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Adywan, here is the first of 5 posts, showing some possibilities....

 

In particular, I wanted to show one or two things which would offer an 'alternative' take on the following 4 shots.  Like most scenes in the Original Trilogy, we've seen these so many times now, that it's hard to imagine them altered a little.  However, it always seemed to me that there was something amiss about these 2 scenes, and it would be neat if you could add a little enhancement of some kind, to them.  

Personally, I was never too keen on this shot of the single Stardestroyer, as it seemed a little unconvincing due to it's unclear sense of scale, and 'dark greyness'....  Neither did it convey much of a sense of the 'Fleet', that was supposedly deployed in the vicinity of the Hoth Planet.  Also, things might have looked a little better if this 'dark grey' Stardestroyer had been swapped with the 'lighter' one seen underneath the 'Executor', earlier in the movie, where a darker, 'shadowed' one would have fitted in better there instead.  The other thing that always jarred, is the fact that once we see inside the Stardestroyer's 'interior' (shown in the next 2 shots), it seems to be 'moving past' the Planet in the wrong direction!

 In these first 2 shots (where the scene lasts approx. 2 seconds), we see that the Stardestroyer is slowly moving forwards a little, and seems to be either pointing directly at the Planet....or passing on the LEFT-hand side of it -

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However, in these next 2 shots (where the scene lasts approx. 3 seconds), we suddenly cut to what seems to be a SIDE 'interior' of the Stardestroyer we've just seen (as evidenced by other Stardestroyer 'interior' scenes).  So if you look at it as being the LEFT-hand side 'interior, then due to the 'movement' of the Planet (which travels slowly to the LEFT), the Stardestroyer seems to pass on the RIGHT-hand side of it now....and if you look at it as being the RIGHT-hand side of the Stardestroyer, then it seems to be slowly going past the Planet backwards now! 

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So, just as a bit of encouragement for you to add a little interest to these eventually, there's a possible 'variation' of these 2 scenes included in the 'MAIN' sequence of 48 shots (that I'll be putting up just after this one), followed by a couple of 'alternative' versions at the end, in what will be the fifth and final post. 

Although you'd need to check the actual footage of the scenes referred to, hopefully these shots convey some of the 'movement' of these possible 'additions'.  Although these 2 scenes are the ones I'd most like something done with, there are a couple of other possibilities concerning the 'Fleet' for you to consider along the way....   

(To describe these properly, required 'mock-ups'....so I'd like to express my grateful thanks to doubleofive for his much-appreciated efforts on my behalf, overcoming what were sometimes difficult-to-follow details from me, given over a series of long e-mails.  He put a lot of effort into getting everything just as I wanted, which was sometimes not straightforward, given the differences in PAL and NTSC timings we were dealing with) 

 

The second post will follow shortly -   

  

 

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Here is the second post, and the beginning of the 'main' sequence  showing 'IMPERIAL FLEET APPROACHING HOTH SYSTEM'

(This sequence of shots includes a 'recap' of some of the events that take place before, and after, the Imperial Fleet's approach of the 'Hoth system', as a way of better explaining the reasons behind some of the 'mock-ups'.  Note: only the larger shots have been altered in any way) 

 

....as some of the 'Imperial Fleet' regroup, Darth Vader, who is aboard the Superstardestroyer 'Executor', is told that one of the Fleet's other, distant Stardestroyer's has launched a 'Probe Droid' that has discovered a Rebel base in the 'Hoth system'....  Meanwhile, the Rebel General is also aware of the Probe, and begins an evacuation of the Hoth base.  Vader tells Admiral Ozzel that he is 'sure' Skywalker is with them (and who he intends to meet with, personally), and orders General Veers to prepare his troops for an attack.  Vader heads off to confront the Rebels aboard the 'Executor', accompanied by some of the Fleet.... 

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 ....however, the Rebels have been able to detect that the Imperial Fleet have come out of 'Hyperspace' in 'Sector 4' (as Admiral Ozzel has been careless, and come out too close to the 'system'), and the Rebel General orders a re-route of all power to their surrounding 'Energy Shield...and to prepare for an eventual ground assault from Imperial troops....  Meanwhile, General Veers tells Vader that they have detected an 'Energy Shield' that is protecting an area of one of the 'Hoth system' Planets, and that it is able to withstand any bombardment from the Fleet....  Vader is not pleased, and orders General Veers to have his troops make a 'surface' attack instead....  After dealing with Ozzel, Vader then puts the now-Admiral Piett in command of the 'Executor', and orders him to arrange to land General Veers and his troops, beyond the Rebel's 'Energy Shield', and to deploy the Fleet so that the Rebels won't escape from the system....  Meanwhile, Rebel X-wing Pilots who are to escort the 'Rebel Transports' away from the Hoth Planet, are told by Princess Leia, that the 'Ion Cannon' will shoot at the enemy Stardestroyers, so that they can get escape past them....  The remaining Rebel troops scan for the expected Imperial ground attack, while the Rebel General orders that the protective 'Energy Shield' be briefly opened to allow the first Rebel Transport to try to escape....   

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 ....meanwhile, the Imperial Fleet has been deployed, and awaits....

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Shots 5 and 6 (replacing the 2 seconds-long 'grey' Stardestroyer scene) show the final 2 seconds of the approx. 18 seconds of 'overhead' Stardestroyer footage seen at the beginning of 'Jedi' (There will be a couple of 'alternative' shots of the existing scene, in the fifth and last post).  However, I know that you are perhaps hoping to re-arrange the beginning of your 'Jedi' edit a little, so as to make it more 'Executor'-focused, so that it doesn't repeat the same kind of 'overhead' Stardestroyer 'opening' so much, as was seen in 'A New Hope'....  What I don't know is, if you are still intending to incorporate any of this 'overhead' Stardestroyer element into 'Jedi, or not.  If so, then no worries, but if not, then perhaps you could incorporate it here, even in this very cut-down form, as it's a very nice miniature shot, and it would be a shame to lose it totally.   Final thought - if you are planning on omitting this 'overhead' Stardestroyer shot from 'Jedi', then I'd love to see the whole thing (approx. 18 seconds) used as an extended Fleet blockade shot instead, done to an extended 'Imperial March' cue at this point....  I'd be happy enough just to see the last 2 seconds of it even, though.

....we now see the 'Executor' too....                                                                                                                     

(Shots 7 and 8 show the LEFT-hand SIDE 'interior', belonging to the 'main' Stardestroyer seen in shots 5 and 6 -  done something like this, it would still seem to move slowly to the RIGHT of the frame, just like the existing 'Empire' shot seems to move slowly to the RIGHT, due to the 'Hoth Planet' element moving slowly to the LEFT)

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 ....and a little more of the Fleet is revealed, as the 'Ion Cannon' is fired at the Stardestroyer that guards the 'Sector' where the first escaping Rebel Transport is heading towards, to escape....

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 ....luckily, someone has a good aim, where this particular 'blockading' Stardestroyer is concerned....

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 ....as this Stardestroyer has now been totally 'disabled', allowing a safe escape route in this 'Sector'....

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(By the way, I liked doubleofive's suggestion of this 'escaping' Rebel Transport perhaps being seen to momentarily 'speed-up' and 'stretch' into a blurred 'Hyperspace jump' (like the ones seen in 'Jedi'), once it clears past the 'disabled' Stardestroyer, just before the very end of the scene in shot 13....which is just before the announcement of "The first transport is away", just as the remaining Rebel Troops and Snowspeeder Pilots, including Luke, prepare for the Imperial ground assault)

 ....the expected surface attack from several Stardestroyer-'deposited' AT-AT's (by way of 'carriers' I presume) finally ensues....and Luke and the Rebel troops battle valiantly....as the evacuation continues throughout the battle....  By the time the Imperial forces eventually overcome the Rebels, there is only one Rebel Transport left, that has still to escape.  Princess Leia eventually gives the command to evacuate the Rebel base totally, before Vader and his troops arrive just too late to stop Han, Leia, Chewbacca, and C3PO escaping from the base in the Millennium Falcon....which an embattled Luke sees disappearing upwards towards space, from a distance away....

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 ....as Luke approaches his X-Wing, the last remaining Rebel Transport is already taking off, safely accompanied by a couple of other X-Wing Pilots.  There is only a handful of stragglers left now, who are all preparing to take off in their X-Wings too, and who all intend to meet up again at the designated 'rendezvous' destination....

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Here is the third post, which continues the 'main' sequence -

 

....Luke prepares to escape from the Hoth Planet, as R2D2 agitates for him to leave immediately....

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....however, the remaining Stardestroyer Fleet will still be a threat....and one ship in particular awaits the return of Vader....

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....fortunately, the Rebel's 'Ion Cannon' has previously managed to create an escape route in this particular 'Sector'.... 

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....enabling Luke to get away too, and set a new course for the 'Dagobah system', to search for Yoda....just as he was advised to do by Obi-Wan, after his earlier encounter with the 'Wampa'(s?).  Unfortunately, Han, Leia, Chewbacca, and C3PO have not been so lucky....

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....as they have encountered a few of the other Stardestroyers deployed in the vicinity, when they tried to escape from the Hoth Planet in a different direction....

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....however, the Millennium Falcon's 'Hyperdrive' has failed....so Han evades capture by entering a huge asteroid field, which destroys his TIE pursuers....before he flies into an opening in a very large asteroid for temporary safety from the Stardestroyers following....  In the meantime, Luke has crash-landed on 'Dagobah', where Artoo has a bad experience with a local swamp creature....  Meanwhile, Vader is now back onboard the 'Executor'.   Admiral Piett approaches his 'chamber' to notify him that some of their other ships have sighted the Millennium Falcon, but that it has entered an asteroid field, and it would be dangerous to follow.  Vader emphasises to Admirial Piett that he wants the ship captured, no matter what....

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....in the meantime, Luke and Artoo have encountered a friendly inhabitant on 'Dagobah', while Han and Chewbacca continue repairing the Falcon's 'Hyperdrive' inside the safety of the asteroid cave....  Meanwhile, the 'Executor' in now relentlessly following through the asteroid field, where the Falcon was last sighted, as some of the accompanying Fleet sustains heavy damage....  A 'holographic' Stardestroyer Commander suggests that the Falcon must have been destroyed by now, but Vader notifies him that the occupants are still 'alive', and orders that he wants every ship available to sweep the asteroid field until they are found....

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....just afterwards, Admiral Piett alerts Vader that the Emperor is commanding that he makes contact with him.  Vader orders him to move the 'Executor' out of the huge asteroid field, so that a clear 'transmission' signal can be made....

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....it turns out that the Emperor is aware of how potentially dangerous Luke Skywalker is, and wants Vader to deal with him.  Vader (who has ulterior motives now, and who plans to meet Luke personally) suggests that rather than have him 'dealt with', that perhaps Luke can become an ally of the 'Empire' instead....which the Emperor goes along with....  In the meantime, Luke and the friendly inhabitant are now in Yoda's home, where Luke discovers that his host is the 'Jedi master' he has been looking for....  Meanwhile, the remaining Stardestroyers continue to clear a path through the asteroid field, as Vader ordered, as they continue their search for the Millennium Falcon, and it's occupants....

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....even TIE 'bombers' can't bring them out into the open, as the crew continue repairs inside the deep bowels of the very large asteroid...until they discover they've flown inside the belly of a gigantic 'space slug', and have to make a hasty escape back into the middle of the dangerous asteroid field....  In the meantime, Yoda has begun instructing Luke, who has a glimspe of things to come where Vader is concerned, inside a mysterious underground cavern....  Meanwhile, the 'Executor' relentlessly continues onwards, just outside the huge asteroid field....

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....several 'Bounty Hunters' that were invited by Vader, are now aboard the 'Executor', and are instructed by Vader to capture the occupants of the Millennium Falcon 'alive'....  At this point, an unimpressed Admiral Piett is notified of a priority signal from the Stardestroyer 'Avenger', and is finally able to inform Vader that the Millenium Falcon has now been located by one of the Fleet....  Meanwhile, the Stardestroyer 'Avenger' continues after the Falcon, and is almost upon it....  

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....fortunately, the Millennium Falcon comes out of the huge asteroid field at this point....but unfortunately, the 'Hyperdrive' fails again, as there wasn't enough time to fix it properly, due to the hasty exit from the asteroid cave....  After a direct hit on the main rear deflector shields, Han decides to divert all power to the Falcon's front shields, and turns around to face his pursuer....

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....this unexpected 'attack position' move by the Millennium Falcon now forces Captain Needa to order the Stardestroyer 'Avenger's' own shields be put up, just before the Falcon swoops closely overhead....  

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....when Captain Needa demands that the Millennium Falcon be 'tracked', he is informed that it no longer appears on the Stardestroyer's scopes, and that there is no trace of them now....  Unluckily for him, he is also informed that Vader is demanding an update on his pursuit of the Falcon....  Meanwhile, Luke's training under Yoda continues apace, culminating in him revealing the potential power of the 'Force' to a disbelieving Luke, when he salvages his sunken X-Wing spacecraft for him....  The Fleet has now regrouped nearby the vicinity of the Stardestroyer 'Avenger', as Captain Needa shuttles down to the 'Executor' to apologise personally to Vader for losing the Millennium Falcon....    

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Here is the fourth post, continuing the 'Main' sequence -

 

....after Vader has 'accepted' Captain Needa's apology, he is informed by Admiral Piett that the Fleet has completed their scan of the area and found nothing....before suggesting that if the Millennium Falcon went into 'lightspeed', it would be on the other side of the Galaxy by now....  Vader orders him to alert all Commands, and to calculate every possible destination along their last known trajectory....before warning his recently-promoted Fleet Admiral not to fail him again....  A nervous Admiral Piett then orders the 'Executor's' communications operators to alert all Commands, and to deploy the Fleet accordingly....  As there are many possibilities, all the Stardestroyers begin to individually seperate towards the various calculated directions that the Millennium Falcon may have headed towards, from this last known area....  Meanwhile, unsuspected by most, the Falcon is actually attached to the rear exterior of the Stardestroyer 'Avenger's' Command structure.... 

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....as the Fleet slowly breaks up into their various directions, Han decides that although it is far-away, and they are without 'Hyperdrive' capability, that they should escape towards the mining colony based at Bespin....  The Stardestroyer 'Avenger' eventually follows it's predicted standard Imperial procedure of dumping it's heavy garbage, before going to 'lightspeed'....and so the Millennium Falcon detaches, and briefly drifts away amongst the large pieces of deposited debris, just before the Stardestroyer then deploys away to it's speculative designated destination, as the others have done....  However, unbeknown to the crew of the Falcon, a certain cunning Bounty Hunter has skillfully concluded how the fugitives may be planning to escape capture....  When his hunch proves correct, he proceeds to 'track' the escapee's intended destination....and relays the information back to the 'Executor', giving Vader the opportunity to arrive there first.... 

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....meanwhile, Luke's intensive 'Jedi' training under Yoda continues, and his 'Force'-powers grow ever-stronger....until there comes a moment where he has a disturbing 'vision', involving a city in the clouds, and where his friends are in pain....  When Yoda tells him that this is a possible 'future', and that it is difficult to tell if they will die or not, Luke resolves to go and help them....  Elsewhere, the Millennium Falcon and it's crew have eventually reached their far away destination....and are strictly monitored and escorted by security cloud-cars towards a specific landing platform on the floating cloud city above Bespin....  

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....eventually, they are met by Han's old buddy Lando, now the head administrator of Bespin's illicit gas-mining operations, who proceeds to personally escort them to some temporary quarters, while further repairs to the Millennium Falcon's 'Hyperdrive' are carried out....  However, C3PO wanders off, and gets blasted by an unseen assailant....  Meanwhile, Yoda is joined by Obi-Wan, who also strongly advises Luke to complete his 'Jedi' training before attempting to face Vader and the Emperor....  Although Luke is warned that his friends are only being used as a means to get at him, because of an ulterior interest in him and his abilities, he remains determined to help them out, and immediately leaves Dagobah in his X-Wing to do so....  Elsewhere, on the floating cloud city, a hightly-suspicious Princess Leia tells Han of her concerns for the long-missing C3PO, as Chewbacca rescues his remains from a junk-pile....  Lando reappears, and on a false pretext, invites his guests to join him, confiding along the way that things have developed that will ensure security for the whole of the city, and that he has just made a deal that will keep the 'Empire' out of it's affairs forever....as he leads them to a pre-determined meeting place for an unpleasant re-union....  A distant passing TIE-fighter emphasises the sudden danger of the situation the fugitives now find themselves in, and that Luke soon will too....as well as the overwhelming odds that previously faced Lando, and the city as a whole, shortly before they arrived....

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....after the introductions, even more uninvited guests appear, as a regretful Lando points out that he didn't have much of a choice in the matter....

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....meanwhile, Vader's intended prize, young Luke Skywalker, is now fast-approaching the Bespin system in search of his helpless friends....

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....and confirms to a concerned Artoo, that Threepio is definately with them....

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....when suddenly, Artoo gets very agitated....

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....before a grimly determined Luke tells him to hang on, as they are almost there....

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....for he is now fully-aware of the great task ahead, and his date with destiny....as a certain ominous Imperial flagship awaits in the vicinity of his final destination... 

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The fifth and last post, showing some 'alternatives', will follow shortly - 

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Here's the fifth and last post, showing some 'alternative' possibilities....

 

The existing Stardestroyer shot could also be 'flipped' to look like shots C and D  (A precedent for 'flipping' was already set in ANH:R, where the Stardestroyer now fires on the 'manoeuvering' Millennium Falcon from the right of the frame, instead of the left).  Again, we see a little more of the 'Fleet', guarding their 'Sectors'. 

There could be a distant 'Executor', instead of a distant Stardestroyer, as currently seen in shots E and F, which is the LEFT-hand side passing on the RIGHT of the Hoth Planet -

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....or the existing Stardestroyer shot could remain as seen in shots A and B, while the 'interior' shot could be 'flipped' to look like shots G and H, instead , which is the RIGHT-hand side passing on the LEFT of the Hoth Planet - 

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....or perhaps something like this, where the first shot of the Stardestroyer is 'flipped', but combines with this version of the RIGHT-hand side of the 'interior', as seen in Shots I and J, which will seem to move slowly to the LEFT of the frame -

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....or something like this, where the LEFT-hand side of the 'interior' will seem to move slowly to the RIGHT of the frame instead, as seen in shots 7 and 8 - 

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And just as a final thought, where Captain Needa's Shuttle is concerned.... 

Although the existing Shuttle in 'Empire' exits from the bigger, MAIN 'bay', the Shuttle in the beginning of 'Jedi', exits from the smaller, FRONT 'bay' instead....  Shot K, seen here, gives a better idea of this possible 'variation'.  Either way, it would be neat to have the new Shuttle still have a 'swooping around and downwards' quality, either to the left, or to the right, towards the 'Executor', as this current 'movement' nicely matches the score that accompanies it.  Just another thought. 

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Thanks for listening, and I hope there's been something for you to like along the way.

Many thanks to you again doubleofive.  This 'sequence' is now officially DONE!  :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Whew!  Anxious times....  You can have your thread back now Adywan, and Jay, your a genius!....  :)

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Wow, I need A soda after lookin at that. By the Way, what do you mean by "This Sequence" Im sure Adywan will be pleased,

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It's like a great burden has been lifted off my shoulders.  I feel sorry for those on dial up, but Adywan said we could post them however big we wanted!

Looks great, ImperialFighter.  It was an honor working with you.

I just want to take this opportunity to point out that in shot 46, you can totally see through the X-Wing.  And I also think its selfish that Luke is flying away from Hoth all alone, instead of escorting any transports, but that would be pretty hard to do.

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Happy to ease your burden doubleofive, lol!  I'm glad you like how things came out.  As far as that point, there is an element or two in 'Jedi' that I know would have worked for Luke accompanying a Transport, along with another X-Wing, but to be honest, I wouldn't be so hard on him -  After listening more closely to the dialogue, it seems that the Rebel Transport that took off before he got a chance to get into his X-wing, was the LAST one that needed to leave.  Hey, the pilots of it didn't wait for Luke at the end of the day, and you can see that there were at least 2 X-Wings to escort it away already.  I reckon he'd done his bit at the end of the day, by bringing down that AT-AT single-handledly!  Hope that helps a little. 

Yes, you can see the 'starfield' through that shot.  I actually noticed one involving the Falcon, that Adywan can perhaps sort eventually.  But that, and a couple of other things, are for another day.  I need to go for a long lie in a dark room after all the problems of our recent efforts....  Worked out fine in the end though.  :)

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I haven't looked at the sequence where the Star Destroyers approach Hoth, but when they cut to the interior of the ship, having Hoth located to the left of the screen with no movement doesn't imply to me that they're approaching from the right side of the planet.  The perspective from the bridge would naturally be different than the exterior shot and that may indeed be their viewpoint.  However, if Hoth is "floating" to the left side of the screen in the interior shot, then by all means tweak that as the Destroyer is then headed on a different trajectory than the exterior shot.

I need to reiterate that I don't think any TIEs should be seen flying around Bespin until the Falcon starts its escape for reasons I went into a long time ago in pages far, far away....

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The thing is with the interior of the ship is that they're looking out what is shown to be the side of the bridge, not the front, so unless the Star Destroyer was orbiting the planet sidewides, the shot doesn't work currently.

And just to be clear, I just did what I was told concerning these shots.  I like all of the Hoth shots we posted, but I'm not so sure about the Bespin ones.  I believe that I ended up agreeing with Savage on the point, but ImperialFighter (and me too) was just trying to show Adywan all of the opportunities he could take.

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Yes. Thats one of the flaws with Empire, is that theres not enough Imperial presence on screen at any one time.

I think most people will agree on the build up to the attack on hoth is lacking, and perhaps looks like a budget cut on the imperials point of view, compared to the armada of of battle ships at the start of epiosde 3 or the death star battle of Jedi. Shots 12 and 13 could also do with populating on a greater scale, to show how the ion cannon cuts through the imperial attack to create an escape route for the rebel transport (as opposed to the one ship).

At first glance i thought you were over using the Execudor shots there but i can totally understand your reasoning when reading your suggestions (though i think the shot in 7 and 8 is too in your face as i think it would hang back from the first wave of attack akin to the japanise did with the Yamato battleship in WWII. I also always looked at that as being a shot from the bridge, until now, and i agree, it is really a port side window).

Sorry, the Bespin tie fighters are to me an un-needed destraction though, as the film works well enough without the need to tinker there.

Also 5 and 6 would be one of 'those' moments that really stand out from the original cut, and i would love to see that in one way or another.

Well done 005 and Imperial Fighter, even if nothing comes into fruitation in the end that was a great read/viewing. And I love seeing realistic ideas here that think outside the box, just without being 'outside' the box.

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I'm not so sure about "not enough Imperial presence".  One of the things the films deal with thematically is the Empire's arrogance, that just the fact that they're there should be enough to scare people.  To that end, they don't send everything they've got to every battle, just what they think will be needed for the situation.  All they expected to be escaping from Hoth was a couple of slow, bulky transports, a few fighters and the Falcon.  From the Empire's perspective, the Falcon was the only one that was a challenge - the rest were fish in a barrel.

As far as all the "ship travel direction" stuff, that feels like it's getting nit-picky.  If you've ever tried to take real photos of objects staged a certain way you know that camera angles, shapes and perspective can play tricks on you if you're not careful.  I read that when they first started filming the Enterprise D for Star Trek:TNG, the oval saucer was throwing them off - they had to film the ship from weird angles and going in illogical directions to correct the skewed perspective to make it look like it was going straight on screen.  Could be something similar happening here.

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Well When It comes down to it, It the AdyMans Choice, he holds the power. For me, just seeing it color Fixed is good enough with me.

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Excellent work, guys! :)

I just finished making this, for fun:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b302/Ripplin/execncc.png

I have always wanted to see Star Wars and Star Trek integrated into one movie/TV episode. I know it will probably never happen, but it would be neat! There have been a handful of attempts (mostly comedy), but no fully integrated stories or anything.

Unless you guys know of one...

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I'm not so sure about "not enough Imperial presence".  One of the things the films deal with thematically is the Empire's arrogance, that just the fact that they're there should be enough to scare people.  To that end, they don't send everything they've got to every battle, just what they think will be needed for the situation.  All they expected to be escaping from Hoth was a couple of slow, bulky transports, a few fighters and the Falcon.  From the Empire's perspective, the Falcon was the only one that was a challenge - the rest were fish in a barrel.

As far as all the "ship travel direction" stuff, that feels like it's getting nit-picky.  If you've ever tried to take real photos of objects staged a certain way you know that camera angles, shapes and perspective can play tricks on you if you're not careful.  I read that when they first started filming the Enterprise D for Star Trek:TNG, the oval saucer was throwing them off - they had to film the ship from weird angles and going in illogical directions to correct the skewed perspective to make it look like it was going straight on screen.  Could be something similar happening here.

Agreed. But with a force large enough to control a galaxy, even a small showing of power from the Empror should be over whelming enough to shock the viewer primarily into thinking resistance may be futile (what the hell am i going on about?).

What! Enterprise! Imperial alligence? Perhaps theres another story there (oh god, damn the repercussions of even suggesting that here!).

Josh, who is AdyMan? No idea who your going on about, but who ever he is, it would be his choice anyway, despite you saying that it maybe his choice in the end. And i have been sleeping like a log ever since (for a change, just got the one eye open these last few nights, and the guard stick is no longer under my pillow now, but its close enough). I think YOUR threats are futile perhaps :-D

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That was a VERY interesting analysis of many items from ESB that I never noticed were continuity errors! This has been very educational for me! Thanks for posting!

 

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Same, I'm full of knowledge. What was wrong with that SD in ROTJ, upside down, lol. (By the way, Trooperman posted vids of SOTDS, Just saying!)

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Good ideas, I definitely agree with increased Imperial prescence. 

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What! Enterprise! Imperial alligence? Perhaps theres another story there (oh god, damn the repercussions of even suggesting that here!).

 

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I'm not so sure about "not enough Imperial presence".  One of the things the films deal with thematically is the Empire's arrogance, that just the fact that they're there should be enough to scare people.  To that end, they don't send everything they've got to every battle, just what they think will be needed for the situation.  All they expected to be escaping from Hoth was a couple of slow, bulky transports, a few fighters and the Falcon.  From the Empire's perspective, the Falcon was the only one that was a challenge - the rest were fish in a barrel.

 

 

I feel the same way, the SSD was enough "Shock and awe." Put it in any fleet and thats enough presence in my opinion.

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Ziz said:

I'm not so sure about "not enough Imperial presence".  One of the things the films deal with thematically is the Empire's arrogance, that just the fact that they're there should be enough to scare people.  To that end, they don't send everything they've got to every battle, just what they think will be needed for the situation.  All they expected to be escaping from Hoth was a couple of slow, bulky transports, a few fighters and the Falcon.  From the Empire's perspective, the Falcon was the only one that was a challenge - the rest were fish in a barrel.

 

 

I feel the same way, the SSD was enough "Shock and awe." Put it in any fleet and thats enough presence in my opinion.

But if you'll all notice, we didn't add any additional Star Destroyers to the fleet.  It's just that after Shot 001, we added what those same ships should look like to "deploy the fleet so nothing gets off the system."  The only Star Destroyer we see in the blockade is all alone, then gets ion cannoned.  There should be at least 2 others according to previous shots of Vader's fleet, plus the Executor but we don't see any of them until they are chasing the Falcon to and through the asteroid field.  Then there's at least 3 others unless they fixed the ion cannoned ship, with two collidiing or nearly doing so.  Then there's 2 next the Executor, then one gets destroyed in the asteroid field, then there's 2 near the Executor, then 3 go off into hyperspace.  We have evidence of more than one Star Destroyer at Hoth with as many as 7 if they couldn't repair those that were damaged, so I think a more impressive blockade of Hoth might at least show one Star Destroyer in the background not getting disabled.

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Hi, I created this account just to ask you something. I just saw your edition of the first Star Wars and seeing that you are redoing the second one, I really have to ask if something would be possible for you to modify.

It is something that has always bugged me about the movie since I saw it in 1980 in theaters and every time I saw it on videos after. Maybe you have addressed it already, I didn't know how I could find it in the 108 pages here.

When the rebels escape from the snow planet at the beginning, you have that huge canon fire a gigantic laser bolt at the imperial ship coming in on them (you have it pictured a few posts back). You expect something awesome to happen but all you see is a bunch of electric-like bolts surrounding the ship's model and it drifts away. I mean, I understand that back then they needed to keep that huge model intact for many more shots and that was an economical way of doing things but it just looks awful and cheap. It's something that Richard Edlund did on many gigs.

 

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