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euroherbal said:

Ady, are you going to fix 3PO's head's back side (actually, Anthony Daniel's "face") when Chewbacca is fixing him in the prison cell at Cloud City?

They tried to sort of fix it in 2004 DVD, but they left the job unfinished...

Screen captures here and here

 

I just checked on that...as someone said before: these forums make me feel like so unattentive.....like a lousy fan. (BTW back after an almost year-long abssence, glad to see the ammount of pages DOUBLED while I was gone  :P)

 

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Jedi Dark Knight said:

I just checked on that...as someone said before: these forums make me feel like so unattentive.....like a lousy fan. (BTW back after an almost year-long abssence, glad to see the ammount of pages DOUBLED while I was gone  :P)
So you checked on it, what did you find?!

BTW, if you want to feel inattentive, try this thread on for size:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Complete-Comparison-of-Special-Edition-Visual-Changes/topic/11927/

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Ufortunately, I'm not able to upload a movie clip for you to show, but the segment I want you to check out is from 2:30 to 2:50 in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEHDA9OyyDU

Watch closely as you will see the back of 3PO's to be strangely "bulgy", mostly near the neck, as is the place where Anthony Daniels' chin protudes (he had 3PO's face behind his own, because Chewbacca screwed the droid's head backwards). It's something that annoyed me every time since I saw this scene for the very first time...

Hope this sheds some more light to it! :)

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His nose is also visible in the scene, covered in gold tape.  Always bugs me when I see it.

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Nice catch..........I wouldn't be surprised if it was something AdY already caught and fixed.

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005, pretty much what the others have mentioned, now I dunno if this happens to you guys, but after someone points out something you hadn't caught on, from then on that's the only thing you can focus in that scene! LOL! I gotta fight now against all this to still enjoy the movie! hahaha. 

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"Now the Jedi are all but extinct" - Obi-Wan Kenobi, ANH

"I hate old times" - Batman to John Stewart, A Better World
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Jedi Dark Knight said:

I gotta fight now against all this to still enjoy the movie! hahaha. 

At least until ESB:R comes out and all of those little goofs are fixed!

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Even so, it would make more sense (to me) to show the Falcon moving away from us, since that is what it was doing in the previous shot as it was leaving the underbelly of the frigate, as opposed to just veering off to the left.  That's all I'm sayin'.

I tried it with the falcon  just flying straight towards it, but in the final shot there was nothing to see. The falcon works best if it veers off to the left and in the final shot we can see it in the distance flying off screen

Understandable; I never thought that the Falcon would already be pretty small in the picture and having it fly directly away from us could get it lost in the galaxy image.

I guess maybe actually show the Falcon heading directly away and veer to the left/lower left (or even more to the center left of the screen)?  That way you still have a good profile of the Falcon, and altering the left turn towards the lower end of the screen as opposed to the higher end would keep it in the same general plane of space it was when it left from underneath the frigate.

Overall, I'm just a composition guy.  It's not a big deal, but the Falcon always looked weird just flying off to the upper left corner the way it does.

 

Okay adywan, I've been meaning to bring up a few things to do with the whole 'galaxy' sequence ever since Monroville first brought it up on page 146 in 2008.  (but I knew it would need a long post to describe properly, so kept putting it off, lol)  Better late than never, I guess!  :)

Since then, you've confirmed that you think of the 'celestial object' as being a distant 'star' that's forming, as opposed to being the distant 'galaxy' where Han is being kept prisoner.  And your interpretation certainly works for me, as it makes sense of Lando's eventual 'wayward' flightpath upwards to the left, and away from the 'celestial object', if this is the case...

(Alternatively, for anyone that still wants to look on the original effect as a 'galaxy' as described in the screenplay...well, it's not necessarily the one where Tatooine and Han are located...and could just be a *random* 'Star Wars galaxy' seen in the far distance...which would equally account for why the Falcon currently flies away in a different direction from it, instead of heading towards it)

Either way, I see you've also now confirmed that you're planning on keeping a similar Falcon flightpath in the overall sequence, as seen originally.  However, there are a couple of things I'd like to bring up about the Falcon's current trajectory between the various shots, so I've organised these screenshots of the sequence to help me explain my thoughts better to everyone, as I go along (but you really need to study the actual footage to see the proper movements, of course) -

 

Shot 1.  At the start of this shot below, the Falcon is 'hovering' and turning around a little, just slightly below and along from the position where the window with Luke, Leia, R2 and C3PO is situated 'offscreen' on the left of the frame.  As it does this, the 'Medical Frigate' continues to move along to the left...so that by the time the Falcon finally blasts away near the end of the shot, the 'offscreen' window is a good bit away to the left of it at this point... 

 

Shot 2.  ...we then cut to this next shot below (I didn't have time to grab the exact start and finish of this, so you'd need to study the footage) which shows the Falcon now appearing from a point underneath the middle of the window, as it heads towards the right-hand side of the 'celestial body' in the distance, and ends up roughly in line with, and just slightly to the right of the 'small white dot', before the shot ends... 

...but the Falcon's appearance from underneath the middle of the 'Medical Frigate's window here has always seemed wrong to me, due to the fact that the window had moved quite a bit away from the position from where the 'hovering' Falcon blasted away in Shot 1 just beforehand.

However, judging by the angle of the Falcon in adywan's recent new screenshot below, it looks like this problem is 'fixed' now, and will tie-in far better with the previous shot...

   

So far so good, and this new shot looks great.

 

Shot 3.  ...but we then cut to this next shot of Leia and Luke looking out at the Falcon...

...and this is where my own particular problems with the sequence start...because as the shot progresses (and again, I didn't have time to grab a shot from the very end of this, so you'd need to study the footage), not only do their eyes 'follow' the flight of the Falcon upwards, but they also slowly look over to (their) right...especially Leia, who is looking quite a bit over to her right by the very end of the shot.  And bear in mind that the 'Medical Frigate' is still continuing to travel to Leia's right during this shot too...so this makes the Falcon's existing position that we previously saw at the very end of Shot 2 seem as if it didn't go far enough over to the right of that shot, before it eventually starts to 'veer around' offscreen during this one... 

So I reckon that Leia's 'eye-line' here indicates that the Falcon should have been seen to pass 'across' her viewpoint a bit more to the right in Shot 2, compared to what it currently shows...and I'm hoping that adywan's new Falcon trajectory in Shot 2 is going to show that.

 

Shot 4.  ...we then cut to this 'closer' shot of the Falcon, which happens to be my own biggest bugbear with the overall sequence...because although it certainly follows the look of the original 'storyboard' closely, I've always disliked this particular effects shot...mainly because it always looks to me as if the Falcon is just flying closely over the top of a very tiny 'celestial body' here!... 

...and there's something else that I find jarring about this shot too, although it's a bit tricky to get across -  as I say, I don't think the Falcon ended up far enough over to the right by the end of Shot 2, judging by how far over to the right that Leia is looking by the end of Shot 3...but I also don't think the starting position of the Falcon in this 'closer' shot of the 'celestial body' ties-in very well with where the Falcon ended up at the very end of Shot 2 either (and once again you need to watch the footage as I didn't have time to grab the very beginning of this shot)...because previously in Shot 2, the 'celestial body' was centrally located in the shot compared to where Luke and Leia were looking out, and it was moving slowly to their left in the shot due to the travel of the 'Medical Frigate' they were aboard...and that was before Leia then carried on looking to her right to watch the Falcon's (offscreen) trajectory. 

My point is this -  to make sense of the Falcon's direction at the start of this 'closer' shot of the 'celestial body' compared to where we last saw it at the end of Shot 2, I ideally imagine the Falcon has just ended 'veering around' (offscreen) at the moment that Leia is most looking up to her right at the very end of Shot 3...but it always seems that the Falcon should be further to the right of the frame here at the very start of this shot, than it currently is...or should even be actually entering the far right of the frame, to better match where Leia's 'eye-line' had been looking previously... 

However, at the moment I don't know where adywan's new trajectory in Shot 2 is going to end up in the frame when the shot finishes...so I'm interested to see if it ends up further over to the right of the shot than in the existing version, so that it takes Leia's continued 'look to her right' in Shot 3 into consideration. 

But whether the Falcon finishes up in roughly the same position by the end of Shot 2 as is currently shown, or not...there's still a couple of possible variations that I reckon might be worth considering for this later, 'closer' shot of the 'celestial body'.  I think it's because the Falcon element in Shot 4 doesn't seem to 'recede into the distance' very much, that always makes me think the 'celestial body' looks tiny as the Falcon heads towards it/passes closely over it...so I'd personally prefer to see the existing Falcon removed and replaced with a more obviously 'receding' Falcon element from another shot instead (if that's possible)...which would perhaps give a 'bigger scale' to the 'celestial object' in relation to it...

Here's a few screenshots/descriptions that will hopefully give an indication of the kind of thing I mean, since I've not got mock-ups organised.  Okay, this first Falcon replacement example is from 'A New Hope', and shows a more obviously 'receding' Falcon than the current one seen in Shot 4.   I reckon that if this element could be added to start further to the right of Shot 4 than the current Falcon does, close to the edge of the frame...that this would tie-in better with where Leia was previously looking, and improve the 'scale' of the 'celestial object' -  

...alternatively...since it's a 'seperate camera-angle' shot that's sandwiched between the reaction shots of Leia/Luke and R2/C3PO either side of it, I also reckon that a totally different-looking Falcon approach towards the general direction of the 'celestial object' could be used for Shot 4 altogether, that would give a more dramatic and 'close-up' visual of Lando and Chewie leaving to look for Han at the end of the movie...  You'd need to watch the footage to see the full effect, but this particular 'receding' Falcon example below is from 'A New Hope' (soon after the end of the Death Star escape/TIE dogfight), and starts it's trajectory by 'entering' the bottom of the frame, close to our viewpoint -

...and here's another possible version.  Again, you'd need to watch the footage to see the full effect, but this particular 'receding' Falcon example below is from 'Return of the Jedi' (where the Falcon veers underneath the 'Medical Frigate' during the space battle), and starts it's trajectory by 'entering' the right of the frame, close to our viewpoint.  This particular element veers to the left a little then moves upwards towards the end of the shot -

If either of these bottom 2 examples were to be used, then the prominent 'small white dot' seen near the top of the 'celestial body' could be moved nearer towards the central 'orb' in Shot 4 to help give the impression that we are seeing the Falcon approach the 'celestial body' from an angle more to the right of it...that ties-in somewhat with the position that Leia was last looking towards at the end of Shot 3.  (Unlike the example at the top though, I guess the 'engine roar' would need to be boosted up a little for either of these 2 examples, since they start off 'closer' to our viewpoint)

 

Shot 5.  ...we then cut to this next shot below of R2 and C3PO looking out...

 

Shot 6.  ...we then cut to this next shot below (which shows the very start of it), which shows the Falcon's existing final flightpath as it moves upwards to the left of the frame and away from the 'celestial' body...then disappears from our view altogether, before the shot ends a couple of seconds later...

Final thought -  adywan, I know you're also planning to keep the tiny Falcon's current trajectory going upwards to the left in this final shot, but perhaps you'd consider making it eventually 'recede' into 'nothingness' as it travels away from the 'celestial body'?  Thing is, the existing tiny Falcon element stays at roughly the same size during this shot, which kind of makes the 'celestial body' seen here seem very small in comparison too...so making it more obviously 'recede' into the distance here would help to give the 'celestial body' a bigger 'scale' in this shot...and would also help to tie-in with the Falcon's previous 'momentum' if you do decide to replace the existing Falcon element in Shot 4 with a more 'receding' one...

At the end of the day, I'm looking forward to whatever you end up doing in this sequence, as I know your blue engine glows are gonna look great throughout.  :)

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@ImperialFighter

To be honest, the continuity errors during that whole end sequence have never bothered me. They are not at the point where they stand out like the Walkers in the hoth battle do ( all over the place ).

I think the movie still works fine with or without them....the continuity errors during that end sequence I mean.

 

 

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Life would be boring without them eh?

Great analysis there ImpFighter. Pity you got the explanation from ady in PM :(

 

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vaderios said:

Pity you got the explanation from ady in PM :(

 

-Angel

 

What did Ady say?

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vaderios said:

Life would be boring without them eh?

Great analysis there ImpFighter. Pity you got the explanation from ady in PM :(

 

-Angel

I didn't give him the explanation in the PM. I sent him the video of the finale because he wouldn't have seen what i was doing with this scene in the workprint because it was finished after i sent it him.

The continuity errors have been fixed, including the transparency issues with the falcon, the strange flight path and other things

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adywan said:

I sent him the video of the finale because he wouldn't have seen what i was doing with this scene in the workprint because it was finished after i sent it him.

Aaah cool..

Can we expect future donators will receive the same clip?;)

 

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@ImperialFighter

To be honest, the continuity errors during that whole end sequence have never bothered me. They are not at the point where they stand out like the Walkers in the hoth battle do ( all over the place ).

I think the movie still works fine with or without them....the continuity errors during that end sequence I mean.

Sure, the overall movie has always been awesome, and will always work fine, no matter how many little continuity errors there are that may niggle me or anyone else.  But since there's the opportunity to bring every single one of them up to someone who is capable of improving many of them, no matter how big or small, then I'm pleased when any are highlighted.  There's certainly been a heap of things mentioned here by various people that I'd never noticed before, and that have never bothered me before...but it's sure nice to know that adywan has managed to fix so many of them so far.

Not everything that's brought up can be sorted, and there's some compromises that have to be allowed for along the way with certain other things, but I can certainly confirm that I'm extremely impressed and delighted with how everything about the section of the 'end sequence' that I brought up has been enhanced now, and I'm sure you will be too. 

 

adywan said:

The continuity errors have been fixed, including the transparency issues with the falcon, the strange flight path and other things

They certainly have been!  :)

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One thing ImperialFighter mentioned though, regardless of what the celestial object is, who ever said the Falcon was flying there. If it was supposed to be a galaxy, and I think it is, the Falcon certainly isn't flying there. This story takes place in one galaxy, far, far away. Not two. So what does any of it matter?

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I know I am always the greedy sounding one, but just asking,  NO is a fine answer that I will respect, but it has been a while, can we expect a clip for Xmas time? Hey, no heat, just asking. Cool either way.

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@Lemonstein

Just thought I would throw this in here, but at the end of ESB, Irvin Kershner says it's a galaxy we see through the bay window on the medical frigate in the Audio commentary of the 2004 dvd, and the Falcon does in fact fly away from it, and not towards it.

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If it was intended to be so it would have been an interesting step to send Lando, Chewie and Han (and presumably Jabba and his court) effectively off the map where 'there be dragons'.

It would have expanded the scope of the story rather than fast contracting it for the next episode (though to be honest a whole galaxy is a big enough sand box for most writers to play within a series of films).

In some ways I wish Luke's line about Tatooine hadn't happened so it would turn up as an ironic surprise when he did eventually return to that place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M

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Ady,

Was wondering if you could give us a short yet concise latest report?  How much is done..... how much do you have left to do?  Any current challenges?  Need any more computer monitors?  ;o)

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Jedi Dark Knight said:

I gotta fight now against all this to still enjoy the movie! hahaha. 

At least until ESB:R comes out and all of those little goofs are fixed!

sooo right dude, so right. ImpFighter certainly pulled a very almost academic post to the whole thing, I'm amazed at the guy! Good thing Ady got it perfectly and everything is on cruise control now...

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Ady are you aware of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WCj4Cj2-MI

This might solve many problems of light flickering and slight values that goes up and down during the movie.

I can remember the slight light difference when piet watches vader's helmet goes down (that you fixed) or when vader informs the bounty hunters and the wall behind him flickers.

I dont know if that plugin have a global effect but it would be nice in certain areas are more stable, lightly.

I start to believe that The foundry have many more good aspects and tools from adobe...

 

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Unfortunately they don't make the  furnacecore plugin for after effects. But there is a similar plugin but this only smooths out flickering, it doesn't fix the light value changes that are slower. It takes a reading from the white level, but many times the white point level stays the same so this can't be fixed. 

Jacen, good to see you back. Still a long way to go. Any spare time i have i'm working on the video and miniatures/ costumes etc. So i'm juggling working on this and being at my Dads at the moment.

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