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Originally posted by: AuggieBenDoggie
Heh, yes there were some UNNECESSARY SE additions in ESB, and no they were not really needed.


Which things do you talk about ? Yes, I remember one thing, Vader's shuttle arriving to the Death Star II - oops, I mean the Star Destroyer. Yes, that one WAS unnecessary. Also they screwed up the "window" in cloud city when Lando brings them to Vader (in one moment we see a window, in another shot we see a wall). I fully agree with the other changes, they improved the movie a lot.
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Originally posted by: astromech
. But please make sure Luke doesn't scream going down the exhaust shaft - he made a conscious decision to fall, so wouldn't be screaming in terror. He would have been at peace with his decision.


the scream was added to the 97 special editions, and then removed again for the 2004 DVD's , so it has already been fixed.

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Seems like a lot of fuss about the energy shield on Hoth. The way I see it it works like the one used during the Battle of Naboo : it is designed to prevent blaster bolt from penetrating it but can't stop something moving slowly to penetrate it. What ady could maybe add is some kind of effect (some sort of hue or glow, whatever works) on the surface of the AT-ATs right before they start firing, hinting the fact that they've just penetrated the shield and thus are now able to fire.

Also a very good point as been made earlier about how easily Luke escapes Hoth despite the imperial fleet, here's how maybe it can be worked around : we know that at least one cruiser as been disabled by the rebel Ion cannon, Ady could easily enough add a disabled star destroyer in the shot when Luke flies off the planet.
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Originally posted by: Isley
Seems like a lot of fuss about the energy shield on Hoth.


It's Ponda Baba's arm all over again.
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I have never heard of this problem till now.
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Originally posted by: Isley
Seems like a lot of fuss about the energy shield on Hoth.


It's Ponda Baba's arm all over again.



ROFL!

It's almost as bad as religious fanaticism.

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Originally posted by: RoccondilRinon
The impression I always got was that the shield was like a flat surface above the base; it protected the base from an aerial bombardment but it was possible to sneak under the edges at near-ground-level (ie. with walkers or speeders).


This is also the way I've always thought of it ever since I was a kid... the shield is aerial, to prevent bombardment from above. I never assumed it went all the way to the ground (thinking so is just the result of seeing the lame Gungan energy shield from Episode I). And as for why the AT-ATs were used, as General Veers explains to Vader:

"My lord, the fleet has moved out of light-speed. Com-Scan has detected an energy field protecting an area around the sixth planet of the Hoth system. The field is strong enough to deflect any bombardment."

Therefore, the Empire had to land beyond the reach of the shield and destroy it from the ground in order to allow the remaining Imperial forces (including Vader) to get to the base quickly.

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Now that this whole shield debate has come up, I admit it doesn't make very good sense. However, I've never thought about it until now. A gungan type of shield seems like the best option to me. If Adywan wants to give it a try, I think a shot of the AT-AT's as they pass through the shield would be great.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Now that this whole shield debate has come up, I admit it doesn't make very good sense. However, I've never thought about it until now. A gungan type of shield seems like the best option to me. If Adywan wants to give it a try, I think a shot of the AT-AT's as they pass through the shield would be great.

Yep, that's what I said above.
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Originally quoted by: Pittrek

Which things do you talk about ? Yes, I remember one thing, Vader's shuttle arriving to the Death Star II - oops, I mean the Star Destroyer. Yes, that one WAS unnecessary. Also they screwed up the "window" in cloud city when Lando brings them to Vader (in one moment we see a window, in another shot we see a wall). I fully agree with the other changes, they improved the movie a lot.


The whole new vader sequence and the arrival on the Star Destroyer, the line change during lukes visit to dagoba when R2 was spit out of the swamp monster "your lucky you got out of there". Some of the cloud city segments, one in particular where Leia, Lando Chewey are running down a hallway that was modified to show the exterior of the city. I could also go on to say that Temura Morrisons new voice over for boba fett was unnecessary also. Something about the accent that makes him not sound very serious. However there are some other additions I can live with.

Either you have a bad memory or you have never seen the originals enough to recognise all of the new additions. No offence to you of course.

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OK, second video:
There has been talk (here and the StarKiller thread) about adding the Death Star in some form to ESB.

Here's how I see it:
IF it's added, it can't just simply be added to a background shot. There needs to be an "Oh no!" moment for the audience.
The DS should just be one more thing that makes this movie dreadful for our heroes...ya know?
AND (IMHO) you can't show something as dreadful as the DS (at the beginning of the movie) and then expect the audience to kind of forget about it until ROTJ.

Sooooo....with all of that in mind, check out this video clip:

The Death Star in ESB...?

Comments?

P.S. Check out the other video I posted a couple of pages ago.....

SSWR’s YouTube channel

Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888

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Canonically, ROTJ takes place 1 year after ESB, so if you show the DS in it, I suggest doing so as an "epilogue" (think the epilogue that was created for the Darth Editous/ADM Hybrid edit of ANH) after the credits.

THAT would be cool, and would allow more freedom without making it all seem the same.


See, I was a bit worried with the Prequel music and Imperial march being added into ANH that we'd start to get sick of this stuff because it would all be in every movie now, instead of us experiencing more and new things as the episodes progress.
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Originally posted by: astromech
There is a more simpler explanation to why the AT-ATs came in from far away...

An aerial bombardment/ground assault would have been designed to weaken the shields sufficiently enough for them to pass through without having to destroy what was inside. Having the AT-ATs and AT-STs come in with guns blazing would have been part of this strategy - pound the defense till it's too weak to defend, then you can do as you wish. You can liken it to Germany's aerial bombing of London...it was all designed to weaken the enemy to the point of no fightback (they just hadn't factored everything in!)

Or you could just say the Imperials got a little lost and had to rely on their GPS systems to get them back ontrack...!

There isn't a massive amount I would change in ESB. The Emperor's communication with Vader should be reverted to the original dialogue. It ties in too much to handhold the viewer all the way to Vader's reveal. Yoda should remain as he is...if anything, he should be replaced in the rest of the movies! Minor bits can be cleaned up and tweaked, but it doesn't require much. Irvin Kerschner's direction and detail is much stronger than the rest of the trilogy. But please make sure Luke doesn't scream going down the exhaust shaft - he made a conscious decision to fall, so wouldn't be screaming in terror. He would have been at peace with his decision.



Except the dialog states that the shield is strong enough to withstand "any bombardment" (presumably that means they'd have to devastate the planet in order to get past the shield, which would end up killing the people they wanted to take prisoner, making it totally impractical).

Presumably if they'd come up far away, they wouldn't have been detected, and the original plan would have been to target the shield generator from orbit and take it out before the Rebels knew what was happening, then make the capture much easier (since they could use surgical strikes on key assets and prevent ships from escaping much more easily).

If the shields are strong enough to stop orbital bombardment from the Star Destroyer and other ships, it certainly would be more than enough to resist the weapons of the Imperial walkers that landed. Rather, the walkers can pass through the shield, being that they are small, slow moving objects (think the Gungan theater shields from Episode I, on a larger scale).
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Originally posted by: Kurgan
Canonically, ROTJ takes place 1 year after ESB, so if you show the DS in it, I suggest doing so as an "epilogue" (think the epilogue that was created for the Darth Editous/ADM Hybrid edit of ANH) after the credits.

THAT would be cool, and would allow more freedom without making it all seem the same.


See, I was a bit worried with the Prequel music and Imperial march being added into ANH that we'd start to get sick of this stuff because it would all be in every movie now, instead of us experiencing more and new things as the episodes progress.



What epilogue did he use? I am curious because I have never watched his edit.
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Ok, I'm starting to feel stupid for taking part in this ridiculous discussion, but...

[fanboy rant] I don't get the confusion over the shield generator on Hoth. The AT-ATs didn't have to contend with it because the shield exists ABOVE the Rebel base only, not at ground level. The starwars.com databank entry is pretty clear about it:

Ground-based installations use immense projectors to generate a deflector shield, like the one that protected the Rebel base on Hoth from orbital bombardment. This shield worked in both directions, however, and had to be lowered momentarily to allow the launching of evacuation ships. During the Battle of Hoth, Imperial ground craft landed beyond the shield perimeter, and marched over land to destroy the generators powering the shield.

Given this, I think any addition of a field effect for the walkers to go through would be not only unecessary, but just plain a bad idea. THERE'S NO SHIELD AT GROUND LEVEL. [/fanboy rant]

“It’s a lot of fun… it’s a lot of fun to watch Star Wars.” – Bill Moyers

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Here's an idea.
I noticed, Ady, that you added a lot of reflected light in your version of SW during the final battle.

One thing that always bugged me about the Luke/Vader duel in ESB is that it takes place in the dark yet the light sabers don't cast any light on them or their surroundings. I noticed that this was "fixed" in the prequels. Maybe you can make the light sabers cast light in the dark.

I made a quick Photoshop edit of how it might look like (keep in mind this is just a quick editing job) :

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9039/5406906km1.jpg
Original casting no light.

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9247/5406906copybn7.jpg
How it may look like with light sabers casting light.

Lemme know what you think?

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7906/lando62copywu5.th.jpg

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Originally posted by: corellian77

I don't get the confusion over the shield generator on Hoth. The AT-ATs didn't have to contend with it because the shield exists ABOVE the Rebel base only, not at ground level. The starwars.com databank entry is pretty clear about it:

Ground-based installations use immense projectors to generate a deflector shield, like the one that protected the Rebel base on Hoth from orbital bombardment. This shield worked in both directions, however, and had to be lowered momentarily to allow the launching of evacuation ships. During the Battle of Hoth, Imperial ground craft landed beyond the shield perimeter, and marched over land to destroy the generators powering the shield.

Given this, I think any addition of a field effect for the walkers to go through would be not only unecessary, but just plain a bad idea. THERE'S NO SHIELD AT GROUND LEVEL...


I'll start by saying that I agree with your point 100%. However, I must point out that the quote from the databank does not explicitly state that the shield doesn't go to the ground. The shield is most likely at its weakest at the extreme edges, meaning that vehicles and people can sneak in via the edge of the shield, thus explaining why it had to be shut down before Darth Vader could land near the rebel base.

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Originally posted by: Isley
Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Now that this whole shield debate has come up, I admit it doesn't make very good sense. However, I've never thought about it until now. A gungan type of shield seems like the best option to me. If Adywan wants to give it a try, I think a shot of the AT-AT's as they pass through the shield would be great.

Yep, that's what I said above.


I like this idea as well......AT-AT's briefly passing through the shields.
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i guess the rebels knew hoth would fall
and that shield projectors are versatile like "switch all power to front deflector screens" and "angle the shield while i charge up the main guns"

the rebels would have aimed the shields at the fleet and maybe overlapped them to present the strongest defense to bombardment
this would leave them vulneruble at ground level - they knew this hence they were ready for a land based assault
but they only needed time to evacuate

that ends the debate for me, i shall now attempt to get life
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IMHO by far the worst effect in the original film that takes you out and reminds you that you're watching a film is the treatment of Luke's severed hand. Of course they simply didn't have the technology to paint it out at the time so of course Mark Hamill just had to hold his hand up his sleeve. I really hope that something can be done about this most glaring of errors. Make that alteration to the 2004SE and ESB would be perfectly good IMO.



On the Hoth battle and energy shield, I always presumed that the shield was like the Gungans' huge shields - impenetrable by lasers etc, but slow-moving objects could move through without trouble. The only difference is that in ESB the shield is invisible - which is actually in keeping with all of the other energy shields in the OT, which are never seen. I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

On the notion of dropships, Adywan is right on the slow reveal to build up to the ATATs. However, would it not be possible to do a long shot of the Star Destroyer group as several dropships are launched (which would be tiny dots, really), and those dots arc towards the planet. It could be done in such a way that prolongs the "they're coming!" tension even further. Honestly, I'm just a sucker for all the space battle stuff, though, so the more of that fit in in any way will always get my vote!
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@SomethingStarWarsRelated re DS2 in TESB....

If Ady's plan was to do only the Original Trilogy, I'd say you might be on to something (though obviously Tarkin would have to be painted out or replaced).

However since he is doing the entire Saga, I think this scene should remain in Sith.
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SomethingStarWarsRelated,

I checked out your DSII clip. That scene from ROTS might work in some way, but its placement there is confusing. Vader walks off a bridge, wipe, Vader walks on a bridge. Is it the same bridge? Has time passed? If some other scene can be inserted inbetween, it might transition better.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?