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savmagoett said:

 

This is from the Savmegoett STAR WARS vehicle size chart thread.  I post this in regards to the outside view: will this be altered/enhanced in any way (be it with a model at least for the Slave 1 and gantry, so it stands out better).

Also (the main reason I posted this), shouldn't the tower behind the Slave 1 not exist, as when we see Han being loaded there is nothing but clear sky behind the Slave 1?  I know this is at an angle, but even so, you should have been able to see the building in the "loading Han aboard Slave 1" scene off to the left of the screen (which you don't).  Regardless, I think the shot would be helped by erasing the building behind Slave 1, as it would help it stand out so we could definitely see what Leia is going after.

Also also, I don't remember if Leia and company shoot any stormtroopers that were already out on the landing platform, but would it be conceivable to either show the stormtroopers on the platform outside this window shot moving to the left (as they are leaving from supervising Han's loading) and/or show light from the cargo area and show Boba getting in and the door closing (to emphasize just how close Leia got to getting to Slave 1) as Leia and company move down the hallway on the left of the screen (if this last idea was used, maybe shots of Jango from ATTACK OF THE CLONES and/or REVENGE OF THE SITH could be used - as far as shots of him walking away from the camera - as it would be at an extreme distance.  Color alterations would have to be done on the armor, but it wouldn't have to be too rigorous as the viewable figure would measure to roughly an inch at best on a good 65" HDTV))?

Maybe some running lights on Slave 1 too?   Essentially anything subtle that could add some depth and life to the outside view...

Monroville said:

My only real beef with the last shot is the trajectory of the Falcon - regardless of the galaxy being a "galaxy" or newly-forming star (or whether it is replaced by something completely different, slightly different or altogether pretty much the same thing), just seeing the Falcon veer off to the middle to upper left just looks wrong.  You almost want to yell out "Hey Lando!  The friggin galaxy is THAT way!"

you see that's why i don't think it was ever meant to be the galaxy and the explanation that came a long time after the film was released that said it was the galaxy is just another of the many history revisions surrounding these movies.  Now ILM do these shots, which are all carefully planned, and add a view of the galaxy. So why the hell did the falcon fly AWAY from it? If it was supposed to be the fleet outside of the galaxy wouldn't they have had the falcon fly towards it? I'll always see it as a forming star.

I will be adding more ships to the fleet to eliminate the static matte of the ships in the final shot, as well as other shots. Plus the falcon as it undocks from the medical frigate has a new falcon model to eliminate the really bad transparency issue and when we see it fly from the frigate from the window point of view the falcon has been replaced so it flies from the correct section of the ship instead of the incorrect way it emerges from underneath the window. In fact every shot of the falcon from its undocking, the model has been replaced

Cool enough: I always thought it WAS a galaxy because that's what it looks like... a forming star has more foggy arms which in turn (you would think) would be visibly converging into the center mass.  What you see at the end of EMPIRE... well, just looks like a regular ole galaxy with spiral arms full of stars.

   VS 

As far as the trajectory of the Falcon, it's no different than the missing mug in the first shot of the Nostromo computers first coming to life (switch angle to funky helmet with a knob on it, back to computer console and BLAM!  Coffee mug!) - not so much a blatant continuity error so much as it was just a shot that had to be done without any thought about "hey, where did this coffee mug come from?" or "why would the Falcon fly off to the left when there is a galaxy right in front of them"?

What most likely happened was that the Falcon model shot was done separately from the background plate, to the degree that when the Falcon model was shot they photographers probably didn't know what was going to be put into the blue screen behind it quite yet (or only had a concept drawing or written description).

Again, galaxy or forming star, I still consider that it would be more visually pleasing to the eye, make sense to the story elements (themes of separation, ie. showing the Falcon fly off to the left doesn't provoke as strong an emotional punch as seeing it fly directly away from us to possibly never be seen again) and fit logically to have the Falcon fly away from us as opposed to the left side of the screen (if this is done, another scene that can be used is when the Falcon is flying away from Cloud City right before it does an emmelman through the cloud to go back to get Luke.  The angle of the Falcon would be right, as it would be from a lower angle below the window Luke and Leia are looking out of). 

Regardless, I know I can only suggest.

I can say if you put some planets or moons that overlap a bit the new born star it will set the scale and that its not and sell the idea that its not a galaxy at the end.

-Angel

Even if it is a galaxy, it doesn't necessarily mean it's their galaxy. It could be the next closest one. Galaxies do collide once in a great while, so it very well could be about to happen there in a few hundred million years or so, and in the meantime they're getting closer and closer.

(then again, I suddenly realized I don't know how the size of an oncoming galaxy would appear differently from one side of your own to another... I wonder if being on the opposite side would make enough of a difference for us to not see it during the rest of the saga... hmmm)

But I agree it doesn't really matter. Just throwing out another possible explanation. I'd be very surprised if that background was changed.

And by the way, you've got mud on your knees.

Not only that, but I think we can steer away from it now, since it's obvious ady has already made up his mind on what it is, and what it should look like.

EDIT: How about keep it more in line with the first draft? No galaxy...

267 INT CORRIDOR - BUILDING

A lift opens. Leia, Luke, Lando, Threepio and Artoo get out and walk out onto a garden balcony rich with flowers. They stand waiting. The Falcon takes off, rising into the starry sky on a plume of flame. They watch it diminishing against the starry sky. We see their faces. The 'droids', Leia, with all her heart and soul in her eyes, watching the man she loves vanish into unknown dangers.  And Luke... older, wiser, and more humble about his shortcomings, still loving Leia, but in a different way. Abruptly he unsheathes the lightsaber and activates, holding it in a position of salute for the departing Falcon.

All we need to do is add some flowers and we're cool.

There is an other thing trying to keep the nostalgia/"how i saw it when i was 8"/classic-iconic moment and other trying to comunicate artistically and give to the audience something to bother.

The point is not this even can be explained scientificly but visually correct. Since ady stated that he is not gonna touch it for the first reasons then there you have it.

-Angel

I know, Angel, I was just being ridiculous, honestly.
I like the ending fine just the way it is, no matter what it is.
For all I care it's a giant black hole filled with popcorn, it still looks nice.

I just we'd drop the subject on the galaxy, and as others have said, try to come up with something that hasn't been discussed yet.
(If that's even remotely possible)       =)

I clicked on Bingowings' link to double o five's ROTJ wishlist again,
and ...

:: So why discuss it in this thread, where ROTJ is off-topic? Warned.

- M

EDIT: True. Apologies, Moth3r.

Haha, Bingowings, very funny :)
Ady, could we maybe get an update on current proceedings?
Perhaps on what scene you're editing as we speak, rather than acknowledging or contradicting things you will/aren't using? :)

Radi0n said:

Haha, Bingowings, very funny :)
Ady, could we maybe get an update on current proceedings?
Perhaps on what scene you're editing as we speak, rather than acknowledging or contradicting things you will/aren't using? :)

I'm working on the end rebel fleet scenes at the moment

Ady. At the Fleet shots Little ships in the background was like garbage elements similar to those the star destroyer throw up and nothing was clear. Was ever established what was these ships (models/ size etc)

Will you try to recreate them or adding the most known ships in larger numbers?

-Angel

I still think that last shot of the fleet is beautiful in its original incarnation and I'm sure Ady's will only enhance that. I particularly like seeing the lights in the ships being clearer. The SSD will be a nice sight too.

My interpretation:

1st image: A double copckit ship with the body of Tantive? Or Actualy we see the back of the ship and its something like the MF in the mc quarrie's concepts (the one that had One cockpit)

2nd image: A tantive something corvete with no of the 8 engines.

3rd image: The same ship from the 1st image in a different angle. Now reminds more the jedi cruiser in the start of TMP with 2 engines instead of 3.

4th image: A B-Wing? Or a unidentified ship in a weird angle?

5th image: This looks more like the Bug like ship that the separatists have. with the Big wing in the middle.

Any source confirms these as desings?

-Angel

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS. LUCAS DIDN'T TELL US, ADYWAN ISN'T CHANGING IT. ITS WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO BE.

Sorry, PSYCHODAV got control of me. But seriously, it's been discussed everyone.

This will stop the argument about whether it's a galaxy or a forming star....