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The pod race went on too long in its theatrical version. And I was appalled to find out that it had originally been much longer. But I was even more shocked to find them admitting that the longer pod race was too boring only to have them say, "But we added a lot of this back for the DVD." Dumbest thing ever...

And I do agree that the Jabba stuff went on a little bit too long, but it does fit into the plot, it does show off Luke's skill and leadership abilities, and Leia... well, I needn't say anymore, do I?

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: battlewars
the pod race is okay if you like nascar, which i find boring. wish it had been more like a stree race rather than laps

I can't stand NASCAR. I agree, those NASCAR races are boring as hell. But I like the pod race OK.

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape

And I do agree that the Jabba stuff went on a little bit too long, but it does fit into the plot, it does show off Luke's skill and leadership abilities, and Leia... well, I needn't say anymore, do I?


Indeed.
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I love the ROTJ Jabba scenes. I don't think they're too long at all. But that's just me. It's the Ewok stuff that I think goes on too long. The whole retelling of SW by Threepio to the Ewoks....boring.
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I think 3PO's storytelling is interesting... but continuity-threatening. Remember in Star Wars when he says he's "not very good at telling stories... or not at making them very interesting anyway."

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Ok, maybe I will be blasted by posting this.

The thing about Leia remembering her mother, I don't have anything wrong with it, you know why? Because she may be talking about her adopted mother, not her bioligical one, lots of adopted kids , when they talked about their parents, they don't talk about their bioligical ones, they refer their adopted ones because it is them (adopted parents) who raised them (adopted kids). So when Luke ask Leia if she remembers about her mother, he does not specify if it is her bilogical or her adopted mother. To me, Leia is talking about her adopted mother, and that scene is totally right to me. I don't know why fans are so confused about it. That rotj scene works totally with me.
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i was just watching the old cbs fox tape and that luke and leia scene kinda does work in conjunction with the pt. for instance why does luke look shocked that he never knew his mother? could be hes bothered he cant feel her through the force like leia can
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Originally posted by: dubmaster
Ok, maybe I will be blasted by posting this.

The thing about Leia remembering her mother, I don't have anything wrong with it, you know why? Because she may be talking about her adopted mother, not her bioligical one, lots of adopted kids , when they talked about their parents, they don't talk about their bioligical ones, they refer their adopted ones because it is them (adopted parents) who raised them (adopted kids). So when Luke ask Leia if she remembers about her mother, he does not specify if it is her bilogical or her adopted mother. To me, Leia is talking about her adopted mother, and that scene is totally right to me. I don't know why fans are so confused about it. That rotj scene works totally with me.


It's been a theory proposed many times. But it doesn't work in two contexts: it doesn't work in an emotional context because if we accept that she's talking about her adoptive mother, then the scene between her and Luke has no meaning. George Lucas may or may not have lost his touch, but I don't think he would be as ineffective as to do that. Which brings me to the second point: Lucas has stated in the past that the reason he wrote that scene in the first place was because he said he wanted one of the kids to remember their mother.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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i dont know what to think with that scene anymore, someone HELP ME!
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Luke asked Leia wht she remembered about her "real" mother. So I would guess that Leia knew she was adopted, othewise she would have gone "What the hell you talkin 'bout?"
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Yeah, it definately wasn't her adopted mother she was talking about there. It was Padme.
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Originally posted by: battlewars
i dont know what to think with that scene anymore, someone HELP ME!


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If you don't buy the force memories baloney, then you won't buy the scene, cause that is the only rationale by the PT defenders, and to me that is searching for straws.

This is what I do Battlewars, I pretend when watching the OT it is still before 1999, and just like Luke, I have memory of the PT, and the scenes means that Leia was taken away at childbirth to live with her real mom, and Luke was sent to Uncle Owen, who we don't know who Owen is related to, and Luke/Leia's mom dies when Leia is about 3-4 years old, but does have memories of her being sad and beautiful.

It was never put on sceen like that, but it worked me up May 19, 2005, until Padme died, and I realized Lucas didn't care about continuity. After 3 what if...Prequels, I started thinking like Renee Zellweger in Jerry Maguire, "Lucas had it me at Star Wars."
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Leia doesn't remember going to Dairy Queen with her mother every Saturday during the summer. She remembers images, feelings. That's so vague and ambiguous that it really doesn't mean anything. She could have been shown pictures and heard stories when she was young. I just don't think it's that big of a deal.
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By the way, to me, the definition of a real mother is someone who was present to provide anything a mother should provide. Anyways, Anyone can have a theory, in the end, the Luke and Leia scene is totally fine by me. To each his own.

Just by personal experience, I have known adopted kids, like I posted earlier, they considered their true ( or real) parents those who raised them, because they provided 'real' presence, and when they met their bioligical parents later in their life, it is an acquaintance, if it is good reunion, then they are glad they have met them, if the reunion is bad, then they disowned them, they don't want to do anything with them.
Anyways, maybe it is repetitive.

Just to post again, the endor scene has emotionnal impact in my book. but then again to each his own.
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I actually took a look at this scene a while back for the guys over in the SW preservation forum doing the "saga" edit.

The best bet for Lucas, if he wishes to fix this mess for the 2007 "archival" editions would be this plan of action:

1. In ROTJ, delete Luke's line of "I have no memory of my mother." As a test, I edited the scene so that the line is removed, and it works surprisingly well without it. In fact, it makes it appear as if Luke does remember his mother, but that he is only asking Leia.

2. In ROTS, re-edit the Padme death/Luke and Leia birth scene so that Leia is born first, and make it appear that she is the one who spends the most time with her mother and is with her at death.
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Here's my problems w/ Jedi, Lando is after Han's rescue is wasted as a character, sorry, but no way he'd get promoted to general that fast. Boba Fett's death, again, no way would one of the galaxy's baddest MF'ers out there go to his death screaming like a punk much less the whole SE edition of being some kind of a ladies man. Less is more w/ characters like this. Realistically he shouldn't even be there he collected his bounty and should be out lookin for the next one. But w/ SW: SE he's really nothin but another flunkey for Jabba. Leia as Luke's sister is a little too much but its not the end of the world for me. But the thing that keeps Jedi from being better than ESB or SW is the f'n EWOKS! Why not just use Wookies? I really wish somebody edit the ewoks out of Jedi as much as possible along w/ Fett's scream, remove that f'n stoopid song from the SE and somehow have Fett's hand shoot out of the Sarlacc at the end of the Tatooine sequence.
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this can be interpreted in a lot of ways....

I can understand some of you who has a problem with that scene,

Luke's line "I have no memory of my mother." to me it means he wished he had, in the end, it is all good to me.

at the risk to sound repetitive, everything is alright, ROTJ is great. My favorite version of ROTJ is the ADigitalman's one.
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Me too, I wished they used wookies instead of ewoks, it was Lucas's first intentions, I guess it was money issues. He could not afford it. I can respect that not necessarily approved lol.
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well he wanted the ewoks to be primitive to contrast with the empire. he already had chewie being sophisticated so that wouldnt work in the new context. even in rots they arent low tech like the ewoks ended up being. although im sure he made them cute for marketing reasons
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
There is no way ROTJ is inferior to any Prequel film.

*raises her wine glass* Hear! Hear! I agree, good sir.

ROTJ is still wonderful. The PT can't even touch that movie. If there are any inconsistancies, it is because the PT couldn't pull it's head out of it's ass and become a great film trilogy.

It still get goosebumps to this day whenever I watch the final duel between Vader and Luke. It's not fancy, but it doesn't have to be. Luke doesn't need to do a fly-fly-turny-fly-kick to Vader's face and stuff. Luke is caught up in pure rage and is just swinging his saber around trying to kill Vader. The music is what sells that scene and I love it.

Then followed up by the Emperor killing Luke slowly on the throne room floor as Luke cries out in pain, begging his father to do something; anything.

I didn't see anything of that caliber in the PT. Not once.

If anything ROTJ is a BETTER film because of the PT.


Originally posted by: battlewars
...have you seen rots lately? i got through the first 3 minutes but by the time i got to the buzz droids i quickly lost interest


Yesterday (I was bored) I pulled out my ROTS DVD and was watching the first deleted scene with Shak-ti and the dialogue was so bad that I literly screamed out in horror. My aunt came downstairs to see if I was okay. She thought that I had either broke my toe or that I was turning into the Incredible Hulk.

I mean, for god's sake!! Could the dialogue get anymore worse!? Here you have that girl die, rather, blandly, and then you've got Anakin say, "That was a bad." Followed by an even worse line by Obi-Wan, "Mistake."

AURUGHHH!!
"That was a bad." is not a sentance people! Learn some grammar. You need a subject to tie in with that predicate! Aughh! The fact that Obi-Wan then woodenly says "mistake" just makes me cry. Who the hell talks like that?
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Jenny it's a damn shame that your the only wise and completely sane female star wars fan
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Who the hell talks like that?


Exactly what Carrie Fisher said about her line "Governor Tarkin, I should have recognized your foul stench when I was brought onboard."
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Who the hell talks like that?


Exactly what Carrie Fisher said about her line "Governor Tarkin, I should have recognized your foul stench when I was brought onboard."


Yes, but how many bad or cheesy lines are there in the original SW? Or the original trilogy for that matter? Probably a handful, I'll admit, but it PALES in comparison to the PT. 90% of the PT is BAD dialogue.
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Again, I like the PT, but I'm inclined to agree. I'd take "Governor Tarkin, I should have recognized your foul stench when I was brought onboard." over "No, it's because I'm so in love with you!" anyday.
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