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negative1 said:

exciting times.....

Exciting, but annoying at times, huh? I too have felt the irritating feeling of 'I could probably buy something with twice the power as this computer I'm buying right now in a few months...but I'm getting it anyway.' :p Fortunately, I'm not a gamer or movie editor, so it's not a big deal if I have a monster, at least. Haha.

 

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That's the way computer hardware has always been...if you insist on waiting for the "next big thing" to do that upgrade then you'll be waiting for the rest of your life.  There's a point where you have to just bite the bullet and get on with it.  Where it gets expensive is if you try to upgrade every step of the way.  Learn to skip a generation or two and you'll be better off in the long run.

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Sorry I havn't been aroung guys. Florida got hit by a pretty tame, but weird hurricane... we weren't sure when it was gonna hit. It seriously sat off the coast for like 3 days before it decided to do something and a lot of areas south of me were flooded. I took my computer offline during that time and I'm just now catchingup.

 

Looks like some interesting developments are coming along.

 

I wish there were a way to keep track of the things we've conversed about... so we don't keep getting the same damn questions over and over again... it makes it sooo difficult for me to keep up especially.

 

As far as that whole edit for the invasion of Hoth, I find that some of those ideas are REALLY cool... I know you've already commented on it Ady, but I concur with what your saying about not having the executor too close... but adding in some star destroyers... great ideas.

 

As far as the musical aspect, of which I have some expertise lol, I would ahve to concur as well that the removal of the extremely strong/emotional force theme for when luke and Leia speak through the force, I think is a bad idea. It's so powerful as is.

 

As for musical changes, the only thing I'd suggest is for the arrival at cloud city, there are two takes available of the music,. One with the choir mixed much louder and the instruments fucked up, and the one on the Anthology which is the film take. If you wanted more choir, I could mix the two easily... but its up to you... I dunno if the choir was meant to be heard that loudly.

 

 


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Two quick observations for Ady if you're reading this - 1) Right before Han gives C-3PO "the finger" as they're trying to get the Falcon out of Echo Base the entire computer console prop shakes because he's leaning on it - Don't know if that has been mentioned before.

Secondly, in the opening shot of Echo Base where Han rides up to the cavernous entrance on the Tauntaun, I don't recall if it was an SE addition or an Ady addition, but the Rebel Soldier standing straight up and holding the gizmo near the turret - well, he kinda looks mannequin-like. I think it's his "stillness" and his pose. I know he's "moving" in the shot, but in the span of the footage at a glance, he kind of looks like a cardboard cutout.

Every other element in that shot looks perfect. The guy with the cannon control box just isn't meshing as well.

Just an observation - take it for what it's worth - which is very little, my friend. Very little. lol

 

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nohandluke said:

Secondly, in the opening shot of Echo Base where Han rides up to the cavernous entrance on the Tauntaun, I don't recall if it was an SE addition or an Ady addition, but the Rebel Soldier standing straight up and holding the gizmo near the turret - well, he kinda looks mannequin-like. I think it's his "stillness" and his pose. I know he's "moving" in the shot, but in the span of the footage at a glance, he kind of looks like a cardboard cutout.

Every other element in that shot looks perfect. The guy with the cannon control box just isn't meshing as well.

The guy with the macrobinoculars is an Ady add from later on in the movie.  I think that the average viewer won't notice his not moving since they'll be watching Han entering the base in the background.  Our experienced eyes are drawn to that which is new since we've seen it so many times.  And if he did the exact movements that he does later on in the movie, it would be more obvious of a cut and paste job.  I imagine that he is just very vigilant!

 

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GoodMusician said:

 

I wish there were a way to keep track of the things we've conversed about... so we don't keep getting the same damn questions over and over again... it makes it sooo difficult for me to keep up especially. 

 

 

Is this what you're looking for? .... http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Adywans-ESB-edit-Suggestion-Terminal/topic/9477/

 

I think GoodMusician was being sarcastic.  He runs the Suggestion Terminal. :-D

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doubleofive said:
SithTrooper said:
GoodMusician said:

 

I wish there were a way to keep track of the things we've conversed about... so we don't keep getting the same damn questions over and over again... it makes it sooo difficult for me to keep up especially. 

 

 

Is this what you're looking for? .... http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Adywans-ESB-edit-Suggestion-Terminal/topic/9477/

 

I think GoodMusician was being sarcastic.  He runs the Suggestion Terminal. :-D

Now I feel stoopid.

 

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lol... yea... but thatis a topic about ideas for changes... not about arguments or things spoken about so it doesn't quite cover that anyway


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Adywan, If you need clouds to compostite, I have A Hi-Def Camera, I could get some for you to composite, like on Bespin (With a little croping of course!) Ya or Nay, Whaterver, I Shall do it anyways (yes I took these!) Tell me if they help!

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I've been looking at the clouds recently and thinking of doing what Josh has done, but I figured that somewhere in Ady's arsenal there has to be a camera and there have to be clouds in England.

Right?

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Hello guys, my first post here! :D

I have spoken to Adywan on Youtube, and asked him some things. Most of these were already added to the list, so there are only four things left that I would like to be added:

- Give the lightsaber duel a faster pace. (I didn't see it on the list?)
- Change the interior of the ships (on Hoth?) So they look more like the prequels
- Let the platforms of the ships (Where the people walk in and out the ship) go down more smoothly (In Cloud City etc.)
- Add more ships to Cloud City

Excuse me if they are already on the list. And Excuse me for my bad English, I hope you can understand me xD.

Cas_Tanje

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doubleofive said:

I've been looking at the clouds recently and thinking of doing what Josh has done, but I figured that somewhere in Ady's arsenal there has to be a camera and there have to be clouds in England.

Right?

Thats true, but at the moment in the U.K its all gloomy due to the impending Autumn, and we don't have sunsets like Cloud City.

 

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cas_tanje said:

 

 

Hello guys, my first post here! :D

I have spoken to Adywan on Youtube, and asked him some things. Most of these were already added to the list, so there are only four things left that I would like to be added:

- Give the lightsaber duel a faster pace. (I didn't see it on the list?)
- Change the interior of the ships (on Hoth?) So they look more like the prequels
- Let the platforms of the ships (Where the people walk in and out the ship) go down more smoothly (In Cloud City etc.)
- Add more ships to Cloud City

Excuse me if they are already on the list. And Excuse me for my bad English, I hope you can understand me xD.

Cas_Tanje

My opinion:

1 not gonna happen, the fight is good as it is

2 not gonna happen, the interiors are fine, the prequels suck :)

3 like it, would be better if it is smoother faster

4 also good, since a LOT of people live/work there, just no overload, just a couple more here and there

 

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DMaarten said:
cas_tanje said:

 

 

Hello guys, my first post here! :D

I have spoken to Adywan on Youtube, and asked him some things. Most of these were already added to the list, so there are only four things left that I would like to be added:

- Give the lightsaber duel a faster pace. (I didn't see it on the list?)
- Change the interior of the ships (on Hoth?) So they look more like the prequels
- Let the platforms of the ships (Where the people walk in and out the ship) go down more smoothly (In Cloud City etc.)
- Add more ships to Cloud City

Excuse me if they are already on the list. And Excuse me for my bad English, I hope you can understand me xD.

Cas_Tanje

My forecast:

1 not gonna happen, the fight is good as it is

2 not gonna happen, the interiors are fine, the prequels suck :)

3 like it, would be better if it is smoother faster

4 also good, since a LOT of people live/work there, just no overload, just a couple more here and there

 

3. I'm not sure how many loading ramps go down on Cloud City, but the Falcon is a "piece of junk", therefore I don't think anything should be smoothed out about it.

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Josh said:

Adywan, If you need clouds to compostite, I have A Hi-Def Camera, I could get some for you to composite, like on Bespin (With a little croping of course!) Ya or Nay, Whaterver, I Shall do it anyways (yes I took these!)

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Tell me if they help!

Nice pics, but they look pretty bad quality wise. There's way too much noise, not sure if it's just due to the jpg compression though.

Shooting in RAW and converting to png should give you a better result.

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(2 not gonna happen, the interiors are fine, the prequels suck :)

 

No matter if you think the prequels suck, the interiors and most of the movies scenes, etc,  look a million times better due to being made twenty years later. So, yes, ramping up the interiors a bit to look like something fairly modern and relevant to our century might be nice.

And since DMaarten had to put his opinion of the prequels sucking into his response, I will just say again that I think the prequels are great.

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Nothing about the 1980 version of Empire Strikes Back sucked. It was a seminal moment in film history where everything came together in the end in complete narrative and aesthetic synergy. There are only a handful of films that can boast such perfection (e.g. Lawrence of Arabia) At the end of the day, were there a proper anamorphic DVD transfer of this original 1980 version, there would be no need for Adywan to even work on this film. As it is however, sadly, there is no proper DVD and hence Adywan must take a not-so-special edition and make it special so we can have something that is presentable on a modern home theater.

Whether you like the prequels or not, I believe it is very shortsighted to declare that simply because something is 28 years old means it must be updated and changed. At its very essence, Empire Strikes Back is THE ONE AND ONLY Star Wars film that did work seamlessly right out of the gate. The film was the product of a courageous script, brilliantly directed and produced with groundbreaking effort and convention-breaking choices.

Star Wars, while a narrative success certainly, suffered from the compromised budget that left many of its optical effects lagging far short of intentions (which Ady has now admirably corrected). Return of the Jedi was always only one-third the movie it was originally intended to be, and the special edition only complicated the matter. Phantom Menace was a racehorse that tripped out of the gate and limped around the track. Attack of the Clones was, aside from 10 minutes in the middle, an insipid intelligence-insulting love farce. Revenge of the Sith was, in many ways, the most troubled and negligent film of them all - the one without any excuses and yet even after almost six hours of time in previous films to tell the story of Anakin Skywalker, the creators waited until the last 20 minutes of Sith to finally get around to the essential story in a series of truncated scenes tacked on to the end in wipes while blatantly ignoring major sections of established continuity and throwing those to the wind.

The Empire Strikes Back is the only film without either fatal narrative flaws or compromising technical errors. It is "Star Wars" fully realized and the way it was originally intended, no matter what revisionist history you believe. So, if spaceship interiors a movie make, then have at it. For me, there's nothing wrong with the ship interiors, they look amazing - and probably because like every other single element of Empire Strikes Back, they all service the story and not the other way around.

Ady, my apologies for waxing poetic about this in your thread. Feel free to delete at your leisure if this offends you.

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Nothing about the 1980 version of Empire Strikes Back sucked. It was a seminal moment in film history where everything came together in the end in complete narrative and aesthetic synergy. There are only a handful of films that can boast such perfection (e.g. Lawrence of Arabia) At the end of the day, were there a proper anamorphic DVD transfer of this original 1980 version, there would be no need for Adywan to even work on this film. As it is however, sadly, there is no proper DVD and hence Adywan must take a not-so-special edition and make it special so we can have something that is presentable on a modern home theater.

Whether you like the prequels or not, I believe it is very shortsighted to declare that simply because something is 28 years old means it must be updated and changed. At its very essence, Empire Strikes Back is THE ONE AND ONLY Star Wars film that did work seamlessly right out of the gate. The film was the product of a courageous script, brilliantly directed and produced with groundbreaking effort and convention-breaking choices.

Star Wars, while a narrative success certainly, suffered from the compromised budget that left many of its optical effects lagging far short of intentions (which Ady has now admirably corrected). Return of the Jedi was always only one-third the movie it was originally intended to be, and the special edition only complicated the matter. Phantom Menace was a racehorse that tripped out of the gate and limped around the track. Attack of the Clones was, aside from 10 minutes in the middle, an insipid intelligence-insulting love farce. Revenge of the Sith was, in many ways, the most troubled and negligent film of them all - the one without any excuses and yet even after almost six hours of time in previous films to tell the story of Anakin Skywalker, the creators waited until the last 20 minutes of Sith to finally get around to the essential story in a series of truncated scenes tacked on to the end in wipes while blatantly ignoring major sections of established continuity and throwing those to the wind.

The Empire Strikes Back is the only film without either fatal narrative flaws or compromising technical errors. It is "Star Wars" fully realized and the way it was originally intended, no matter what revisionist history you believe. So, if spaceship interiors a movie make, then have at it. For me, there's nothing wrong with the ship interiors, they look amazing - and probably because like every other single element of Empire Strikes Back, they all service the story and not the other way around.

Ady, my apologies for waxing poetic about this in your thread. Feel free to delete at your leisure if this offends you.

If I was a betting man I would lay odds that Adywan agrees with everything you said.....I sure do.

Once again you put to words what the majority of us feel. Props to you my friend.

 

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For a guy with one hand, you sure can type up some inspirational stuff there my young friend (;

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Nothing about the 1980 version of Empire Strikes Back sucked. It was a seminal moment in film history where everything came together in the end in complete narrative and aesthetic synergy. There are only a handful of films that can boast such perfection (e.g. Lawrence of Arabia) At the end of the day, were there a proper anamorphic DVD transfer of this original 1980 version, there would be no need for Adywan to even work on this film. As it is however, sadly, there is no proper DVD and hence Adywan must take a not-so-special edition and make it special so we can have something that is presentable on a modern home theater.

i'm sorry, but ESB was a let down for me when i saw it, i wanted to know what happened right after star wars, and it jumped ahead without filling in all the gaps... i also felt let down that it was the middle third part [i wasn't too fanatical to read that there was a plan for the third film], and didn't feel conclusive at all.... what if 'jedi' had never been made? then what? there were narrative leaps, and plot subpoints that didn't click for me ...

yes, i liked seeing obi-wan again, yes yoda was cool....and the further depth into talk about the force was intriguing...and of course the familial revelation furthered the story into areas we could not have imagined..

perfection? i don't think so, far from it....there were plenty of other films that in my opinion could outdo this film...... ok, let's look at your viewpoint, let's say there is a 'good' print of this version on DVD (and by the way, the HD versions of the SE look awesome to me on 'modern day home theater', so i'm not worried about that aspect of it)..... adywan would STILL be working on it....and why not, it hasn't stopped anyone from using laserdisc rips or subsequent DVD rips of OOT as a starting point, so i'm not sure what you even mean there.... fan-edits will exist no matter what exists..

 

Whether you like the prequels or not, I believe it is very shortsighted to declare that simply because something is 28 years old means it must be updated and changed. At its very essence, Empire Strikes Back is THE ONE AND ONLY Star Wars film that did work seamlessly right out of the gate. The film was the product of a courageous script, brilliantly directed and produced with groundbreaking effort and convention-breaking choices.

 

NO IT IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT WORKS...only the FIRST ONE WORKS seamlessly.. this film had a decent script, average direction, and there wasn't one thing that i can look back at today, and go, wow that was impressive... not the battles, star wars outdid it, not the light saber battle, it had been done before... not the revelation of force powers, once again star wars preceded it.... what exactly did you think worked so 'seamlessly'???

i didn't mind the SE changes,and i still don't mind them..

i'm curious..

Star Wars, while a narrative success certainly, suffered from the compromised budget that left many of its optical effects lagging far short of intentions (which Ady has now admirably corrected). Return of the Jedi was always only one-third the movie it was originally intended to be, and the special edition only complicated the matter.

 

Star Wars suffered from NOTHING ... it WAS PERFECTION, and it STILL IS.. i don't mind adywans corrections, but that's all they are, just a fanedit, they are not conclusive, or definitive... they're not from Lucas.. the original is the ONLY version that exists to me (ie: star wars, and ok, ep IV crawl)..as the definitive reference...

 

Phantom Menace was a racehorse that tripped out of the gate and limped around the track. Attack of the Clones was, aside from 10 minutes in the middle, an insipid intelligence-insulting love farce. Revenge of the Sith was, in many ways, the most troubled and negligent film of them all - the one without any excuses and yet even after almost six hours of time in previous films to tell the story of Anakin Skywalker, the creators waited until the last 20 minutes of Sith to finally get around to the essential story in a series of truncated scenes tacked on to the end in wipes while blatantly ignoring major sections of established continuity and throwing those to the wind.

phantom menace was average, attack of the clones was decent, and revenge of the sith

was excellent to me, right up there with empire, and in my eyes will surpass it......

The Empire Strikes Back is the only film without either fatal narrative flaws or compromising technical errors. It is "Star Wars" fully realized and the way it was originally intended, no matter what revisionist history you believe. So, if spaceship interiors a movie make, then have at it. For me, there's nothing wrong with the ship interiors, they look amazing - and probably because like every other single element of Empire Strikes Back, they all service the story and not the other way around.

 

no, Empire was very good, but it too had flaws that you aren't willing to acknowlege, or even admit otherwise, you wouldn't be here commenting in a thread about it, if you are so against any changes, why would you care that someone is making them? obviously you didn't care for the SE changes either..

 

Ady, my apologies for waxing poetic about this in your thread. Feel free to delete at your leisure if this offends you.

i thought this board was about open discussions, different viewpoints, and alternate ideas..

i'd be very disappointed if any opposing thought or opinions were deleted..

 

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I see how you got your name Negitive....

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Negative1..... I have heard others express a similar opinion. Most of them are under the age of 10. ;)

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Echo3 said:

Negative1..... I have heard others express a similar opinion. Most of them are under the age of 10. ;)

 

 yeah, i was about 10 when i saw Star Wars, and it has burnt itself into my brain,

and has never let go... that's why i have to defend it..... Luke was always the

hero, that i wanted to be... not the dark and twisted version in ESB, the pure,

and good version in SW.....   i wanted to be a jedi, because of SW, not go through

some training in a swamp like in ESB.... i wanted to fly a spaceship because of SW

(i did end up working for NASA at one point)...... not do some lame battle stuff like

in ESB....

Star Wars changed my life.....  Empire Strikes Back did not...

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Well, I'm sure starwars would be weird If jedi grew on trees :]

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