Speaking about the galaxy at the end of ESB, I read somewhere that according to Leland Chee (I think it's him), what we see is actually the whole Star Wars galaxy, meaning the rebel fleet is massed outside it somehow.
What doesn't make sense with that is that we get to see a whole lot of stars in the background, yet since we're suppose to be outside of a galaxy, shouldn't there be only black void to be seen?
Isley said:
Speaking about the galaxy at the end of ESB, I read somewhere that according to Leland Chee (I think it's him), what we see is actually the whole Star Wars galaxy, meaning the rebel fleet is massed outside it somehow.
What doesn't make sense with that is that we get to see a whole lot of stars in the background, yet since we're suppose to be outside of a galaxy, shouldn't there be only black void to be seen?
Yeah that would make total sense, never thought of that before...good catch.
Wow after watching that movie hundreds of times in every manner possible in every version it still amazes me the things that are still being found...awsome.
Sorry. See below.
Well, you're correct about the source, Isley:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_galaxy#The_Empire_Strikes_Back_debate
At any rate, this never bothered me before, nor does it now.
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Wondering what kind of changes are going into that scene?
Maybe show more galaxies in the Star Wars universe maybe? Would broaden the scope of how far the empire reaches?
I kinda like the idea....after all I'm sure the Empire has it's dirty hand's all over the Star Wars universe but then again I may be delving into the EU and that's not where I want to be.
Anyhow it might be something for Ady to consider.....
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Ady said that shot looks like more like a birth of a star and not like a galaxy.
Witch reminds that if the shot stays it needs some re mastering.
If not you can have whatever it looks good for an ending. From a broken planet to a sunset behind an asteroid field. who knows
-Angel
Isley said:
Speaking about the galaxy at the end of ESB, I read somewhere that according to Leland Chee (I think it's him), what we see is actually the whole Star Wars galaxy, meaning the rebel fleet is massed outside it somehow.
What doesn't make sense with that is that we get to see a whole lot of stars in the background, yet since we're suppose to be outside of a galaxy, shouldn't there be only black void to be seen?
If you were outside a galaxy, you would still see what seem to be stars. But they would in fact be other galaxies that were far away.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
Angel
Please make a video of how you make your pictures. I have making lightsabers down...but you take it completly to another level.
TEACH ME
^If he won't even do it with text, what makes you think he would by video? :p Milton Bradley isn't the only one with a monopoly. Heh heh.
Totally off-topic but I just don't care... has anyone seen this? I thought it was great fun and the guys got Solo down pat...
The Solo Adventures (also available in 3D)
That is all.
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VincentSmalls said:
Totally off-topic but I just don't care... has anyone seen this? I thought it was great fun and the guys got Solo down pat...
The Solo Adventures (also available in 3D)
That is all.
Better than the "Clone Wars"! HEY-O!
Ok, but that guy does a pretty good Solo voice, if Ady every wants to replace any lines from the film, I think he knows who to call...
I always liked the galaxy backdrop at the end of empire. I think it is one of my favourite scenes in the trilogy. The rebels are being hunted with such determination that they are forced to hide at the very edge of the galaxy. Nowhere inside is safe for them.
It also gives the film a real epic feel to show the whole of the sw galaxy in the distance. In the booklet that came with "The Story of the Empire Strikes Back" vinyl LP (loved this as a kid), the backdrop was changed to a red nebula. Very attractive but not as awe inspiring as the entire galaxy.
I know I am a newbie here but can I make a plea that however you change this ending, keep it as the galaxy. When I was 11 years old the thought of my heroes out there at the edge of space just made my jaw drop when I saw it for the first time.
VincentSmalls said:
Totally off-topic but I just don't care...
The Solo Adventures (also available in 3D)
First of all, nice attitude. ;) Secondly, I made a thread for videos. (here)
But yeah, it's cool.
DarthXenu said:
The rebels are being hunted with such determination that they are forced to hide at the very edge of the galaxy. Nowhere inside is safe for them.
On the other hand, if it´s so easy, and apparently fast, for them to reach such regions of space, why not hide there in the first place? :) It almost make establishing a large base like the Hoth one pointless... :)
Who said it was easy or fast?
Marcos_Edson said:
DarthXenu said:
The rebels are being hunted with such determination that they are forced to hide at the very edge of the galaxy. Nowhere inside is safe for them.
On the other hand, if it´s so easy, and apparently fast, for them to reach such regions of space, why not hide there in the first place? :) It almost make establishing a large base like the Hoth one pointless... :)
Maybe they can't stay out there and build a big base because they need a nearby planet for oxygen, food or water etc so the edge of the galaxy is a last resort, like hiding in the desert.
However I don't think you should rely on logic too much when talking about star wars, This is the universe where the empire uses walkers when nukes would have done. I am not interested in an EU explanation of this, GL admitted it made no military sense but he thought (correctly IMHO) that the walkers looked cool.
Another example of bad logic/science: the falcon gets from the asteroid belt (presumably in the Hoth system) to Bespin despite having no hyperdrive. Even a nearby star would have taken years at <= light speed. Oh well I guess that gives Luke a decade or more of jedi training.
Or how about a cover over the exhaust port in ANH or some big gates in the tunnels in ROTJ? SW is fun and exciting but it's not science fiction. The x-wings and tie-fighters fly as if they are in an atmosphere and exploding space ships make a big noise. Not scientifically accurate but fun.
To be honest one of my most hated scenes in TPM was the scientifically accurate portrayal of the R2 units zooming around on the outside of Amidalas starship. There is no atmosphere so these guys should be able to move as shown (so long as the ship doesn't break/accelerate suddenly). But hang on, in star wars we expect to be given the feeling of speed because that's what makes it exciting. So it was quite out of character for GL to have this scene in. Even weirder, a few seconds later an R2 unit is shot and flys off into the distance!
BTW, since I am new here, I would like to say thanks Adywan. Mrs Xenu and myself watched ANH:Revisited for the first time last week and were blown away. Haven't watched SW in years as the SE crud just jars so badly with my fond memories of watching the originals as a kid on the big screen (opening day for all 3 at the Odeon in Liverpool).
We both loved the DS almost firing at the end. Generally I subscribe to the 'less is more' theory but your Battle of Yavin was superb.
You guys realize that being outside of a galaxy doesn't mean you don't see stars right? Other galaxies will appear to you as stars, so all the other stars you see in that final shot are just other galaxies.
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Asteroid-Man said:
You guys realize that being outside of a galaxy doesn't mean you don't see stars right? Other galaxies will appear to you as stars, so all the other stars you see in that final shot are just other galaxies.
Yeah, outside of a galaxy there are the regions of other galaxies..........if they were hiding outside the regions of the universe then they might see no other stars other than in front of them (but cosmologists have suggested that perhaps the universe is spherical so when you reach the extremities of the universe you will be looped back to the other side.......bit like discovering that the earth isn't flat)
For a quick explanation of this theory view here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQu_RRLbVDA
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vaderios said:
Ady said that shot looks like more like a birth of a star and not like a galaxy.
Witch reminds that if the shot stays it needs some re mastering.
If not you can have whatever it looks good for an ending. From a broken planet to a sunset behind an asteroid field. who knows
-Angel
I know we've had this discussion before waaay back in the thread, but I would like to see some modifications:
(1) if they are outside of the galaxy that the STAR WARS stuff happens in, the fleet could be put closer to the spiral arms while retaining the ability to tell it is a galaxy (to have the viewpoint we see in the movie, the rebel fleet would have to be 100s of lightyears away from the galaxy). If it is a star forming, maybe alter it slightly to indicate it is a star forming, as it looks exactly like a galaxy (maybe make the spiral arms more gaseous and amorphous, with the star looking more like this:
maybe take out the orange to keep the white-ish appearance).
In regards to other posts about the stars being other galaxies (if the galaxy IS a galaxy), also keep in mind that the light from the galaxy would wash out the ability to see any other stars/galaxies, so it would still appear black around the galaxy... IF it is a galaxy...
(2) probably my biggest beef is how the Falcon just zooms up and off to the left side of the screen. If it is the SW galaxy, wouldn't the Falcon fly towards the galaxy? If it is not the SW galaxy, wouldn't it still be more visually logical/pleasing to show the Falcon zooming off to the lower left (or simply zooming away slightly to the right in the same direction it was leaving the frigate, so we see more of the back as it heads directly away from us, as opposed to flying wonkily off to the side - ala the Falcon heading towards Yavin 4, after it goes under Yavin) then give the impression that the Falcon model is being pulled off the screen ala the Poochie cell in the SIMPSONS episode?
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I think Vaderios' mockup is probably the best choice. I don't want to see an exploding star or some other super spectacle to draw attention away from the characters.
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^^^ Agreed. It's a space fantasy and doesn't require explanation. The scene is beautiful and needs no tinkering.