog between R2 and 3P0 right before they tell Han Luke is missing.  Apparently R2 raised the temperature in Leia's quarters and it started to melt. 3P0's line is "It's supposed to be freezing"

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Sorry to drag this off into a side-debate about the temperature of Echo Base, but it would have to be warmer inside Echo Base than -32 degrees (-60 at night). Celsius or Farenheit, that's too cold for people to live and work. That's about as cold as Antarctica.

It doesn't look warm and toasty inside Echo Base, probably -12 degrees Celsius. So my question is, at the threshold of the hangar door, would the -32 degree air meeting the -12 degree air produce any kind of visible water vapor, or is it too cold?

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Ok.....what is Ady up too. I think he's been sneaking around and doing tons of work on this project, and we're going to get tons of amazing clips and stuff very soon......I can just feel it......great idea by the way *8.......peace....

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gavin77 said:

Ok.....what is Ady up too. I think he's been sneaking around and doing tons of work on this project, and we're going to get tons of amazing clips and stuff very soon......I can just feel it......great idea by the way *8.......peace....

I'm afraid not. no clips for a while. i'm still working on my EPIV AVCHD. I won't be starting work again on Empire until later this week

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asterisk8 said:

It doesn't look warm and toasty inside Echo Base, probably -12 degrees Celsius. So my question is, at the threshold of the hangar door, would the -32 degree air meeting the -12 degree air produce any kind of visible water vapor, or is it too cold?

The "mist" that you can see when you exhale into freezing air is light reflected off ice molecules that have just been formed from the previously liquid water of your breath.

For this effect to occur, the water must have a temperature above freezing to start with.

This would not occur in Echo base because temperatures are below freezing both inside and outside the base (C-3PO said that it was freezing even in Princess Leia's private chamber, remember ... )

Also, air humidity decreases with lower temperatures. Cold weather that is below -5 degrees Celsius is always very dry.

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http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5930/falconsize03ia4.th.jpg



http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3736/falconsize04kx0.th.jpg

 

Hello asterisk8 -  I always liked the juxtaposition, movement, and 'composition' of the 2 adjoining effects shots above, and I'm still unable to agree that the Falcon and TIES are coming from underneath the Stardestroyer in the bottom shot, as first suggested by Shadowman99.  Although you kindly gave a link to my own version of the movements in your post, a revised, simpler version is this:  in the top shot above, we see the Falcon and TIEs coming almost 'directly' towards us, with the Falcon disappearing just below us as it goes off-screen, and the TIEs following closely off-screen afterwards, as the Stardestroyer continues to come almost 'directly' at us. Then, in the bottom shot, we initially see a ' close-up' of the Falcon's underneath, followed by the underneath of the TIEs shown following in this shot, as they all then recede into the distance before the prow of the Stardestroyer eventually comes into view. 

 I reckon that visually, a case can be made that the Falcon (and the following TIEs) are just 'dipping down' slightly as they proceed ahead in front of the Stardestroyer at this point (which then fires 2 green laserbolts at the Falcon from underneath), before they then 'dip upwards' slightly again before the end of the shot.  Personally, I dislike the idea of turning the prow upside-down, and having it seem as if it's coming from the bottom of the frame, as I just think it's unneccessary, and doesn't look as good.  I do like the proposal that the Falcon could be made to be somewhat 'manoeuvering' a little more in the existing bottom shot though.  I'll be interested in what Adywan decides on this one, and how it turns out if he does choose to alter it in any way.

 

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Darth Lars said:
asterisk8 said:

It doesn't look warm and toasty inside Echo Base, probably -12 degrees Celsius. So my question is, at the threshold of the hangar door, would the -32 degree air meeting the -12 degree air produce any kind of visible water vapor, or is it too cold?

The "mist" that you can see when you exhale into freezing air is light reflected off ice molecules that have just been formed from the previously liquid water of your breath.

For this effect to occur, the water must have a temperature above freezing to start with.

This would not occur in Echo base because temperatures are below freezing both inside and outside the base (C-3PO said that it was freezing even in Princess Leia's private chamber, remember ... )

Also, air humidity decreases with lower temperatures. Cold weather that is below -5 degrees Celsius is always very dry.

 

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Darth Lars said:



    The "mist" that you can see when you exhale into freezing air is light reflected off ice molecules that have just been formed from the previously liquid water of your breath.

    For this effect to occur, the water must have a temperature above freezing to start with.

    This would not occur in Echo base because temperatures are below freezing both inside and outside the base (C-3PO said that it was freezing even in Princess Leia's private chamber, remember ... )

    Also, air humidity decreases with lower temperatures. Cold weather that is below -5 degrees Celsius is always very dry.



That's what I started to suspect as I considered the situation more. Too cold inside or out for water vapor. Thanks for settling the issue.

 

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I always liked the juxtaposition, movement, and 'composition' of the 2 adjoining effects shots above,


Me too, IF. Which is why almost wish I hadn't analyzed them. Now it's hard to watch without thinking the second shot is wrong. Let me try another mock-up to better explain what I'm seeing happen here. Not saying this is what's happening, only what it looks like to me.

I've mapped out the "rail" along which the Millennium Falcon flies in that shot. From our position, it appears as if we're looking up at the underside of a dip in a rollercoaster track. If you superimpose the prow of the Star Destroyer, you can see that the path of the MF appears to swoop out from under the SD. Or to put it differently, the initial position of the MF in this shot (the first red cross-bar) appears to be below the horizontal plane of the SD once it enters the screen.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9117/pathoffalconvo3.th.jpg

Even if that the first red cross-bar is on the same plane as the SD, the SD is still too close to the MF. In the intervening seconds we spend in the cockpit with Han & Co., the SD would've overtaken it.

 

ImperialFighter said:

I reckon that visually, a case can be made that the Falcon (and the following TIEs) are just 'dipping down' slightly as they proceed ahead in front of the Stardestroyer at this point (which then fires 2 green laserbolts at the Falcon from underneath), before they then 'dip upwards' slightly again before the end of the shot.

 

That's not a bad way to look at it. I still think the SD would benefit from entering the shot a second later, but watching the scene, I can definitely see what you're saying about dipping below the SD's plane, and then up again.

 

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Personally, I dislike the idea of turning the prow upside-down, and having it seem as if it's coming from the bottom of the frame, as I just think it's unneccessary, and doesn't look as good.

 

I agree. It was just a suggestion. After sleeping on it, I think flipping the prow would ruin the composition of the shot.

 

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ady, i read on another thread that apparantly on the 2004 release, that scenes during battles of people being shot were shortened as not to offend younger viewers. i wasnt aware of this, but have you restored any of these in your IV and V edits?

 

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ben_danger said:

ady, i read on another thread that apparantly on the 2004 release, that scenes during battles of people being shot were shortened as not to offend younger viewers. i wasnt aware of this, but have you restored any of these in your IV and V edits?

 

As far as i'm aware this only happened for EPIV and i restored those shots back into Revisted

 

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ady, i read on another thread that apparantly on the 2004 release, that scenes during battles of people being shot were shortened as not to offend younger viewers. i wasnt aware of this, but have you restored any of these in your IV and V edits?

 

That's always puzzled me. They shorten a few shots of people getting blasted in ANH in order to 'not offend', but just look at what happened to Mr. Burned and Crispy Anakin in Revenge of the Sith. I realize that Sith is rated PG-13, but still... Lucas wants us to watch them in order from 1-6, right?

 

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adywan,

A couple issues regarding the Cloud City processing vane. You say, " As for the vane it is a bit of a design flaw. I think that Luke was supposed to have reached there through the long tunnel but they put the support pole in the wrong position on the matte which caused confusion."

I knew I'd seen a cutaway in a book somewhere, so I did some looking around and found this:

 

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/4959/23cloudcityprocessi0024pt4.th.jpg

You can see that the long tunnel is actually a tram-tunnel probably intended to carry cargo back and forth from the city to the processing plant in the vane. The carbonite chamber is at the very top, and it seems to me that the lighted tube Luke walks through is all within the upper part of that vane, and not in the support arm. That should save you some trouble repainting the matte.

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Also, when Luke exits the tunnel, a large gate closes behind him, but when we see the same tunnel entrance from a different angle a few seconds later, the gate is open.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1722/esbtunneldoorqz7.th.jpg

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Bobocop said:
ben_danger said:

ady, i read on another thread that apparantly on the 2004 release, that scenes during battles of people being shot were shortened as not to offend younger viewers. i wasnt aware of this, but have you restored any of these in your IV and V edits?

 

That's always puzzled me. They shorten a few shots of people getting blasted in ANH in order to 'not offend', but just look at what happened to Mr. Burned and Crispy Anakin in Revenge of the Sith. I realize that Sith is rated PG-13, but still... Lucas wants us to watch them in order from 1-6, right?

 

I guess the logic was that Anakin getting burned was a key story point, where the blaster burns are just for effect and don't affect the story.

 

 

 

Side note - notice how I used "effect" and "affect" each properly in the same sentence?  That's one of my internet pet peeves...people who mix and match words and spelling because they're too lazy to learn the right way.  If there was some way I could get paid for it, I could make a million $ a year just running around the internet correcting spelling and grammar mistakes.

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Ziz said:

they're too lazy to learn the right way.

 

Too/to, used properly! Yay! Picky spellers of the internet, unite!

 

Oh, and Adywan, someone else mentioned that you're a nutter. I agree totally. Keep it up!

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Ziz said:

Side note - notice how I used "effect" and "affect" each properly in the same sentence?  That's one of my internet pet peeves...people who mix and match words and spelling because they're too lazy to learn the right way.  If there was some way I could get paid for it, I could make a million $ a year just running around the internet correcting spelling and grammar mistakes.

Heh, just like people using apostrophe's to make words plural.  And yes, I realize that I just did that in my last sentence.  Doesn't it look foolish?

Anyway, getting back to ESB, I forgot all about that door that closes behind Luke.  That's always bugged me.  What slow reaction time Luke has.  No wonder Vader whooped him.  That door closes, and like 30 seconds later he whips around to look at it.  (by the way, in the suggestion terminal it lists that as "Fix Jump-cut of steal gate doors closing behind Luke."  Unless Luke is going to chop off the doors and run off with them in this version, it should be "steel gate." I know, I'm a pain.  I'll stop now :P )

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Enough of the grammar school. :p

 

I was looking at the 2004 CG Cloud City balcony shot. I think it really looks terrible.

a. The balcony is too low. It comes up to about thigh-height. That is just not safe.

b. The reflection is way too clear. Especially of the balcony walls and the sky. The left side of the floor has an almost mirror finish.

c. The biggest errors are the gang's reflections. In the reflection, the three are translucent. You can see the balcony behind them! Take a look:

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6335/cloudcitybalcony01xq8.th.jpg

That's not how reflections work, and it's one of the best examples of the lazy CG work done for these special editions. A professional CG artist should know that you can't see through a person's reflection.

The truth is, I'd rather see the wall put back in place (maybe a window) in adywan's edit, but if he wants to keep this shot, it needs some work.

So here's my quick-n-dirty mock-up of how I think the shot would look better. It's not the best Photshopping, but it gets the point across. Open both up in two tabs and flip back and forth to get the full effect.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6580/cloudcitybalcony02xj0.th.jpg

 

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asterisk8 said:

Enough of the grammar school. :p

 

I was looking at the 2004 CG Cloud City balcony shot. I think it really looks terrible.

a. The balcony is too low. It comes up to about thigh-height. That is just not safe.

b. The reflection is way too clear. Especially of the balcony walls and the sky. The left side of the floor has an almost mirror finish.

c. The biggest errors are the gang's reflections. In the reflection, the three are translucent. You can see the balcony behind them! Take a look:

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6335/cloudcitybalcony01xq8.th.jpg

That's not how reflections work, and it's one of the best examples of the lazy CG work done for these special editions. A professional CG artist should know that you can't see through a person's reflection.

The truth is, I'd rather see the wall put back in place (maybe a window) in adywan's edit, but if he wants to keep this shot, it needs some work.

So here's my quick-n-dirty mock-up of how I think the shot would look better. It's not the best Photshopping, but it gets the point across. Open both up in two tabs and flip back and forth to get the full effect.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6580/cloudcitybalcony02xj0.th.jpg

 

Quick-n-dirty it may be but already the gang seem to be on the ground and not floating in mid air.

I did a similar quick fix to the DVD ANH Jabba which it seems pointless to post here (though if you get you magnifying glass out you might pick out in my avatar pic).

It does illustrate the scale of the mess which from all accounts seems to stem from George's "It'll do" attitude.

Ady (and most of us on here) sings from a different song book, one which includes "It Don't Mean A Thing (If It Ain't Got That Swing) and "T'ain't What You Do (It's the Way That You Do It)".

I really can't (though I must) wait to see his final results.

 

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Sorry, the fourm only lets me see half of the whole thing GGGGGGRRRRRRR

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