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Personally, I like seeing the Wampa in the SE, but this is Ady's edit so ultimately it's up to him whether or not to include those shots.
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lol...
I would hate to get into an extra-cannonical argument on who's leading the rebels... but if I had to venture a bet... I'd say that Leia, Luke, and Han are those who choose that position.
Notice Mon Mothma isn't with them.. I would say that the Rebel Alliance broke apart... and sent out to distant corners of the galaxy so that if they did get attacked, the whole alliance woudn't be destroyed in "one swift stroke."
Then you have the alliance fleet out in space.
If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that Luke could have led the alliance to Hoth saying it was a good place to hide... using the force as his guide... but not knowing much about EU I couldn't say... but it is, I suppose, a bit odd of a line. He's not REALLY in charge... but he could have still led them to Hoth...
Like how Lara Roslin led the caravan of the stars to the home of the 13th colony... she may not have done it alone... but the records of Pithia say such... is she wrong? lol
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i very like adywan' reconstruction of films, but i am affraid its impossible to create 2 versions of E5 and E6 (with SE scenes and without them). Too bad :(
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I agree with Darth Solo, seven, and others that there is no sense in belaboring a point that has been absolutely, irreversibly settled. Indeed it should go without saying that any post in this thread may be disregarded. And us newer members are less aware of what has been so definitively settled. Hopefully that doesn't the quash freedom to opine on various aspects of the movie. I suppose there is a fine line between nagging and trying to persuade. I agree with ChainsawAsh's take on the SE Wampa and feel that a non-reveal leaves one wondering as to the importance of the Wampa (purely a plot device that doesn't need to be seen, a deficiency in the costume, purely symbolic) whereas a reveal functions as looking at things from Luke's point of view (which is why we only saw flashes of fur up to that point), but Adywan's sensibilities shall prevail and shall be appreciated.
I also have to say I'm impressed at some of the details that are caught by many on here (look of various planets). I have mixed feelings now about the crawl which I had never thought about before. Part of me doesn't want the original preface messed with...but would prefer a logical and accurate description of Luke's role (at best, the crawl is misleading). I suppose this is similar to the (non-)debate over the Wampa.
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Ziz said:Ok, in an attempt to help not only Ady with this but everyone else, and to give everyone a common frame of reference (in more ways than one) I whipped up this shot by shot comparison of the SE and GOUT Wampa sequences. The frame grabs aren't perfectly time-synced, but rather just to illustrate which shot we're talking about. I've also numbered them, with SE specific shots given sub-letter designations.
SE is on the left, GOUT is on the right.
GOUT3 and GOUT15 were flat-out replaced.
I'm guessing that SE7a is either an insert into the middle of GOUT7, splitting it into two shots (SE7 and SE7b) or that SE7b is a repeat of the end of GOUT7. My machine can't handle running two videos in parallel to compare them exactly. I'm sure Ady or someone else can give a definitive answer.
As for MJPollard's suggestion, maybe SE23a can be salvaged by matting in a section of the arm from SE15 to solve the shoulder/elbow issue?
What is the deal with the lightsaber handle in picture #20?
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Max_Rebo said:Here's a potentially controversial suggestion which has always bothered me a little, I was reminded of it when I read someone on another site making the same observation.
If we look at the opening crawl there is one obvious error:
It is a dark time for the Rebellion. Although the Death Star has been destroyed, Imperial troops have driven the Rebel forces from their hidden base and pursued them across the galaxy.
Evading the dreaded Imperial Starfleet, a group of freedom fighters led by Luke Skywalker has established a new secret base on the remote ice world of Hoth.
The evil lord Darth Vader obsessed with finding young Skywalker, has dispatched thousands of remote probes into the far reaches of space....
Luke was not the leader of the rebels so to say he led the group who established the base is vastly inaccurate, this bothers me every time I watch Empire but I'm not really sure if I'd want it changed or if there is a good way to change it.
as I see it there are a couple of options
you could change it to read "led by Princess Leia" which would be more accurate but would necesitate changing the third paragraph to "obsessed with finding Luke Skywalker", but as a whole I don't think that reads as well, changing it to "obsessed with finding the rebel base" reads better but doesn't give us the right information.
the other option would be to change it so it doesn't say "led by" so maybe it could be "a group of freedom fighters including Luke Skywalker" or something to that effect maybe "joined by" or "accompanied by"
as I said the main reason I don't really think it should be changed is because I can't think of a better way to phrase it, but maybe someone else can.
To be fair, I don't see a lot wrong with Luke being named as A leader of a GROUP of freedom fighters. It doesn't mention that he is THE leader of the Rebels, just that he is leading a group of them that established the base on Hoth. It is possible to have an advance party establish a base before the main group turns up and is frequently the case - after all, far better to send out a scout party and ensure it is safe before sending in the commanding officer, no? Where's the CO gonna pitch their tent if the shield hasn't been built?
It does show Luke as a person who has made major steps in his life from simple farmboy to a leader of people then onward toward being the last Jedi, so it is a logical expansion of his character too...in my opinion anyway.
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Ady, have you given any thought to re-making the crawl? From your HD example the crawl, as it comes into view, doesn't look nice and straight....
Didn't you re-create the ANH:R crawl? Maybe the same is in order for ESB:R? What you think?
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Something that I really liked about the actual 'STAR WARS' logo on ANH:R, was the slightly emboldened outline of the lettering. It's a subtle thing, but makes it even better.
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vbangle said:Ady, have you given any thought to re-making the crawl? From your HD example the crawl, as it comes into view, doesn't look nice and straight....
Didn't you re-create the ANH:R crawl? Maybe the same is in order for ESB:R? What you think?
yeh i noticed the crawl isn't too straight and i may do soething about that. i Didn't recreate the crawl for ANH:R i just straightened it a little. I'll have to recreate them for the PT but i want to use the originals for the OT
ImperialFighter said:Something that I really liked about the actual 'STAR WARS' logo on ANH:R, was the slightly emboldened outline of the lettering. It's a subtle thing, but makes it even better.
Not sure what you mean here because i didn't do anything to the logo exept use one from one of the other language versions due to a problem with the original lettering.
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adywan said:ImperialFighter said:Something that I really liked about the actual 'STAR WARS' logo on ANH:R, was the slightly emboldened outline of the lettering. It's a subtle thing, but makes it even better.
Not sure what you mean here because i didn't do anything to the logo exept use one from one of the other language versions due to a problem with the original lettering.
I remember noticing what I thought was a very slightly-'thicker' outline, when I first saw ANH:R. I froze both yours and the SE version to check, some time later. It's hard to notice when you watch them moving, as the SE version goes past so quick in comparison. I originally thought it might be because yours recedes far slower (thankfully), but having looked again, I still reckon the one you used, is in fact ever so slightly, a more 'uniform' thickness overall, than the one that is on my english language version. It seems that way to me anyway, but I could be imagining it. Look at the likes of the SE's vertical outline of the left-side of the 'R' in 'WARS', for instance, if you get round to having a check. It just seems that it is slightly 'skinnier' there, as well as in a couple of other places, than it is on the one you used.
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i very like adywan' reconstruction of films, but i am affraid its impossible to create 2 versions of E5 and E6 (with SE scenes and without them). Too bad :(
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Fjodin said:i very like adywan' reconstruction of films, but i am affraid its impossible to create 2 versions of E5 and E6 (with SE scenes and without them). Too bad :(
"Always with you it can not be done".
It's not impossible, you just have to wait for Adywan to work his magic and then isolate the scenes you would like back and return them. These are fan editions and edits after all (giving Adywan a deserved credit would be the gentlepersonly thing to do naturally). Everyone on here is essentially playing with other people's crayons (even George Lucas couldn't have got the films made without the work of others and he added to and took away from that with all his versions) so adjusting Adywan's final result to suit your own preferences is perfectly fine.
Impossible it is not, to get it to look and sound right, hard work it is.
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I think with some very careful editing and fine tuning the effects here and there, you may be able to incorporate the SE elements and the OT elements quite nicely, as in the Wampa scenes etc, without making it too SE crowded.
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Sluggo said:Ziz said:Ok, in an attempt to help not only Ady with this but everyone else, and to give everyone a common frame of reference (in more ways than one) I whipped up this shot by shot comparison of the SE and GOUT Wampa sequences. The frame grabs aren't perfectly time-synced, but rather just to illustrate which shot we're talking about. I've also numbered them, with SE specific shots given sub-letter designations.
SE is on the left, GOUT is on the right.
GOUT3 and GOUT15 were flat-out replaced.
I'm guessing that SE7a is either an insert into the middle of GOUT7, splitting it into two shots (SE7 and SE7b) or that SE7b is a repeat of the end of GOUT7. My machine can't handle running two videos in parallel to compare them exactly. I'm sure Ady or someone else can give a definitive answer.
As for MJPollard's suggestion, maybe SE23a can be salvaged by matting in a section of the arm from SE15 to solve the shoulder/elbow issue?
What is the deal with the lightsaber handle in picture #20?
No deal. It's just motion blur.
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It doesn't look like motion blur.
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Sluggo said:It doesn't look like motion blur.
They aren't from exactly the same frame so it makes sense that some of the shot on one side has motion blur when some of the shot on the other does not.
It certainly looks like motion blur from where I'm sitting.
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Thank you, Bingo. It helps when people read the text on the original post.
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It just looks like the saber handle had a glow added to it when it was re-rotoscoped for the SE.
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Sluggo said:It just looks like the saber handle had a glow added to it when it was re-rotoscoped for the SE.
It doesn't. It's just a reflection on the silver hilt.
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<Nevermind redundant>
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I'm unable to watch any of the high definition videos/files, because my computer isn't fast enough, I'm unable to afford a faster one. :(
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Do you have any current generation consoles?
my Xbox360 kicks my Computers ass at playing HD content.
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1anakin said:I'm unable to watch any of the high definition videos/files, because my computer isn't fast enough, I'm unable to afford a faster one. :(
Thanks for sharing I guess.
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That line about Luke sort of bothers me too sometimes, but I rationalized as meaning that Luke led the efforts to find a new base (perhaps using his rogue squadron), not that he was in charge of thw whole base. It's obvious from the film itself that General Rieekan is the military officer in charge, with Leia as the highest of the political branch.
Of course it would be possible to change the scroll to "a group of freedom fighters, guided by Luke Skywalker..." But I'm not sure if it should be done.
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Okay Adywan, doubleofive, and others that may be interested.
I'm ready to send the completed 5 consecutive posts, in a few moments, showing some ideas in 'mock-up' form, where some 'Imperial Fleet' shots are concerned. They are reasonably small additions mainly, but there may be something that folks like in the way of changes to some of these scenes. I'm quite certain that Adywan is going to give himself (and us) something fresh to look at in some of these altered shots, shown here, anyway. I'm very much looking forward to whatever he finally produces, as I will be looking at his edit as my default version, if it's even half as good as ANH:R was.
Now hopefully, I'll do this right, as a bit of work went into all this. With any luck, no-one will post in the next few minutes, till I get a chance to upload ALL 5 posts, one after the other. There has been some glitches in getting these prepared on this forum, and I have no idea if it will cut off somewhere it shouldn't, or how it cuts off to go onto a 'fresh' page even. Hopefully, it will all come out good enough to follow....